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posted September 27, 2008 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
On Mercury/Venus:

We know it is physically impossible to have Mercury more than 30 degrees away from the Sun. Given that there was a thread recently about your sign and neighbouring signs and most people responded very positively about their neighbouring signs, I was wondering one of the reasons why practically Mercury is restricted to a 30 degree distance* from the Sun is to allow compatibility. Could you imagine for example being a Taurus Sun with a Aquarius mercury? LOL

Likewise can be said about Venus and it's relationship with the Sun. The greatest distance apart between these two is 48 degrees, which means at furtherest, Venus is in a sextiling sign to Sun. However, a semi-square relationship between the two would at most be a "minor annoyance".

Still it doesn't really explain the Moon and its possible difficulties with the Sun but the Moon orbits Earth not Sun.

* Of course it is physically restricted because of it's close orbit to the Sun so from the perspective of Earth, they are never far apart.

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posted September 28, 2008 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message
Hey 23,

How are you, Chickadee?

I don't think I caught the other thread, so maybe I'm off base with this...

But my Sun won't be held within 30 degrees from a second person's Mercury, only my own, if we're talking synastry.

And with Venus, maybe because it IS so fast moving (like the moon), the odds of it being the same in synastry with each person would be less, not more. Does that make sense?

I know in my synastries, most of the time Venus is making different aspects to each of them...but in composite...no fail system. If I have a close bond with that person, there's a Venus/Sun conjunction. Taking into account that we all have different Venus/Sun signs, I think that's rather amazing. I don't know how to interpret that one statistically though.

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posted September 28, 2008 07:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Hello 8thy Where have you been?

I think I know what you are talking about but I was actually talking about natal charts , compatibility with oneself such that Mercury and Venus always occurs in compatible signs with one's Sun (ie semi-sextile/sextile signs).

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posted September 28, 2008 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message
The whole "compatibility" word threw me off. I never thought about being compatible with myself...I'm off to ponder.

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posted September 28, 2008 09:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry, what I mean by "compatibility" is that there is no clash between one's Sun and Venus/Mercury unless Sun and Venus are in semi-square aspect, then it would be minor irritation.

This is unlike the Sun and Moon which can be squaring or opposing, having a major aspect that clashes.

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posted September 28, 2008 09:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
I've thought about this too, about how Venus and Mercury are always close to the Sun. But I guess because both of mine aren't in the same sign as my Sun, I've focused more on what that means.

My Venus is in earth, while my Sun is in fire. My SO has his Venus in fire, while his Sun is in earth. So both of us are attracted to an element that's incompatible with our own Sun, our own identity.

I take that to mean that people with this type of astrological layout are meant to expand their identity through the people they love (or communicate with, in Mercury's case). This lack of coherency makes someone less self-sufficient and more in need of others. I don't mean it makes them needy. I just mean that other people help highlight particular parts of themselves that they feel inside them but don't always feel is expressed in their general identity, their sun.

I would like to know how people with their Sun, Venus, and Mercury all in the same sign feel. Not only is that particular sign emphasized, but there must be less of an inner conflict. I would think people like that would feel like other people understand them more than people who have those planets in different signs feel, since when it's in different signs you're asking someone to connect with and understand very different energies.

Just thinking off the top of my head, all the people I'm closest with have at least their Venus or Mercury in a sign different from their Sun. The 3 are never all in the same sign. That's probably common, but I don't think it's just a coincidence. Since my personal planets are in different signs, I probably understand and feel understood better by people who also have that layout.

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posted September 28, 2008 09:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
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I would like to know how people with their Sun, Venus, and Mercury all in the same sign feel. Not only is that particular sign emphasized, but they're just must be less of an inner conflict. I would think people like that would feel like other people understand them more than people who have those planets in different signs feel, since when it's in different signs you're asking someone to connect and understand very different energies.

Well for myself, I have Venus in Sag but my Sun and Mercury are both in Aqu and Mercury is combust. It is my only conjunction in my chart. I feel compelete harmony between my mind and ego, I define myself by my mind, my mind is who I am. I think that's an effect of a conjunction maybe assisted by the fact that they both are in an air sign. They feel detached, quirky and zany. Able to see patterns maybe that others can't - I guess that's what wit is.

As for my Venus and others, my Venus is 36 degrees away from the other two, I guess that's a decile aspect (whatever that means ) but my Venus does not feel "united" with the two like my Sun and Mercury. My Venus although in a compatible sign to the other two is feels very goofy, firey, dramatic and passionate. Probably enhanced because it is unaspected and on GC. Also my Sun/Mercury are in Cap related 10th, Venus in my Sag related 9th. They're on different missions but in no way do they feel conflicted with each other.

My Sun and Mercury actually feel that they have more in common with my chart ruler Mars because my Mars is in Gemini, notwithstanding that it's in the 3rd.

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Just thinking off the top of my head, all the people I'm closest with have at least their Venus or Mercury in a sign different from their Sun. The 3 are never all in the same sign. That's probably common, but I don't think it's just a coincidence. Since my personal planets are in different signs, I probably understand and feel understood better by people who also have that layout.

Well like attracts like. You are going to be attracted to these individuals because they have the same "pattern" as your chart. Just like I would be attracted to someone with a lot of oppositions and a splash chart because mine is.

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posted September 28, 2008 11:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
That's interesting, 23. I don't feel that complete harmony between my mind and ego. I can definitely see how my ego is more malleable (Sun conj Nep) than my mind and bonds with many different types of people, even people who don't stimulate me intellectually. I connect with them in other ways.

But that bond can only go so deep, and all of the people I'm closest to aspect my Mercury. Most of them have a Merc-Uranus aspect natally, which is the conj I have natally. Like attracting like, again. So I can see how a part of me (Sun-Neptune) bonds with all sorts of people, but another part of me (Merc-Uranus) needs to be touched for that person to become close to me.

This is probably because I have Merc-Ura in my 1st house, so it's something I need in my close partnerships, my one-on-one relationships.

My Venus doesn't seem to play as large a role in friendships as in my love relationships. My friends are of all signs, while for love, I've always gone for earth and water guys. I have Venus, Mars, and DSC all in earth. My 5th house cusp and Juno both in water (oh, and so is Dick, but I already told you that ). So unlike some people I know, I've never had the problem of loving one man but lusting after another. I sexually desire and love the same type of man. It's nice to have those parts of myself compatible. Less drama.

Does your SO connect more with your Venus or your Sun/Mercury (aspects wise)?

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posted September 28, 2008 11:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Interesting perspective on yourself there Jane. Also Sun represents male characteristics that you like (as well as Mars), being conj with a water planet, Neptune, would make you like watery men. Likewise replication with your earthy elements and attraction to earthy men. But also interesting about the Ura-Merc first house description of others being close to you. I have Sun/Merc square Ura

With me, I have Sun conj Merc so I Iike airy men (particularly Gemini) and my Mars in Gemini and I don't have that clash either.* Plus my Moon is in Libra and my Venus is in a compatible sign, Sag. You either have it or you don't with me.

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Does your SO connect more with your Venus or your Sun/Mercury (aspects wise)?

He connects through my Mercury and Airy side. His Saturn is conj my Saturn and they both oppose my Sun/Mercury. His Saturn is his chart ruler, my Sun rules my 5th, Mercury rules my 3rd/6th. Also his Sun/Venus is conj my Mars.

My Venus is unaspected natally, synastrically and composite with him. Venus rules my DC/2nd. However, you can see that I've satisfied my Venereal DC requirements by having my chart ruling Mars conj his Venus which is conj his Sun!

* Things get complicated because I also have Saturn opposing Sun/Merc. I also have part of my 5th house falling in Virgo. Oddly I have never fallen for a Virgo Sun but have been attracted to Virgo Marses. My partner is Cap rising so that explains the opposing Saturn part I guess.

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