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posted September 29, 2008 11:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
I was wondering in terms of these threads:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/019239.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/019250.html

People can express Venus in a passive attainment of someone and their Mars in their aggressive attainment.

I have Venus in Sag which is unaspected. Whilst I feel my Mars strongly in my chart as it is my chart ruler, I tend to use it when I want to dominate someone or something, ie when I feel angry or threatened but not really in issues of romantic-sexual attainment. I always use my Venus for romantic-sexual attainment, I try to be humourous and I tease when I try to attract. I never chase, I like for others to chase me. I was wondering if this is a result of it being unaspected, operating in its unfettered form with a lot of power.

I was talking to SW about unaspected planets recently and I think he kind of has this issue with his unaspected Mars. Maybe he feels it is roaming and trying to find it but others see it being used with telling force. I think my Venus is roaming but maybe others see it with telling force and maybe that's why I tend use it only for the reasons given below and because I can't locate it myself although I am actually using it, just not realising how powerful it is.

http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/dde3467b-df04-4a45-94c8-7aeb8e91e741

On Unaspected Venus:

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Venus represents the attraction principle. Without aspects, the capacity to attract is limited to a singular focus of interest, which prove to be obsessive and single-minded. Affectional interests are not apt to be actively pursued. The individual can be very passive here, yet very intense in his response.

Opinions are very welcome.

I'm very interested in hearing from SW if he happens to read this. Does he actively/aggressively only try to attain in matters of the heart because his Mars is unaspected?

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bvanzy
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posted September 30, 2008 01:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bvanzy     Edit/Delete Message
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People can express Venus in a passive attainment of someone and their Mars in their aggressive attainment.

You already know this but, your and everyone's Mars is about getting what they want, about drive and energy and motivation. Venus, instead, tries to get what she desires through attracting, charming, batting the eyelashes at it.

Your Venus is empowered by being unaspected, she is unencumbered and pure, which might make you VERY feminine (ironically since you have such a dominant Mars), but it might also give you less ways to express her. Do you have extra-specially delicate or particular tastes in love for example?

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posted September 30, 2008 01:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for the response bvanzy. I'm actually seen as very masculine in reality, I have Aries rising and am quite masculine in how I get along in life. It is very interesting that you say my Venus is feminine, maybe it is feminine in the way it operates because it is unencumbered but not really by sign. I do feel that it is limited as you say, I'm not charming through my Venus (even though I might be through my Libran moon), my Venus' interests are very Sag, you can gauge that through other posts that I have written. As for delicate or particular tastes, that's interesting. I suppose that reflects the purity of my just mentioned Venus Sag ideals. As for matters of the heart, I don't think I'm one to fall in love easily, I don't fall in love willy nilly like some other girls I know but I guess when I am captivated by someone, I really do fall hard. Just see my rampant and my self-deprecating comedic/goofy behaviour involving John Taylor* on this website Maybe that's the unaspected quality of it.

* He has the following synastry with my Venus: trine Mars/Eros, conj Jup, opp Sun/Venus

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bvanzy
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posted September 30, 2008 02:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bvanzy     Edit/Delete Message
Well, being seen as masculine is not a surprise since you are Aries rising and have a strutting Mars. But in terms of love, you said you are your Venus, and she expresses herself Sagittarian but she is still Venus and she is unhindered in the purity of her desires and her attempts to get them. 23 will travel!

And your crush is of someone so far away - he is in England, you are in Australia are you not?

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posted September 30, 2008 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for koiflower     Edit/Delete Message
I'm thinking in terms of 'uncomplication' in Venus related matters.

Venus in Sag seems like fun in dating and mating With that love of freedom that Saggies desire, there's not going to be a frivolous Mercury confusing communications or an intense Moon bearing down like a tonne of lead. You ought to be clear on your own romantic behaviour, what to expect from yourself.

I can imagine for a Venus in Sag, that falling for someone would be the hard part! How can someone who is the 'life of the party' suddenly be encaptured by another? How can fun-loving Saggie suddenly be struck by the penetrative cupid's arrow and survive? It would feel like a wild horse being corralled, until it realised that it was for its own good.

But I'm sure once the realisation of falling for someone and the strategy of 'how do I get to know them better' is employed, it should come easier for the Venus in Sag. You would be at ease, relaxed around your beau and taking in the wonders of the world with a new found infectious enthusiasm.

I also wonder if there is a sense of loneliness with an unaspected Venus when single. Is there? The reason I say this is because, there is an element of potential with people being partners when other aspects are being triggered. That is for example, a romance being triggered through Jupiter being trine to Venus.

Could that be why an unaspected Venus may seem intense? Due to the 'few and far between' nature of attractions?

(Try having Venus conjunct Pluto for intensity!! When I fall I fall more than hard. I virtually implode).

In terms of the website you posted for a knowflake visit:

VENUS is, MARS does.
VENUS attracts, MARS attacks.
VENUS beckons, MARS comes.
VENUS is a tease, MARS is a tiger.
VENUS is a beauty, MARS is a beast.
VENUS is a flower, MARS is a bee.
VENUS lures, MARS bites.
VENUS is bait, MARS takes the bait.
VENUS waits, MARS approaches.
VENUS is a seductive Siren, MARS is a sailor seduced.


Would you say that Venus and Mars can operate independently? If so, then an unaspected Venus can still express herself as she desires without being triggered by other aspects.

When you decide to kick in your Sag Venus, you have the support of that faultless omniscient rising sign of yours for an impeccable successful outcome


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bvanzy
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posted September 30, 2008 03:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bvanzy     Edit/Delete Message
"Uncomplication" - I like it. It's kinda what I meant by "purity" but doesn't have the virginal vibes. It's a straight channel of Venusian Venusy Venus, with a Sagi flavour of course.

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posted September 30, 2008 03:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Bvanzy - Yes I'm down here, he is in the UK. It *never* occurred to me that the fact that he was overseas was a product of the Venus in Sag/9th. So obvious, must have been blind to miss that!

I just went and did the shopping and was thinking about the usage of my Venus.

I am very good at executing and getting things done - this is Mars in action. I get things done quickly and immediately, no procrastination.

With people, its a different thing. My attitudes represent Venus unaspected. For example, when I apply for jobs, my attitude is that if they want me, they will come for me. My attitude towards friends is that if they want me, they come for me, in that way I'm terribly passive. I do not socially network, never have and never will. I feel detached to people because of this, I don't like to press or push people into doing things, if I do, I feel incredibly guilty and pushy. I'm quite happy to watch the social interactions of others. It annoyed me how I read on a website (and I have to find it) that it said unaspected Venus people are very lazy and nothing will come of them. I think that's not true, I'm not lazy, I'm just are incredibly passive, I don't like intruding.

However, since about 2002 Venus will make various progressions to other planets, this will occur over the next 20 years. I felt the full force of Venus around 2002-3 when it conjuncted my sun and I became incredibly charming and popular and more proactive. Of course, this has disappeared now with the progression disappearing. How it manifests with other planets in progression will be seen. What I am saying is that Venus requires other planets to do its legwork, otherwise, you are stuck with someone of my attitude

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posted September 30, 2008 03:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for your response Koi some beautiful words there

Yes, I believe that Mars and Venus can act independently for me that is, because Venus is unaspected. You can see above how I formulated the operation of the two and how they operate independently. Obviously with an aspected Venus with other planets, as you say, Venus needs to negotiate with them.

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I also wonder if there is a sense of loneliness with an unaspected Venus when single. Is there? The reason I say this is because, there is an element of potential with people being partners when other aspects are being triggered. That is for example, a romance being triggered through Jupiter being trine to Venus.

Could that be why an unaspected Venus may seem intense? Due to the 'few and far between' nature of attractions?


Yes I guess there's "loneliness" in the sense of the detachment that I mentioned in the reply to bvanzy. I don't need to engage with others that much, it might be because though I'm Aqu Sun opp Saturn. I haven't had much love in terms others offering it, never get offered relationships much but that because I have been with my partner from my early days, I was never the one that the boys fell in love with or to turn people's head with admiration in the venereal sense. However, when it has happened, it has been quite intense and intense for both parties, so maybe the other person feels the unaspected Venus intensity as well, they see it act with full force. I guess it's a question of the right person with the right aspects to my Venus to tap into it, to activate it and make it proactive, otherwise, I'm passive again.

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posted September 30, 2008 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Here is the website that says we are lazy:
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-unaspectedplanets.htm

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Unaspected Venus- Venus unaspected in a chart is very rare and those who have it are very passive, peaceful and lazy ones. Very few of them become famous or successful. Such people are loving and giving and often well-loved and pampered in childhood. But they should take care that the materialistic side of Venus does not preceed the love element of Venus.

I guess fame is because people love you. If you are pure and uni-directional and can only inflict intense love in yourself and others, then you will not have wide following but rather a small and intense following because you can't cast your net wide so to speak, thus you can't be famous say like a pop star is.

Maybe that's another reason why I am attracted to JT. His Venus is conj his Sun, sextile Mars/Eros, opp Jup, widely but out of sign sextile Pluto. He is able to utilise his Venus in many directions but it is encumbered; maybe he fills the hole that I have in that regard.

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posted September 30, 2008 03:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Also if I have an aspected Venus, a multiple aspected Venus in Gemini/3rd (say like if I was JT and a girl) then:

* Males who have Venus in Gemini would find me attractive as well as Moon in Gemini** (as well as the other compatible signs but we'll stick to Gem only here)
* Venus sextile Mars - Men who seek a martian type woman might find me attractive
* Venus opp Jup - Men who seek a jovial type woman might find me attractive
* Venus sextile Pluto- Men who seek a plutonic type woman might find me attractive
* Venus conj Sun - Men who seek a solar type woman might find me attractive

With my Venus in Sag, only men with Moon or Venus** in Sag will find me attractive and intensely so. Men seeking a plutonic type, a lunar type etc wouldn't find me as attractive except if their Moon or Venus is somehow aspected to Jupiter.

** And other planets in compatible signs but we will stick to the planets that males look to determine their ideal female.

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posted September 30, 2008 05:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for spunknini     Edit/Delete Message
I was just poking around and saw your post & I agree with you about the detachment in regards to networking and socializing in general & you know my chart I think as we spoke not too long ago Libra sun Sag moon makes me pretty free wheeling as far as people go - I think it's a live & let live attitude combined with a little faith in what is meant to be will be - no more no less! and Venus may be in Scorpio but I feel that makes me passionate about those I love I fight for them & am devoted but I will never make them do something they dont want to - that to me is imposing on their freedom which is extremely important to me Jupiter in Aquarius speaking there!!!!

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posted September 30, 2008 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for annaf     Edit/Delete Message
"People can express Venus in a passive attainment of someone and their Mars in their aggressive attainment."

So will even men use their venus (passively) to attract a woman? Or does their venus only point to the type of women they like?

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posted September 30, 2008 04:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for EighthMoon     Edit/Delete Message
23-y

Just a thought, but take a look at your Valentine placement and aspects. There are lots of people who think of Venus as more of a surface love and Valentine as an agape kind of love.

Just curious to see if this seems to hold true for you.

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posted September 30, 2008 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message

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With people, its a different thing. My attitudes represent Venus unaspected. For example, when I apply for jobs, my attitude is that if they want me, they will come for me. My attitude towards friends is that if they want me, they come for me, in that way I'm terribly passive. I do not socially network, never have and never will. I feel detached to people because of this, I don't like to press or push people into doing things, if I do, I feel incredibly guilty and pushy.


I have alot of *passive* placements in my chart and thought that this attitude was due to that, but I never thought to attribute it to my unaspected venus (thats also an air singleton). Though now it all makes so much sense, because its mostly in romantic matters and thats probably what gets me in trouble alot of the time because alot of the time the other person kind of starts to assume I don't care. You would think I would've learned my lesson by now but passiveness is just a hard thing to get past in that realm. *facepalm* It used to be the case when searching for a job, but now I know better...hehehehe.

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