posted September 07, 2008 09:40 PM         

Surely each person can relate in some way to each description of the zodiac signs, I know I can.

So what if, in reality, we are all of them?

As David Icke comically put it....the voice that spoke to him during his Ayhuasca experience- asked him if he though The Infinite sat down to have its horoscope read. We are all infinite. We are all of them....all of the zodiac signs.

Because when we read the description of our sign or our natal chart, because we believe in it, even at some level, could it simply be a self fulfilling prophecy? That we start to act like it, more and more?

Before anybody gets ready to chastise me, please allow me to confess.... I have not made my mind up yet.

posted September 07, 2008 10:06 PM         

Is it an illusion in the manner of a SFP?
Yes, If you keep reading about it, start thinking it then it will become real.

Is it not real? No, its very real.

posted September 07, 2008 10:17 PM         

And if I think astrology is not an illusion, then it is not an illusion UNLESS your thought is less than the critical mass of the collective's thoughts that think that astrology is an illusion.

one can even say, as it has been said, that history is written by the victors which means that truth is decided by those who have more energy more power than you, the critical mass of thought to over throw your thought.

posted September 07, 2008 10:25 PM         

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one can even say, as it has been said, that history is written by the victors which means that truth is decided by those who have more energy than you, the critical mass of thought to over throw your thought.

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I think I understand what you are saying however in relation to the bit that I quoted above from you, I think that critical mass may have something else that creates it. I think there is something like "luck" the more that I think about it. Not sure how to define "luck", an extremely positive coincidence? I was quite neutral as to what luck is, however the older I get, the more I think it exists.

For example (pretty dumb I know):
Duran Duran versus Japan. Two bands very similar style. Duran Duran seems to have heavily borrowed from Japan. Japan started as a glam rock band and by 1980 they were thought to have produced the first new wave record. Why is Duran Duran remembered and Japan not? Duran Duran you might argue are better. However, I think Japan might be better because they might be seen as more innovative and artistic. Duran Duran succeeded because they were at the right place at the right time, they released their first record in 1981 and everyone was ready for new wave by then. That is luck I think. I've also seen it happen in my own life. So in relation to victors, critical mass might determine the history of what is written but critical mass involves luck*. Likewise, belief in astrology might require luck.

Sorry, I'm a bit off topic there.

posted September 07, 2008 10:39 PM         

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posted September 07, 2008 10:44 PM         

So back to the astrology...you say belief will require luck?
You kind of mean coincidence and chance of getting a few things correct? A few things happen and that makes it real?

posted September 07, 2008 10:57 PM         

what about Jupiter? Wait. I hate it when my mind does this because I'm being silly now. Could LTT mean that there are no planets out there and that Nasa aka the machines, made all that stuff up to keep us entertained while they harvest our energy Matrix style? Or are we talking about the Einstein thing of molecules being where we expect them to be?

posted September 07, 2008 11:15 PM         

As for what time is, well that's a continuum of the 4th dimension. As to what it is to the average individual, it allows the development of events in the future and memories of the past and life for the living to occur now. Not sure.

posted September 07, 2008 11:23 PM         

I mean... Time is an illusion if astrology is an illusion, unless it is not of course, depending on how the individual defines what "real".is . 23, you are saying that x and y are the 2 planes of horizontal and vertical and -y the third plane... and time is another physical plane? If so, and I ask because I have no idea, where does z sit since time is not linear?

posted September 07, 2008 11:28 PM         

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Time is an illusion if astrology is an illusion

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Yes, because everything is or nothing is. I said to Kick it that time is a by-produce measurement of astrology but astrology wouldn't work if there is no time. If there is no time, planets can't move. There wouldn't be things such as transits, progressions, aspects, planets in signs/houses etc etc.

Best way to see it is this way:
x - length
y - height
z - depth
These are the three physical planes.

posted September 08, 2008 01:04 AM         

time is just relative. It's our perspective of time that allows us to have astrology because matter is dense. If matter vibrated faster than the speed of light for example we'd be born at the same time we die because we would be moving so fast that we aren't moving.
When everything experientially happens at once.

So wouldn't you say that it is not the time that gives us astrology but instead it's our vantage point that allows us to see time as we do, within our space time continuum?

posted September 08, 2008 01:40 AM         

So, I agree with 23 when she said that if astrology is an illusion, everything and that which isn't everything is also an illusion.

you asked whether astro was accurate. I say it isn't and it shouldn't be because if it is accurate we would relinquish our power to create as created creators that we are. So, astro is a guide to show you, probable outcomes to the choices you have made, knowingly or not. If you see astro as definite, then you are seeing an illusion or a shadow of what astro should be, not real astrology.

posted September 08, 2008 02:28 AM         

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time is just relative. It's our perspective of time that allows us to have astrology because matter is dense. If matter vibrated faster than the speed of light for example we'd be born at the same time we die because we would be moving so fast that we aren't moving.
When everything experientially happens at once.

So wouldn't you say that it is not the time that gives us astrology but instead it's our vantage point that allows us to see time as we do, within our space time continuum?

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Well yes, we are moving at such slow speed in relation to the the speed of light that time does not bend. Time is bent or slowed down if we move closer to the speed of light, time becomes relative. As to what happens when we do travel at the speed of light, no one really know I think (or that was my memory). Does it stop? Does it go backwards if we go faster? No one really knows, we're really not in any position to know, our technology can't match that, the fastest jet is nowhere near what the speed of light can do.

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Also, I can't see time as the 4th dimension because the entity which we call time was around at 2d just as it exists now in our 3d reality. It's that thing which was there before it all and that which shall remain when all implodes. It's the first cause, the Alpha and Omega and That's why Aristotle called it the Unmoved Mover - that's where my username comes from btw. so, time can't be the 4th dimension. It's the matrix that is in between matter but that which isn't matter. That's why time really doesn't matter.

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Maybe time isn't the fourth, maybe time isn't but from basic physics time always is! Maybe what you are saying is that energy is mass by saying matrix between the matter. Energy = mass (defect) x speed of light squared. Energy is independent of time as such. Time is another dimension as is the physical planes. Energy exists in these planes but is not a dimension as such.

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you asked whether astro was accurate. I say it isn't and it shouldn't be because if it is accurate we would relinquish our power to create as created creators that we are. So, astro is a guide to show you, probable outcomes to the choices you have made, knowingly or not. If you see astro as definite, then you are seeing an illusion or a shadow of what astro should be, not real astrology.

and yes, when you get an accurate prediction or summation of a person's character through astro, most of it or at least half of it was your doing, you instincts and you contributed even if subconsciously. .

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posted September 08, 2008 02:34 AM         

Like for me:
Gemini rules my body, my outer mask, my ability to wound or be wounded
Cancer rules my material values (and my progressed body)
Leo rules my expression
Virgo rules my family & home and sense of security
Libra rules my emotions and how i relate to children, creativity, and how i like to be romanced
Scorpio rules my ability to transform and health
Sagittarius rules how i relate to others, the type of person I'm looking for, my sense of responsibility and rebellion, and my energy drive
Capricorn rules how i relate to death, the occult, my idealism and group values
Aquarius rules my ego, my thought process, how i relate to the law
Pisces rules how i relate to the public, how I like to give and receive love
Aries rules how i relate to friends, and my capacity for luck
Taurus rules my inner most psychology

posted September 08, 2008 03:26 AM         

We're all going to filter things differently based on the way we see the world. Compare a therapist who works exclusively with talk therapy versus a therapist who uses body-work versus another one who focuses more so on regression work: all of them are likely helping people, even though the method by which they help their clients is different. The point is, does it work for these people? If it does, then it's really just a difference in methodology.

Further, the manner in which the clients themselves come to their own epiphanies and transform on a personal level, in part due to their therapy, will be different even if they are seeking help from the same therapist. Ultimately, we're all working on figuring the same things out, we just get there in our own unique ways, in our own time.