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Topic: Case study SM - Brosnan and Keely Smith
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Diandra23 Knowflake Posts: 2240 From: portugal Registered: Mar 2007
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posted September 11, 2008 04:55 PM
One of these days i was looking at a magazine and this couple appeared in an interview and he said sth like this:"Cassandra ( his ex-wife who died from Cancer disease in his arms one day after their 11TH Wedding Aniversary)will always be a part of my being adn heart (...). My marriage with Keely stabilizes me". They are one of the most happiest celebrity couples i know and i thought it would be interesting to look at their charts together. Also maybe with Cassandra´s chart if i´ll ever find her birth data. Here it is: her birth time is unknowned so disregard her Moon and Angles but look at this:
- his SUN cj her Moon/Jup 0ª - her Sun trine his Jup - DW Trine his NN - his MOON cj her ISIS - her MOON cj his Merc/jupiter - Venus in trine - her VENUS hits his PLUTO/AC - POWERFULL - his KIRON trine her Moon/Merc/jup/Pluto/MC -Her KIRON trine his Moon/URANUS magi Would be very excietd with this! - his VX cj her Antivertex - fated - his VX cj her Amor - beautiful They have a DW on Karma/Sun oposition Also their karmas are in trine his AMOR cj her ISIS - beautiful one over here too: he loves her like if she was his ideal wife/woman! her Amor trine his Osiris - so here she also loves in him his ideal husband image. Their UNION´s are in trine too.. her ISIS cj his Anti-VX - again a hintof probable past life lovers. What It strikes me most is that their Saturns dont have many aspects though - what stabilizes them?? IP: Logged |
Diandra23 Knowflake Posts: 2240 From: portugal Registered: Mar 2007
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posted September 11, 2008 05:31 PM
DRACOSMany times it is in here that the most important conections are "hidden" , so let´s see what appears: DRACO TO DRACO Sun´s in same sign -hER Sun/Union cj his Merc/Osiris/Juno - her VENUS cj his KARMA - here it is! - her VX falls into his 7H and her ISIS cj his DSC : again she is his ISIS - her Osiris/Moon/Jup falls into his 5th - his Moon/Amor cj her JUNO/KARMA - His Pluto/AC/Valentine cj her AMOR! AND note that this is only the conjunctions. IP: Logged |
Diandra23 Knowflake Posts: 2240 From: portugal Registered: Mar 2007
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posted September 11, 2008 06:03 PM
DRACO TO NATALSHIS D.Sun cj her VX HIS D.KIRON cj her IC HIS D JUNO cj her ISIS - she is his Isis HIS D.JUNO opose her AMOR - love again! HIS D.KARMA cj her MOON/Jup HIS D.KARMA opose her KARMA HIS D.UNION cj her MARS his D.ISIS cj her MARS his D.OSIRIS cj her NN - again the hint that he is his destinned husband! HIS D.AC cj her 5thCusp! HIS D.MC cj her NN HER D.SUN cj his MOON - ying and yang blend here... HER D.SUN also cj his AMOR! HER D.MOON wide conj his DSC- bu i would count it by seing this amazing conections!
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Diandra23 Knowflake Posts: 2240 From: portugal Registered: Mar 2007
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posted September 11, 2008 06:04 PM
HER D.MOON exact opose his Valentine HER D. VENUS cj his SUN and JUNO -im not surprised here afterall.. HER D.MARS cj his OSIRIS - love planets blending with SM asteroids..beautiful! HER D.JUP exact opose his VAlentine HER D.kiron CJ his 5thCusp HER D.VX cj his VENUS - HER D.VX also opose his Saturn HER D.valentine wide cj his AC - i would count this also! HER D.KARMA cj his VALENTINE! HER D. AMOR opose his VENUS HER D.UNION cj his MOON and AMOR HER D.ISIS cj wide his VENUS - yup count this too! HER D.IC cj his 5thCuspnow really..what do you think???There arent coincidences in this world: as far as i am seeing...LOVE DOES TRANSCEND TIME AND SPACE!!! IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted September 11, 2008 06:09 PM
WOWwould be amazing to see their composite chart, don't you think? IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted September 11, 2008 06:21 PM
Diandra,What do you think about someone's natal vertex opposing exact the draco NN of another? Would it count? It intrigues me seeing as the draco point (the foundation of the draco chart) is such a karmic point? IP: Logged |
Diandra23 Knowflake Posts: 2240 From: portugal Registered: Mar 2007
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posted September 11, 2008 06:47 PM
that would mean that one´s antiVx cj the other´s Draco NN.One of these days DD told me that dracos do not only have meaning in the past but also in the present (afterall NN points to present,and not past)so, i would see your conection as probably fated. You can also look at other planets and asterois that conects to fate and karma,just to see if the pattern appears Try to see Union/Destinn/nodes/Saturn/Karma IP: Logged |
darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 12, 2008 07:24 AM
Diandra, may I ask you a favour? I really like your interpretations a lot (you really speak in a way that highly resonates with me. ) and I wondered if you could have a look at the synastry with that guy and me? I fear I am too much involved emotionally to see it clearly myself. But I really would like to hear your take on us. What is going on there? I list the tropical positions first and the Draconics next. my chart Sun: 26° Sagittarius / 16° Aries moon: 17° Aquarius / 07° Gemini Mercury: 25° Sagittarius / 15° Aries Venus: 06° Capricorn / 26° Aries Mars: 05° Sag / 25° Pisces Jupiter: 11° Pisces / 01 Cancer Saturn: 17 Cancer / 07 Scorpio uranus: 01 Scorpio / 21 Aquarius Neptune: 10 Sagittarius / 30 Pisces Pluto: 09 Libra / 29 Capricorn NN: 10 Sagittarius ASC: 07 Sag / 27 Pisces IC: 05 Aries / 25 Cancer Vertex: 21 Cancer / 11 Scorpio Chiron : 20 Aries / 10 Leo Ceres: 09 Pisces / 29 Gemini Juno: 17 Pisces / 7 Cancer karma: 16 Gemini / 6 Libra Destinn: 23 Cancer / 13 Scorpio Union: 30 Libra / 19 Aquarius Valentine: 27 Scorpio / 17 Pisces Amor: 2 Sag / 21 Pisces Eros: 21 Cancer 7 11 Scorpio Psyche: 24 Aquarius / 14 Gemini isis: 08 Capricorn / 28 Aries osiris: 08 Capricorn / 28 Aries Lilith: 28 Aquarius / 18 Gemini 5th cusp: 2 Taurus / 22 Leo 8th cusp: 13 Cancer / 03 Scorpio 12th cusp: 21 Scorpio / 11 Pisces IP: Logged |
darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 12, 2008 07:36 AM
his chart:Sun: 27 Sagittarius / 25 Cancer Moon: 28 Sagittarius / 27 Cancer Mercury: 09 Sagittariu / 08 Cancer Venus: 26 Capricorn /24 Leo mars: 11 Virgo/ 09 Aries Jupiter: 10 Virgo / 08 Aries Saturn: 26 Virgo / 25 Aries Uranus: 23 Scorpio / 22 Gemini Neptune: 20 Sagittarius / 19 Cancer Pluto: 21 Libra / 20 Taurus NN: 02 Virgo ASC: 23 Pisces / 22 Libra IC: 28 Gemini / 26 Capricorn Vertex: 27 virgo / 26 Aries Chiron: 09 Taurus / 08 Sagittarius Ceres: 07 Aries / 05 Scorpio Juno: 27 Cancer / 26 Aquarius Karma: 03 Libra / 02 Taurus Destinn: 06 Libra / 04 Taurus Union: 29 libra / 28 Taurus Valentine: 19 Scorpio / 18 Gemini Amor: 09 Virgo / 07 Aries Eros: 8 Pisces / 07 Libra Psyche: 25 Aquarius / 24 Virgo Isis: 09 Gemini / 08 Capricorn Osiris: 05 Aries / 04 Scorpio Lilith: 28 Leo / 27 Pisces 5th cusp: 15 Cancer / 13 Aquarius 8th cusp: 13 Scorpio / 11 Gemini 12th cusp: 08 Aquarius / 06 Virgo IP: Logged |
Lara Knowflake Posts: 3274 From: London Registered: Mar 2006
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posted September 12, 2008 09:10 AM
ok l looked and quite interesting... his karma and union are all over my stellium!his sun conj my destinn his kaali opp my union my karma conj his uranus/destinn my NN conj his chiron/jupiter His karma opp my moon/venus/saturn/NN/osiris his destinn opp my sun/mercury his destin conjunct my juno/karma his SN conj my mars/isis/union his AC conj my karma his dr destinn conj my dr chiron/AC his dr destinn opp my dr vertex his dr union conj my dr sun/mercury his dr union opp my dr juno/karma my dr destinn opp his dr moon my dr union opp my dr vertex my dr karma opp his dr neptune/union his dr sun conjunct my n mars/union/isis his dr NN conjunct my n chiron his dr nn opp my n vertex his dr vertex conjunct my n juno/karma his dr union conjunct my nn moon/venus/saturn/nn his dr karma opp my n jupiter my dr karma opp his n jupiter my dr sun opp his n karma my dr juno conjunct his n karma my dr destinn opp his n vertex my dr union opp his n destinn my dr karma conjunct his n karma I tell you one thing Diandra, l really feel like i'm going to end up being with this one for life... don't ask me why The karma/union/destinn/SN aspects are pretty amazing though, would you agree?
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Diandra23 Knowflake Posts: 2240 From: portugal Registered: Mar 2007
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posted September 12, 2008 06:12 PM
DD and LARAi will look at it tomorrow with all my attention i feel flatered by your nice requests Nighty Night IP: Logged |
darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 13, 2008 06:05 AM
Thank you so much, Diandra. And don`t feel too flattered, because it was pure honesty on my part. You really have become great in interpreting those connections and seeing the pattern that emerge. And as a SAg with Jupiter in 3rd house seeing something like this just makes my heart sing. IP: Logged |
Diandra23 Knowflake Posts: 2240 From: portugal Registered: Mar 2007
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posted September 13, 2008 09:31 AM
DDhere it goes,tell me if sth resonated with you then: i would pick up these ones: NATALS 1st yours: sun cj sun – both naturally blend with ech other with similar ways of being sun cj moon – your goals and life purpose it´s in affinity with his emotions and needs sun cj MC – Glaucus says even the MC it´s all about our inside Self so this one says that you really understand and support the othet´s deep self Saturn CJ 5THCusp – you stabilize the other´s 5th issues: fun,creativity,romance… Pluto cj Destinn – transformational and power struggles issues related to fatedness SN cj Isis – I have been seeing that he is your ISIS many times hihihihi AC cj Merc – communication will flow easily between you,no place for misunderstandings here DC cj ISIS – see? It seems that he has a very strong feminine side that attracts your need for a partner. Ceres cj Eros – hmmm you give nurturing when he is erotic! Juno cj AC – he might see in you the natural committed partner. Destinn cj juno – another pattern emerging see? Karma and fate relating with marriage. Union cj Union – could be generacional but as I see a pattern here I would accept this as well. Eros cj Juno – your erotic energie is the ideal for him when he thinks of his committed partner Psych cj Psyche – through yourselves and the other,you find and accept the totality of your being:mind,spirit and soul. Psych cj Lilith – by you delving into yourself,you awake in him the lilithian sides. Here I can see the pattern cause when he is your Isis,he is also feminine,and here he becomes more “ Lilithian” Lilith cj Psyche – DW -now it´s the contrary
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Diandra23 Knowflake Posts: 2240 From: portugal Registered: Mar 2007
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posted September 13, 2008 09:32 AM
DRACO DRACOVenus cj Saturn – past life relationship? He gave loyalty,compromise and seriousness while you gave him love true and simple. Venus cj AC – here comes another pattern: besides of sharing mutual tastes,you identify with his self-image and his self.worth in enhanced by you. Venus cj VX 0 – no wonder this appears hihih : a love planet again mixed with fate. Saturn cj Ceres – while he gives (gave)nurturing,you gave stability. Seems that it was a very nurtured relationship. Pluto cj IC – it´s powerful in a way that you might force him to transform his own deepest Self- but might be also painful? AC cj Lilith – again Lilith here: Lilith shows the true anima/animus of our true self.so his will affect you deeply. DSC cj Psyche – you can represent for him (through your image of his natural partner) his entrance to his deepest Self,comprehending his body,mind and soul. IC cj Sun – His will and self-expression stir up your roots.means(meant) strong emocional and family ties with each other. IC cj MC – powerful simply by showing a conj of the axis Juno oppose Ísis – again he is Ísis – and conected to a partner: You Karma cj Eros – the erotic relationship is a fated one. Karma oppose Amor – again..a love asteroid relates to Fate.He is your image of Love. Psyche cj Valentine – through his true love you find your entrance to your own Self Ísis/Osíris cj Saturn and VX – your balanced energies of masculine/feminine, also your image of ideal wife are indeed his Path,connected not only into the Present but also the Past. Lilith cj Valentine – through his love he awakens in you your Anima. IP: Logged |
Diandra23 Knowflake Posts: 2240 From: portugal Registered: Mar 2007
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posted September 13, 2008 09:35 AM
DRACO TO NATALMoon cj Isis – your emotional world is connected to his feminine energie.did you ever throught about a past life when he was the woman and you the man? Venus cj Pluto – passionate sexual attraction.the intensity don’t pass through time,but grows. Through spiritual struggle and transformation, uncondicional love can be awaken. He might experience a complete transformarion about his attitudes on Love Pluto cj Venus – DW WOWOOO DSC cj Saturn – another past life hint for a relationship between you! AC cj AC - no need to say that this his a proof that you are connected through times and space. ASC moves so fast..what are the odds of this? IC cj Juno – have this with JOnh. He is committed (deep inside uncousnciously) to oyour deepest core. AntiVX cj Kiron – healing issues also related with fate. Karma cj karma – do you want more conections than this? Karma cj Destinn – no need to say that it´s again fated conections and paths Karma opose Osíris – the 1st one where he is your Osíris.Maybe i tis saying that now in the present he might be your true destined husband Destinn cj 8thCusp – 8th issues are also part of the karma you both have with each other Amor opose Saturn – past life relationship, connected onto this one Amor cj AC - you are enamored of the way he presents himself to the world. EROS CJ 8thCusp – spicy Isis/Osiris oppose Union – again, soulmate spouses connected onto an Union (past and present) Lilith cj IC – your anima,dark side of Lilith hits his deepest core. 12th Cj eros – again,as 12th states for past life, eros erotic energies were a focus on your relationship.
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darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 13, 2008 02:50 PM
Thank you a LOT. I`m at my parents` at the moment, but will give you a feedback once I am back home. But I`m really impressed.
HOwever, is there a reason you didn`t compare his Draco planets to my natal planets? IP: Logged |
Diandra23 Knowflake Posts: 2240 From: portugal Registered: Mar 2007
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posted September 14, 2008 04:19 PM
Yes there is...i forgot! hihihiDRACO TO NATAL HIS Sun/Moon cj your VX - more hints torwards that he is your destiny sUN/mOON cj your Destinn - fated person to you Venus opose Psyche - thourgh his venusian wasy of love,awakens your body mind and soul Mars/Jup cj IC - he might push you forward and at the same time making you feel good about yourself. Saturn opose Union - 2 "karma"conected MC cj VX/Eros AntiVX cj Union - more hints for karma together kiron cj asc - he heals you Juno cj Lilith - by seing and living his ideal husband,he awakens in you the deeper sides of Lilith Juno cj Psyche - and also your deep Self as a woman. karma/Destinn cj 5thCusp - house of romance,fun and sex linked to him! Valentine cj KARMA - favorite one! Amor cj IC - this is very seet - he adores your deepest self Eros cj Pluto - must be a very powerful atraction,full of intensity ISIS cj YOUR OSIRIS/ISIS! - again he his the Feminine energie of ideal wife who combines your ideal image of man, i can think about apast life where you had diferent genders all right
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darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 15, 2008 12:21 PM
Thank you, Diandra, I like your interpretations a lot. "sun cj moon – your goals and life purpose it´s in affinity with his emotions and needs" Why my goals? I always thought Sun is more the way you are or express yourself, and goals would be the MC.
" cj Isis – I have been seeing that he is your ISIS many times hihihihi" Yes, it is quite notable, isn`t it?
"AC cj Merc – communication will flow easily between you,no place for misunderstandings here" This one becomes even more beautiful, if you remember that Mercury is his DSC and IC-ruler. So what he seeks in a partner (DSC-ruler) combines with my personal expression and identity (ASC) - I think this may be my favourite. "Ceres cj Eros – hmmm you give nurturing when he is erotic!"# Interesting enough my name asteroid in his chart is also conjunct his Eros (and my chartruler in my chart) - this might imply that my energy (chartruler, name in his chart) trigger his Eros, or what do you think?
BTW a LOT of men have my name asteroid in Pisces. Paul also had that, actually on the very same degree, even though both men are like 17 years apart! And my Draco name in my own chart opposes this degree. Andy interestingly has my name astroid in Sagittarius, where my Sun, Mercury, Mars, ASC and NN are located. "Juno cj AC – he might see in you the natural committed partner." Not complaining.
"Destinn cj juno – another pattern emerging see? Karma and fate relating with marriage." Definitely not complaining here. "Union cj Union – could be generacional but as I see a pattern here I would accept this as well." No, it is a fast moving asteroid, but there are some asteroids like Union, Psyche and Adonis, who need 5 years to complete the zodiac-circle, and as we are exactly 5 years apart, Psyche, ADonis and Union are conjunct in our charts. Actually they are even interconnected, as the Adonis- conjunctions are trine to the Psyche-conjunctions. Both are sextile to the Sun - conjunctions. And the Union-conjunctions are pretty close to our Adonis-Adonis-conjunction (and we also have Adonis-Venus and Adonis-Aphrodite in the Draco, spellbound are we, I guess. WEll at least one of us is. ).
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darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 15, 2008 12:47 PM
EDIT: I checked the composite with some people for fun to see where my name is located, and it seems to be pretty often in Pisces or Aries!Paul: 12°51 Aries (conjunct my own Part of Reincarnation and Draco Sun) Andy: 01°10 Pisces colleague of mine: 13°09 Aries Jude: 08°19 Pisces (on the very same degree my nameasteroid is in Paul`s and Patrick`s natal! ) Patrick: 13°04 Aries my Dad: 14°17 Pisces In my synastry with women or friends my name in the composite often lands in Cancer, Taurus or even Leo.
An Email friend: 1°26 Taurus In our composite, Diandra: 5°44 Leo (we share a 1° Sun-VEnus-conjunction in Scorpio in 12th house btw) my middle brother: 29°31 Cancer my best friend: 14°44 Cancer my youngest brother: 05°04 Leo my best friend`s husband: 01°08 Cancer my mum: 24°26 Taurus I am FASCINATED!
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darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 15, 2008 01:51 PM
"Venus cj VX 0 – no wonder this appears hihih : a love planet again mixed with fate." I LOVE that aspect."Saturn cj Ceres – while he gives (gave)nurturing,you gave stability. Seems that it was a very nurtured relationship." This is actually a theme, isn`t it? I mean after all his Ceres is also conjunct my IC, and my Draco Ceres conjuncts his IC. Of course I`d rather have t he allconsuming, hotblooded, I-rip-your-clothes-off-your-body-the-minute-I-see-you, passionate aspects. But somehow it`s sweet to have these caring nurturing constellations, too. I actually can feel it, you know? In a strange way, ever since I met him, I`ve begun to care for myself. Which I have never done before, at least not for my physical self. But somehow he made me realize (don`t ask me how he did this!), that my body is a complete stranger to me, and t hat I`m only waiting for it to desert me, and this has started to change. I`ve become more aware of my physical being and as I said, started to care, instead of ignore it. "Pluto cj IC – it´s powerful in a way that you might force him to transform his own deepest Self- but might be also painful?" Jip, probably. Especially if you see the whole configuration of my Draco Pluto / DR MC conjunct his natal Venus / Siva and Draco IC, opposing his Draco Sun / Draco Moon and natal Juno. I guess there must have been some powerplays in a previous life. And yes, painful for him probably. I hope he is not scared of me now.
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darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 15, 2008 01:52 PM
"AC cj Lilith – again Lilith here: Lilith shows the true anima/animus of our true self.so his will affect you deeply." This conjunction has actually an orb of 0.00. So if Lilith is his anima, and ASC is who I am or at least the part that is very visible to others, do I represent his dark anima to him? "Karma cj Eros – the erotic relationship is a fated one." Hope so.
"Lilith cj Valentine – through his love he awakens in you your Anima." Yes, he made me a lot more aware of me as a "female being" than I was before, just because he looked at me and treated me as if I actually was a woman, which I am of course; just I never noticed that others might see me as a woman, too, and not as a brain on legs. IP: Logged |
darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 15, 2008 02:10 PM
"Moon cj Isis ¡V your emotional world is connected to his feminine energie.did you ever throught about a past life when he was the woman and you the man?" Yes, that is a possiblity I think. At least my soul has some rather masculine traits, even though I identify with the feminine principle (or maybe most with the intellectual principle). But hey I have Sun, ASC in Sagittarius in 1st house; Mars ocnjunct ASC. Moon in Aquarius, and only Venus in a female sign, Capricorn (which is not too soft either). I also have Venus in 1st house, Moon in 2nd house and dominant Neptune,s o it seems to be balanced. But still there are some dominant yang traits. Maybe that is the reason I feel drawn to rather feminine men, even gay men?Also, it is noteable that in my synastries my masculine planets are often involved in strong aspects. Just look at Patrick and my synastry. My Sun conjunct his Moon. My Mars solstice conjunct his Venus. But there is still another way to interprete those aspects to his Isis. Isis in a man`s chart is his spiritual anima, it shows which qualities he needs in a woman for her to be his soulmate-partner, his female counterpart. Now, if I have Moon conjunct his Isis, I express exactly those traits he needs in a spiritual union, just that I express them as a natural part of myself, a part of my core identity, which in a way makes me HIS Isis. I even seem to represent his Isis in a more partnership-oriented, even sexual context, as my Venus is conjunct his Isis. I am also his Kaali, as his Kaali conjuncts my ASC almost exactly. Now interprete THAT! Please. "Venus cj Pluto ¡V passionate sexual attraction.the intensity don¡¦t pass through time,but grows. Through spiritual struggle and transformation, uncondicional love can be awaken. He might experience a complete transformarion about his attitudes on Love Pluto cj Venus ¡V DW WOWOOO" Yip, but the second one is an opposition and I think it is 4¢X wide, but still not bad, not bad at all.
"AC cj AC ļ - no need to say that this his a proof that you are connected through times and space. ASC moves so fast..what are the odds of this?" How were the odds please, that I would meet yet ANOTHER Pisces ASC guy? I mean Paul has Pisces ASC, my brother has pisces ASC, my Dad has Virgo ASC, almost every actor I like has Pisces or Virgo ASC. How coincidental can that be?
(Andy doesn`t have PIsces - Virgo though, he has Aries - ASC). Why do I mention Paul and Andy so often once again? Well, it just feels that this is all interconnected in a way, that I just can`t comprehend.
But you remember, how Paul`s and Andy`s and my charts (or rather the important aspects of it) just fit into each other like pieces of a jigsaw.
Patrick though, is different, which enthralls me quite a bit. His chart on top of mine emphasiszes different things. Actually I have never met anyone, who emphasized THOSE spots in my chart. My Sun-Mercury conjunction has always been ignored by others personal planets, but he just bombards it. It`s fascinating to reintegrate a seemingly lost part of my personality. (BTW my Mum did aspect it by her Moon - through a square, and I never felt that it was welcomed when I expressed my enthusiastic, more energetic side)
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