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posted September 14, 2008 11:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message

Blue Moon:

1. Do you feel that your 10th house moon has publicly been expressed or is used in your 10th house issues?
2. How does the out of sign conjunction between your moon and pluto feel? Can you feel it? if so, how?
3. 7th house planets - have you ever stood alone? How does this impact on your life?
4. Do you feel the sign differences between your tau stellium and sun?
5. How does the ceres-sun conj play out given the house differences?
6. What do you in your spare time?
7. Have you ever spoken publicly? Do you have a lot people in your life that you get chatty with?
8. How does the neptune conj jupiter in your 1st manifest?
9. We've heard you talk about your mars in the capacity of the 5th, what about it's relationship to venus, sun and uranus?
10. Moon square saturn out of sign. Do tell.
11. Oppositions (out of sign) between 1st and 7th planets.
12. Philosophies on life?

Thanks in advance...

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posted September 15, 2008 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Oh no! It's my turn on the couch!

I might not be as forthcoming as the guys:

1. Moon/Pluto - I just wouldn't reveal as much my inner self in public as they do. Or anywhere really, no-one gets to know everything that is going on inside there.

....But I'll put some answers up when time allows....

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posted September 15, 2008 06:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
1. continued. Moon CNJ Pluto in 10th

There is untapped potential that needs using. Saturn is currently plodding through this house and is sending the message home. I know I need to think about changing career direction.

Subconsciously I've made choices that reflect this placement, I've always worked in the public sector, in public bodies. But I need to push myself a little more.


2. How does the out of sign conjunction between your moon and pluto feel? Can you feel it? if so, how?

It's an approximate time of birth but I think he was only out by a few minutes in his recollections if anything. Zero degree of Libra seems right. Pluto by sign is generational so I don't think that is something I can feel strongly.

I don't feel at odds with the people of my generation.

3. 7th house planets - have you ever stood alone? How does this impact on your life?

I met my husband when I was 21 so I have only been single for a small part of my adult life. I've never lived alone. In those few years of my adult life I was single, I lived with friends.

Impact on my life? I know enough single women struggling to make ends meet to know I should be grateful that I have never been in this situation. That's a Taurean answer, isn't it? People cry rivers over broken relationships, betrayal, and enforced solitude. So far in life I have only added a trickle or two. I should be grateful for that, too.

Saturn in the 7th tells its own story. I'm not being carried through life. Just as one example, I do all the finances. He isn't a 9 to 5 man and I do have responsiblities where I have to get on with things alone. Generally I am quite happy with that.

I hope there is something of depth in the 7th house other than having a long lasting personal relationship that ended in marriage. I like to think it is also about relating to other people in a close way, not just romantically or maritally.

In terms of the song, blue moon sees someone standing alone ~ not the other way around.

4. Do you feel the sign differences between your tau stellium and sun.

Gemini is interested in everything, curious, and potentially dissipated. Taurus provides some anchorage, particularly Mercury who is very useful for intellectual endeavours. Anything about Gemini being fickle, inconstant and shallow doesn't ring true with this much Taurus. But I do the flirting thing, just for amusement, really.

5. How does the ceres-sun conj play out given the house differences?

The Sun is out there in the world, chatting to people and trying to relate to them, Ceres is concerned with psychological understanding (and nurturing).

Often I hear the attitude that kids will just get on with things, they will be alright, as long as they are fed, clothed and have a roof. Then we end up with a world full of effed up people. Children cop onto more than adults often give then credit for ~ and the description of the Ceres activity on my chart as seeing them as 'evolving souls' struck a chord*.

6. What do you in your spare time?

I seem to spend a reasonable amount of time chatting to people on the 'net.

I do a bit of the old charity thing, I volunteer to do things like act as marshall in marathons. I don't do running though, walking, yes. I did Ben Nevis this year (Britain's highest mountain). What next? Maybe a parachute jump.

7. Have you ever spoken publicly? Do you have a lot people in your life that you get chatty with?

I don't have the public speaking fear, I'll do it if the job needs doing. As long as I know what I am talking about. I wasn't happy when someone got me to do some training at work when I was only half-trained myself, I thought that was b.s and I got annoyed.

Chatty and then some. I speak to people in the street and in shops, kids, old people, anybody really. I've made friends that way.

8. How does the neptune conj jupiter in your 1st manifest?

I'm lazy. I spend time chatting on the internet instead of tidying up my house.

But if you want someone to hold your hand in hospital then I am your woman. If you're unconscious I will be fine to just sit and think in stillness for a couple of hours.

I am never bored. Ever.

9. We've heard you talk about your mars in the capacity of the 5th, what about it's relationship to venus, sun and uranus?

Mars Square Venus, let's not go there. That can be wild when it is let rip.

The Mars/NN/Asc/Venus/Mercury T-Square is a tameable beast but it isn't easy. Ploughing my energies into creative endeavours is one aspect of it, knowing when to keep quiet is another.

Mars is in Aqua, Trine the Sun and Uranus. I don't get pushed around a lot. I know my own mind.

10. Moon square saturn out of sign. Do tell.


It's not Square, it's a disassociated Trine. It isn't something I find that uncomfortable, Taurus and Libra are both ruled by Venus.

It's actually my favourite aspect. Emotional stability, what a gift.

Most of us feel emotion, deep emotion, it is just expressed in different ways, in different degrees. I don't prioritise telling everyone how I feel.


11. Oppositions (out of sign) between 1st and 7th planets.

Neptune CNJ Jupiter is a hot-air balloon wafting over the world in peace and contentment. Saturn provides the sandbags. It's not the most comfortable of oppositions. The amount of idealistic optimism I have has been brought down a little by the harsh reality of life.

In another sense, it can be quite a struggle to accomplish things. But then, as I get older, I think there is something in the human condition that carries the naive vanity of needing to create material accomplishments, something lasting and real. I'm feeling less pressure about this and better for it.

12. Philosophies on life?

Sometimes it is better to keep your gob shut and say nothing.

Never say die.


*http://members.wizzards.net/~magyan/aspects.htm

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posted September 16, 2008 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks BM for your response:

1. Moon CNJ Pluto in 10th

Yes I often wonder about this aspect. If you've seen my chart I "kind" of have it you use the DC as a meeting point for the two planets. So would you say your pluto is stronger than you moon given what you said? Do you ever feel it is the other way around where there might be an intense expression of emotions that is released or does pluto control your moon? I also wonder how the jupiter in particular as a sextile planet comes into play with this. Does it affect your expression in any way.

Well I'd be interested to see what comes out of your saturn transit. I had this transit when I was 14 and I remember becoming very dedicated to my schoolwork and feeling very ambitious. I also was a rather stern teenager during this period. How does the transiting saturn squaring your sun feel?

2. How does the out of sign conjunction between your moon and pluto feel? Can you feel it? if so, how?

Well I don't think you would feel at odds of those of your generation. Your moon would give them emotional comfort maybe.

I've seen zero degree planets in other people's charts, how does that feel? I ask because I have an anarectic saturn that I can feel.

3. 7th house planets - have you ever stood alone? How does this impact on your life?
I think the 7th house story is really interested. I have a libran moon in the 7th (which you probably know about) and my story is rather similar to yours (notwithstanding that I have uranus in the 7th ).
Saturn - Would you say that you are attracted to someone who is saturnine in their traits? You've intererestingly described it such that you are the "manager" (the capricorn one), might any of those tau planets come into play here (being about practical and stability. We know tau is associated with the 2nd house too).

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posted September 16, 2008 12:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
4. Do you feel the sign differences between your tau stellium and sun.

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But I do the flirting thing, just for amusement, really.

Yeah I have mars in the 3rd and I have a similar issue, I just like sh!tstirring and you know how us Antipodean people are like, its a culture of such behaviour, then people get annoyed if I make a flippant remark, which was to be taken lightly in the first place.
So I guess with the tau stellium in the same house as the sun, you must feel its impact on your behaviour. Maybe also because your saturn, ruler of 3rd is in your 7th too. How about your other earth planet, pluto? Do you think it modifies your behaviour a bit in that regard?

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5. How does the ceres-sun conj play out given the house differences?
Interesting response. I've got the trine between ceres and sun/mercury. I agree with you there, kids are very sensitive and when something happens to them which seems tiny to an adult, it can be very important to them. I still resent my mother for little things she did to me as a child. I'm sorry to divert this conversation back to me but I've just noticed something. A good friend of mine had a child in February. Whenever the child sees me, it tries to babble/talk to me. I'm always talking back and pulling faces and imitating the child talking (we're of course having fun both of us ). Mum says the child doesn't try to talk to anyone else except me. Must be those aspects in my chart I suspect. I was wondering if children open up to you in a similar way given the sun-ceres conjunction.

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posted September 16, 2008 12:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
6. What do you in your spare time?
LOL - chatting on the net
Your 12th house ruler is venus, 12th house cusp is libra. The activities that you mentioned are done in partnership right?

8. How does the neptune conj jupiter in your 1st manifest?
I get bored but I suspect its the jupiter in my first, but the laziness - maybe? Do you feel that maybe you are over generous and taken advantage of because of these placement?

9. We've heard you talk about your mars in the capacity of the 5th, what about it's relationship to venus, sun and uranus?
Interesting what you said about the grand trine. Rulers of 5th, intercepted sun, 3rd. I don't know how these all would relate. However, I guess the obvious thing is you have an interception of leo, ruled by sun. Do you think that modifies who you are a lot. Do you think that this might be affecting your personality under the tau stellium?
Likewise the interception of Aqu in 3rd.

10. Moon square saturn out of sign. Do tell.
Sorry misread your chart. I guess the saturn would greatly alter the moon-pluto conj which might tip pluto in favour I suspect out of moon and pluto

11. Oppositions (out of sign) between 1st and 7th planets.
Interesting answer

12. Philosophies on life?
Ruler of 9th is moon. Moon conj pluto trine saturn. Need I say more about your philosophies

Thanks for responding BM, much appreciated

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posted September 16, 2008 05:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
So many questions, you are right nosey, mate. Not seen your chart, but 23 on the couch is on it's way.

Moon CNJ Pluto in 10th

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Do you ever feel it is the other way around where there might be an intense expression of emotions that is released or does pluto control your moon?

Saturn keeps it in check. It trines both those planets.

There are times in life intense emotion gets released, I am only human, and I have suffered. I just tend to be more private about my feelings than most. I have friends who cry mid-sentence and need to talk about their feelings and have them validated. I'm not like that.

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I also wonder how the jupiter in particular as a sextile planet comes into play with this. Does it affect your expression in any way.

I tend to be cheerful, upbeat and optimistic for the most part. Like anyone else I can get grumpy.

Moon/Pluto is processing the fall-out of the opposition of Saturn to Jupiter/Neptune. I don't like bitter and miserable people, and I make an effort not to be one.


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How does the transiting saturn squaring your sun feel?

Right now it is Inconjunct my Mars, ruler of the 6th and 5th. I suspect I have some unpleasant virus. I blame impending winter and being back at the germ melting pot that is school, not Saturn literally. But still, my strength is being sapped.

The Sun is in my 7th house, and I am in a relationship with that involves mortgage and bills in a credit crunch. I'd like to say that deep and meaningful things have been on my mind in the last couple of months but to be truthful, reducing the electricity bill has superseded any such thoughts.


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I've seen zero degree planets in other people's charts, how does that feel?

It feels very Libran.

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Saturn - Would you say that you are attracted to someone who is saturnine in their traits?

Mr blue moon is older than me and has Sun CNJ Saturn. And Mercury in Capricorn. He tends not to channel these energies into the practicalities of life. Outside of his career, that is. He is very succesful in that, he works very hard. A good problem-solver, good with machinery and technology (Sun/Saturn in Aqua).

Amongst my best relationships (and I'm talking friends, family, etc) Mercury Trine Mercury and Sun Trine Mercury feature strongly. It's the Geminian need to relate. This also means I get along better if people have Earth or Air Mercury signs. I know people with Water and Fire that I can talk to and hang out with, but the wavelength thing isn't there as much.

Mr blue moon has Capricorn Mercury, Trine my Mercury. Our breakfast conversation was about the stock market and the banking sector problems in the context of public opinion and likely impact on society in general. I have friends who talk about cars, football and sh@gging girls, that's O.K for an evening in the pub, but I don't know if I could live with it.

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posted September 16, 2008 05:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
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Antipodean people are like

The culture is based on the English working-classes so there is going to be a similarity here, taking the ___ is just what we do. I noticed that, I lived in London for years, loads of Aussies and Kiwis.

But only where it is a laugh. I wouldn't pick on someone if it upset, I hate cruel humour. That's the Venusian influence and the Moon in Libra.

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I still resent my mother for little things she did to me as a child. I'm sorry to divert this conversation back to me

Don't be. I read your thread on LL Central about the girl changing clothes and the mother saying, "you look fat in that."

I haven't responded yet but I agree with your observation. Yes, yes, I see just where you are headed from with this, it was a stupid way to go about things. Repeating to kids that they are bad at something or useless in some way could well give them a complex they have to work hard to resolve.

Ceres strongly comes into this for me ~ my own mother used to make digs about me not being domesticated. Reading about my Ceres placements got me to change my way of thinking about my style of parenting and homekeeping. I know it is her own insecurities made her say these things. It is a shame she was trapped into blinkered thinking that she should try and match up to an outmoded 50s housewife stereotype that didn't suit her, but that's her life. Yes, she is right, I am an intellectual type, and not that great at cooking or keeping an immaculate home. But who gives a ___ . I am Ceres/Sun in Gemini, it's all about communication, and learning.

Yes, kids talk to me about things. Kids are blunt, they tell you straight out if they can trust you, and it helps if they think you are treating them like they are another person on a level. It's sad when kids of 5 have suffered abandonment, abuse, loss, and some of the worst things life have to offer. But it happens, in a small town with pampered kids in the same class.

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Rulers of 5th, intercepted sun, 3rd. I don't know how these all would relate

That sounds creative. I like word-play, and on LL that means getting into the Lexigram Magic. Why don't you join in? My success, as you will see on the ongoing story thread, is variable.

Career-wise, I think in an ideal situation I would aim towards something involving words, communication, writing. That comes into what I do, conveying information, but I think this should be where I head next.

BUT in all reality, with my age, and the economic situation, this is going to be something that has to stay more on a personal level and is a 5th house hobby type activity.

The Nodes are in the 3rd house so for an astro-philosophy of life:

DON'T MESS WITH THE NODES!


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posted September 16, 2008 07:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
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So many questions, you are right nosey, mate. Not seen your chart, but 23 on the couch is on it's way

Once upon a time I was paid for my nosiness indirectly. Don't worry, I'm not and was not part of the secret service, secret police or people on the other side. As for me on the couch, you'd see how b.o.r.i.n.g. I am! Remember I have pluto on the DC!

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There are times in life intense emotion gets released, I am only human, and I have suffered. I just tend to be more private about my feelings than most. I have friends who cry mid-sentence and need to talk about their feelings and have them validated. I'm not like that.

Interesting, I'm kind of both depending on the situation. I'm still trying to establish if I have a supposed conjunction between moon and pluto. I think also a lot of it is to do with your mercury conj saturn, which might tend to put on a "poker" face on you - stern serious. Yet, I'm sure you could also be a diplomat (conj venus, my dad has this and never says anything rude or mean).

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Moon/Pluto is processing the fall-out of the opposition of Saturn to Jupiter/Neptune. I don't like bitter and miserable people, and I make an effort not to be one.

Neither do I for different reasons. Interesting about the fallout planets, how do you think they "help"? Obviously must harmonious, in positive relationship to the opposition planets.

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posted September 16, 2008 08:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message

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How does the transiting saturn squaring your sun feel?

Interesting about the credit crunch, hope you get through it. I'm sure you'll be ok, jupiter is or has been going through your second and will trine pluto soon (traditionally the ruler of other people's money, could be your husbands even) and then trine your personal 8th house ruler (moon).

I was thinking that maybe with t-saturn squaring your sun that maybe your communications with the neighbourhood might've been lessened, that maybe you haven't seen your siblings, you haven't been talking much as well as general health and wellbeing issues (that you mentioned).

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Saturn - Would you say that you are attracted to someone who is saturnine in their traits?

Sounds like you met your match! And compatible mercuries are always nice, especially in dear ones (unlike my mother and I )
Stock markets- its a really earthy mercury thing I've noticed! My partner has mercury in tau and he is obsessed with the markets. I can appreciate it, I have merc opp saturn.

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Antipodean people are like

Yes I've done it a bit on here and it's either not gotten or people are offended (I think the sawn-off shotgun/venus in sag thing was that). I don't like meaness either - libra moon too. I'd never pick on someone to be mean but I tease in good humour.

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posted September 16, 2008 08:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Ceres
My mum does exactly the same thing to me and its funny about the changeroom thread that I started, never thought of it as being a ceres thing in my chart.

Do kids happen to talk the deep and meaningful things in life as well to you, such as spirituality, meaning of life etc?

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That sounds creative. I like word-play, and on LL that means getting into the Lexigram Magic. Why don't you join in? My success, as you will see on the ongoing story thread, is variable.

You know what, I never had even been in that forum that you mentioned it! I didn't even know it existed. So I guess that's what the Zalaists got their idea from? I'd be terrible at it! Seriously! Crosswords and all those things, I'm really, really bad at! I'll keep watching the forum though. I can't believe someone got a whole poem out of it - amazing!

Writing as a career
You certainly have good potential and you do express yourself well on this site from what I have seen! You could if you have the time maybe offer your services maybe to a local paper and write a column in it or something. You never know!

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DON'T MESS WITH THE NODES!

I like the usage of "don't mess", very martian!
And anyway maybe you could be a writer for technological warfare given the mars-NN conj in aqu/3rd! Put James Bond in his place or something by taking up Q's role....

Another question - what can you tell me about your moon-lillith conjunction?

As well as chiron in 5th (conj eris)?

PS Can I see your progressed chart please?

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posted September 17, 2008 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
I'll show you my progressed chart, if you show me your natal.

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posted September 17, 2008 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
More questions & more answers....

Lilith

There is an undercurrent of fear about Lilith. I don't know, maybe that is what it is all about. Womanhood being scary. I didn't have any problems giving birth, that's for sure, the second one arrived in 15 minutes.

Chiron Conjunct Eris

This came up in a thread a few months ago. Heartcakes asked me about this, I said, well, I don't know! She asked if I have children. Well, I do, and I recall this conjunction interacts with my elder son's chart quite powerfully. Like Lilith, it is a new thing to me that I am still pondering on. It can take quite a while ~ to reach a truth I can commit to, lol, reference there to Taurus in Mercury quote by Happy Dragon.


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maybe with t-saturn squaring your sun that maybe your communications with the neighbourhood might've been lessened, that maybe you haven't seen your siblings

My sibling has a new job, lots of travel, long hours, so we haven't spoken as much as normal. It's not anything I take personally. With winter on its way there has been less hanging around outside and so I have seen my neighbours less, as well.

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posted September 22, 2008 04:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Re eris-chiron in 5th - maybe the ability to deal/heal with discord of others in a creative way or the discord belonging to children? Or maybe you are able to heal your own discord in a creative way or maybe your own discord gives you pain that you have to heal in a creative way.

Re BML - maybe you see women or your mother as strong beings that are of BML-like qualities. Maybe you see your soul like that. These qualities would be exhibited publicly (10th house).

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