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Topic: synastry dampens Leo's fire
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koiflower
Knowflake Posts: 1258
From: Australia
Registered: Jun 2008
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posted September 23, 2008 05:43 AM
 
My boss is a lovely woman. Really she is. However, she has a way of not listening to my recommendations, fobbing them off, and walking away as if she has walked through a ghost. I'm experienced at my work. My recommendations should pack a punch. But I'm left dumb-founded when her nicey-niceness, pleasant-as-pie, smile and turn the other way and ignore me, kicks in - which is most of the time. I say "Black". She says "No, white". I say "Up". She says "No, down". Ignoring my advice has had its consequences, and it's been really hard being the dynamic, organized, enthusiastic professional under these conditions. I need to flourish with creativity in my work. Certain consequences have created a lot of stress for me this year. It's been disparaging. I see her Saturn is directly over my Neptune. Her austerity killing my imagination. Are there any other aspects that you can see? How do I 'stand up' to her and protect my heart which is tied in deeply to my work? I appreciate your time and advice!! Many thanks!!! Me: inside
Boss: outside, time unknown  thanks, xox IP: Logged |
koiflower
Knowflake Posts: 1258
From: Australia
Registered: Jun 2008
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posted September 23, 2008 05:51 AM
P.S. still trying to work out how to save the written chart that appears in the bottom left corner. How do I do this, please? Cheers  IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 23, 2008 06:06 AM
From what I can gather, your ura is squ her sun which means that you like your freedom, she is the ego. Ura rules your 11th, sun rules her asc. So its some community-herself clash happening. Also you might have an out of aspect square between your merc and her sun - ego v thought - must check up on that. Otherwise you do have venus trine venus - harmonious values systems. As you mentioned the neptune-saturn conj might be heavy, esp her saturn falling in your 8th. Likewise your saturn falls in her 7th, maybe she might feel a bit constrained herself. And also her neptune is near your chart ruler mars which might mean that she dissolves your drive and identity. Possibly her moon squ your mars - you get angry because she changes her moods. I don't think you have your sun squ her venus but if that exists, that would be a good work clash as well. Also there is a possibility of your merc conj her pluto - crushing your thinking maybe. Her mercury/mars also square your chiron but even more critical is her chiron squ your neptune/vx. Neptune is your dreams, vx is the changing point, the door to relationships and her chiron is her wounding others in this case. Chiron can see through the smoke screen and bury under and can cause injury. IP: Logged |
deuxantares
Knowflake Posts: 1197
From: Meet Me in Sofia
Registered: Nov 2006
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posted September 23, 2008 06:13 AM
Koi, I think it applies only to individual charts? Click on "View Additional Tables" on the upper left side (above) the chart on Astro.com. A PDF file with tables will appear. IP: Logged |
sunshine_lion
Knowflake Posts: 919
From: ann arbor mi
Registered: Apr 2008
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posted September 23, 2008 06:30 AM
Koi-
With your placements, and I know this, you have to have creativity with children to be happy. I know you love your job. I worked 8 years with a repressive boss because I loved my job and my clients and watching thier kids grow up knowing I was helping in some small way meant a lot to me. I left that job because it affected every area of my life how nasty I was treated at work. She was jealous of my ideas and just an angry controlling woman. I would never again do that to myself. I would never again stay in a job where I am not treated with respect. Perhaps she is jealous of your relationships with the kids, or how well you do your job. Has it always been like this with her? I don't like change so I stayed much longer than I would have because it was a good paying job, but never again would I do that. If it doesn't change with her I hope you don't deal with her as long as I did. I am so much happier now it seems everything in my life looked up once I wasn't so unhappy at work with a tyrant for a boss and I found a position that suits me even better providing nursing for chronically ill kids where I have all the freedom and the respect of my boss and still making a difference in these kids lives. Huge difference. Unbelievable. You are going through some tough transits anyway, but it looks like she stifles you and I don't think you can blossom like the flower you are with her treating you like this. I hope it gets better.IP: Logged |
blue moon
Moderator Posts: 4700
From: U.K
Registered: Dec 2007
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posted September 23, 2008 08:17 AM
Her Mercury is sitting at the Jupiter end of your Moon/Jupiter opposition. So there's the part where you get offended by her attitude. She is sitting at one end of the see-saw. Maybe, from her persective, you are too full-on, and take things too personally? Ego-wise this doesn't work well. You have Sun in Leo Square Neptune. She comes along with Saturn, and Squares it. That has to be a major drag. For her, maybe she thinks she is trying to be realistic? But the one I question is her Gemini Sun Square your Mercury in the 5th house. Does she have Sun Square Pluto on her natal chart? That I'd like to know. That would be something to check out. Do you have Mercury Conjunct her Pluto Square her Sun? That could be a powder keg. If that was the case, I feel like I might be moved to say that a part of her is doing it on purpose to be contrary, as a power thing, maybe not consciously. I have a problem reading her Moon/Uranus/Jupiter combination. Which ones are Square her Neptune? That would be interesting to find out. Your Mars looks to be triggering them off, sitting at the Neptune end. Mars/Uranus is a cage-rattler. Since being on LL I have met a couple of guys who are Uranus to my Mars, I make sure not to get into heartfelt disagreements or things could get unpleasant. Which could also happen here at some point. Maybe. Look past the blue lines and you have some ugly synastry. It reminds me of a certain member of my family. Perfectly nice person, O.K she has some irritating habits that annoy everyone, don't we all? We inhabit different planets, it's a potential punch-up everytime we are in each other's company for more than 24 hours. What can you do? Well, in that case, I go for excessive alcohol and short visits. You don't have that option in a work setting. Taking a deep breath and counting to ten? Walking away might be her control strateg so if she does it, leave it, wait for the situation to cool down. But if she constantly vetoes your suggestions and you have had enough the matter is going to have to be addressed. If it is sure to get ugly if you are left in an office together, maybe a third party might be able to mediate? Only suggestions. It's easy to do that and be objective when you don't have to suffer. I would get  here, as well. IP: Logged |
koiflower
Knowflake Posts: 1258
From: Australia
Registered: Jun 2008
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posted September 23, 2008 05:23 PM
Thank you for your responses 23, deuxantares, sunshine lion and blue moon. Thank you for making my day I'm going to really take a close look at what you've said. Parts of your advice has jumped out at me immediately.... quote:
her neptune is near your chart ruler mars which might mean that she dissolves your drive and identity......Chiron can see through the smoke screen and bury under and can cause injury.
23, a shiver ran through me just now. quote:
I might be moved to say that a part of her is doing it on purpose to be contrary, as a power thing, maybe not consciously.
bluemoon, bingo! She is extremely contrary!! I believe myself, that it is tied into a power issue - which is behaviour I usually find crude and tasteless. (Lack of her own personal power, maybe?). Thanks so much everyone. I'm off to have a closer read!!! koiflower  IP: Logged |
Geocosmic Valentine
Knowflake Posts: 994
From: New York, NY
Registered: Sep 2007
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posted September 23, 2008 05:56 PM
Also remember, Koiflower, Neptune is stronger than Saturn. When Neptune conjuncts Saturn is suggests ambition being dissolved. Your Neptune is like a supressive oil spill or a liquid plastic over her power. You both have Saturn in water, but her Saturn is a little more vicious and tough because it's in Scorpio, but she definitely feels threatened by your imagination.If you can somehow be like a broken record with your ideas, never just approach her once, you CAN wear down what seems to be her final decisions. And it may not be that difficult, especially since your Saturn trines her Saturn, it may help her to feel more stability with your imagination. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted September 23, 2008 06:06 PM
Koi - I'm sorry I didn't give you any advice, I don't know how I would deal with a situation like this and I'm sorry if I made it sound like some Gothic novel. But Geo is right in that neptune is stronger. The outer planet always has the upper hand in synastry (except an outer planet might get a tough run from something like the sun). IP: Logged |
koiflower
Knowflake Posts: 1258
From: Australia
Registered: Jun 2008
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posted September 25, 2008 07:26 PM
Once again thank you for your detailed input knowflakes!!! You’ve actually given me quite a lot of information to work with. I’ve really taken a hard look at myself and it has been quite confronting. My Moon opposite Jupiter – shows aspects where I’ve felt challenges in my life. Moon opposite Jupiter can lessen ambition (which is me – not ambitious), but can produce feelings of ‘working’ for a cause. This aspect can have implications on close relationships. My Sun square Neptune – emotionally vulnerable, self-confidence fragmented by [parents], manipulation by others.
Too overcome Sun square Neptune and Moon opposite Jupiter, one needs to focus on routine. Routine seems to be the antidote to these two hard aspects. Even if Life is busy throwing one challenge after the other in the form of people or misfortune, the rules of survival seem to be:
**hold tight with what you have and work hard on it
**continual positive self-talk
**mix small with large goals
**keep close friendships to a minimal – have 3 great friends
**make a routine and stick with it
**accept that life has limitations in the ‘real’ world
**avoid financial risks The synastry aspects with my boss… Her Saturn conjunct my Neptune 57 mins - face a grim reality Pluto conjunct Mercury 4dg – shifts my thinking Mercury opposite Moon 4dg - I question matters of importance that seem minor to my boss Her Mercury square my Chiron 3 dg - I need to study Chiron more to understand it better. But I found this as a starting point: quote:
SQUARE: Here we have something similar to the conjunction, but with a twist. There seems to be an attraction, yet a repulsion at the same time. This mixed feeling seems to be much stronger in the Chiron person than in the other individual. The Chiron person also seems to have the initial effect of getting past the other’s defenses---but frequently causes resentment in so doing. The person being aspected by another’s Chiron becomes capable of developing new defenses to keep the Chiron person out---but then the Chiron person becomes able to get through these new defenses, as well. Therefore, if the people are insecure, this aspect turns their relationship into a battlefield. Yet even so, both people grow because of it. Positively an awareness dawns about what is going on---and the two develop a relationship with great growth potential. They perceive the process of throwing up new walls as attempts to focus on insecurities. They do not feel threatened by them, but see them as a way of clearing out the rubbish. The result---mutual growth and increasing closeness. http://tribes.tribe.net/astrologynow/thread/404b247f-7ff5-4bb6-a7df-c5737ba3fae1
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koiflower
Knowflake Posts: 1258
From: Australia
Registered: Jun 2008
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posted September 25, 2008 07:28 PM
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I have a problem reading her Moon/Uranus/Jupiter combination. Which ones are Square her Neptune?
Uranus and Jupiter square her Neptune. Uranus square Neptune (large collective group)- quote:
The problem in later life would become ambivalence; they would be torn between a need to revolt against authority and the establishment, and a need to feel socially secure. Purity of ideals would become a challenge, especially when confronted with the pragmatic demands of [economic and family] life. With this aspect there is an aversion to leaders…. Astrologyweekly.com
Jupiter square Neptune – is in a “castle in the sky” (astrologyweekly.com) My Mars square her Uranus – impatience and unpredictability, disagreement. My Mars square her Moon – clashes with impatience, controversy, volatility, make-up then start all over again!! My Mars conjunct her Neptune does work, however my actions don’t completely fit her imagination. As Geocosmic Valentine kindly pointed out, quote:
Neptune is stronger than Saturn. When Neptune conjuncts Saturn is suggests ambition being dissolved. Your Neptune is like a suppressive oil spill or a liquid plastic over her power.
This doesn’t help her Jupiter square Neptune’s dissipated energy. Her ambition is threatened because in herself, she is challenged to remain ambitious. There is good news! There are certainly positive aspects that would work fine as ‘equal’ colleagues and perhaps as casual acquaintances. Personally, I believe we both have our own issues on how we perceive the world based on our past experiences. Her ‘dreamy’ ways lead to decisions with consequences with a win/lose outcome. My past ‘hurt child’ has reappeared after spending almost 2 years under her leadership (as well as going through family challenges this year!!) Her Remedy: if she could develop the art of consultation, she would experience greater success with her staff. If she saw me as a source of strength in our department and not a threat, we would flourish. Aim for practical solutions that consider all parties. My Remedy: remain faithful to my routines. Stay polite, even though I have lost some respect toward her. Remain confident that I am good at what I do. It shouldn’t take another person’s actions to deter me from my intrinsic success. Or as my mother would say, “Toughen up”. Astrology is a great starting point to work on realistic, practical solutions in relationships, imo of course 
Thanks once again for your amazing observations!!!
koiflower
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