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Topic: Fatalism and Black & White
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 14, 2008 07:51 PM
 
...are my two major concerns with what I see in practicing astrologers. I admit it has bothered me a lot recently seeing other members on this website give the perception to me that charts are fatal and we are boxed in them. Also I'm a bit tired of seeing things described as "good" and "bad" (eg trine - good, square bad; air people have no feelings). People have to get out of this rigid thinking. Having a difficult chart does not mean its the end of the world. Having good aspects does not mean that you get everything you want. I think astrology might give clues but does not give the ultimate solution. There are things that occur in life that are beyond astrology. Life is a continuum as I have mentioned that is very hard for us human pea brains to understand. I think we look for certain things in charts to make them "fit" into our experiences. I've never been sure if I believe in astrology, now I'm starting to feel rather annoyed by the whole discipline but I know I will keep on pursuing it because I get off the mind games I can play with it (with myself) and I'm kind of stuck in my life with nothing else to do at the moment.... End rant. EDIT - for those that want to use astrology, t-saturn is making a t-square with my mars-neptune (3rd/8th) opposition. IP: Logged |
LadyNeptune
Knowflake Posts: 419
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posted September 14, 2008 08:26 PM
I agree with a lot of what you said. Some astrologers can be so uppity when reading charts. They go with every cook book sterotype and it annoys me at times. Sometimes I don't know if I believe in astrology anymore, but I think it's fun. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
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posted September 14, 2008 08:33 PM
Lady Neptune - Yeah its fun but it's believable as much as anything. I guess this also ties in with the "hooker" comment which you made on the 10th house thread, there's multiple ways of interpreting as well in astrology. 10th house moon can mean a myriad of things (as we both kind of pointed out).IP: Logged |
Seeing Stars 7.21
Knowflake Posts: 1301
From: New York
Registered: Dec 2006
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posted September 14, 2008 08:44 PM
I hear people complaining about this.. I really hope these "astrologers" arent making money.. cause I could be doing this sh*t. Ive also never asked astrologers for advice about my chart outside of this forum.
I agree though. I have actually pondered about this. besides the fact that too many easy aspects in a chart dont yeild much at all when they are expected to be the best. friction and frustration, hardship are neccessities. perhaps afflictions are better to have with malefic planets and easy aspects better with benefics.
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
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posted September 14, 2008 08:46 PM
Sorry I should say that when I wrote "practicing astrologers", I meant all of us, not necessarily people who are making a living out of it but anyone like us dabbling in this field. It's like astrology believes in fatalism and then we all get up and say there's free will in order to fit with everyone in society with the accepted philsophical thought. Or those who like me (who might believe in free will) might not actually believe in astrology as any more than a clue giver. Really don't know.
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Seeing Stars 7.21
Knowflake Posts: 1301
From: New York
Registered: Dec 2006
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posted September 14, 2008 08:52 PM
yes the answer to your life is not in the chart.. there are external factors that your chart does not control in your life.. such as the house you were born in. the people you came into contact with.. the country you lived in.. the major things that occurred in your life that make you who you are. and therefore colors your life and makes you different and therefore influences the choices you make.IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
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posted September 14, 2008 09:00 PM
Exactly! Astrology can't explain those things. Which annoys me when someone says that because I'm an Aqu I'm supposed to be like this or like that. Yeah sure, I'm whacky, eccentric etc but I also have feelings, get emotional, have cried in public as well. Maybe its me, maybe I've been given the view or have been told somewhere that astrology = life's solutions. Maybe subconsciously I started out with this premise and have been trying to disprove it. IP: Logged |
LadyNeptune
Knowflake Posts: 419
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posted September 14, 2008 09:01 PM
23 -You must not have read this thread. That's why you don't get my joke.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/019053.html For the record, I don't believe a planet in a house means any one particular thing, that's why I made that joke. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
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posted September 14, 2008 09:05 PM
Lady Neptune - I kind of gathered that in a round about fashion (ie planet in a house means nothing). For me, I take it the other way around, as I said, the explanations can be limitless as to what a planet in a house means, I tried to give some examples on the other thread. I guess that's what I find annoying, people just oh yeah, its this or that but if you go through famous people's charts or members say of a profession (like the singer example in the other thread), yeah, traits sometimes come up ocassionally but often there aren't common traits in these people. Maybe we should refer to psychology instead and say there are personality traits that might lead one person into a profession. Of course, astrologers will try and link that back to astrology and say N (in Briggs-Meyers) means fire etc. Still even then, life is beyond astrology. Someone's thinking and decision making, all those little things that SS pointed out, can't be determined in astrology. I'm an Aquarian myself, doesn't mean I can't a piscean thing like write poetry. In fact, I won a few poetry competitions at school by putting a few words together and my chart resembles nothing you would expect astrologically of a poet. Doesn't mean that I had feeling behind them, someone else interpreted the feeling in them and said they are good. Sorry going off track there. IP: Logged |
Love
Knowflake Posts: 1011
From: Canada
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted September 15, 2008 12:10 AM
I remember reading something that Steven Forrest wrote a while back (maybe it was an interview?) where he expressed an opinion I felt was very balanced, while still obviously giving astrology its due credit.I'll see if I can find a link to it somehow. I've said this in other posts, and I'll say it again here. I think that astrology is alot like psychology. We all have abilities in us (potential) but the way we were raised, our own personal choices and our desire for a deepened/more conscious awareness will contribute to how we manifest the energy of our chart. Similarly, the way we perceive people with a certain Sun sign or combination of aspects must go through our filter.
I personally have seen certain patterns appearing in the charts of those who were adopted/raised in foster care/etc. but I have not seen hundred and hundreds of these charts therefore I keep that as an idea in my mind when seeing a similar pattern in a new chart. Patterns are at the root of chart interpretation - I think the trick is to not let the patterns box you in.
There are so many branches of psychology, just as there are of astrology. The liklihood of everyone seeing it the same way is zero. But I really do agree with you 23 about the whole fatalism thing. I think that a chart shows you potentials, possibilities and even probablities but the person is responsible for their choices. Also, I totally agree about how trines and squares equalling good and bad is outdated. Trines may feel good, but that doesn't mean they're doing you any good. Squares symbolize getting your a** off the couch and motivating you so that you can then enjoy your trines, so to speak.
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koiflower
Knowflake Posts: 1258
From: Australia
Registered: Jun 2008
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posted September 15, 2008 05:49 AM
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I think that astrology is alot like psychology.
You've hit the nail on the head for me, Love. Ever since I was a teenager, big glasses and all, I was fascinated by 'Linda Goodman's Star Signs'. I was captivated by her fluency and expressiveness in describing characteristics found in people. It made my adolescent mind swirl with the endless possiblitites of why a cranky person could have an ability to love in a certain way, and why an enthusiastic person may be able to make a sad person feel happy, etc...... Reading 'Stars Signs' was my introduction into a world greater than the one I was existing in. Analyzing a chart is one way to look beyond a persona, and honour that person as a unique individual. It's been a pleasant hobby to delve into - a distraction away from the last challenging two years I've had to endure. This forum is awesome!!  IP: Logged |
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