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Stenudd
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posted September 30, 2008 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stenudd     Edit/Delete Message
I checked the charts for Barack Obama, John McCain, Hillary Clinton, and Sarah Palin.
As I see it from those charts, McCain will win the election clearly. Obama will seem almost out of the race before election day, and he has a very bad year ahead of him. Sarah Palin will be Vice President, but never President. Hillary might retire from politics altogether.
Here are my readings: http://www.horoscoper.net

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PeaceAngel
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posted September 30, 2008 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PeaceAngel     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know much about predictive astrology - well, I don't know anything about it. But I seriously hope you're wrong. The idea of John McCain as President of the US scares me. He's not balanced or stable enough for that responsibility. Way too impulsive. It's a scary notion for everyone, not just Americans if he becomes President. And Palin is a joke. People will see through her lack of personality. But it comes down to numbers and who will bother to get up off their behind and vote. Here in Australia voting is compulsory. I believe it makes an enormous difference to the outcome. Even if you think you are going to make an apathetic vote - when you get there you realise you are there and that that is your voice. It really makes a difference.

But I will disagree with you. I believe Obama will be President. At the very least - given those two options - I certainly hope so.

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amowls
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posted September 30, 2008 11:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
I read your predictions, but the transits can be interpreted in a number of ways. Like for instance, transiting Saturn over Neptune in McCain's chart on election day. Couldn't that indicate crushing dreams?

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AcousticGod
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posted September 30, 2008 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
Long time no see, Stefan. Welcome back.

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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted September 30, 2008 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Stenudd,

I came to the same conclusions when looking at their charts, that McCain would win and Obama would lose, however I need to hold onto some "hope" and feed my "idealism" especially at this time with the way circumstances have been unfolding. One and only argument against what the charts may describe (and my argument might be weak), is that a chart reflects the candidates perspective. The fact the McCain's chart signals success could be his relief at not having to become president and Obama's chart could be suggesting the very real challenges he will inherit by taking on the grand responsibilities that he may not be fully prepared for.

I agree that his chart is not the chart of a President, that would cause much more incredible stress. It's amazing that when looking at Hilary Clinton's chart, she's got a very presidential looking chart, yet she did not win. Her chart shows amazing success around election day and the inaugeration.

That's all I got because it breaks my heart to watch the McCain/Palin ticket win. It means they will have stolen the election "fair and square". But that's how it's always done in this country, I'm not naive by any stretch of the imagination. If people would only study JFK election in detail, they will learn that Kennedy stole that election from Nixon.

But yes, I see the same things you're seeing and...oh well.

Geocosmic Valentine

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Lara
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posted September 30, 2008 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
LOL

Dear God
I really really hope you are wrong...

All l can say is "positive mental attitude" and everyone start visualising Obama as President.

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Geocosmic Valentine
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posted September 30, 2008 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Geocosmic Valentine     Edit/Delete Message
Amen, Lara.

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Stenudd
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posted September 30, 2008 04:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stenudd     Edit/Delete Message
Nice to be back and get such thoughtful response. I have to agree with you all: it would be much nicer, and a wonderful change, with Obama as president.

To Amowls: Saturn transiting over McCain's Neptune could mean crushing of dreams. I like the idea. But wouldn't that be an opposition? This is a conjunction, so I would rather describe it as a dream becoming dreadfully real.

To Geocosmic Valentine: I can't say that McCain's fortune is not having to be president. That's stretching it...
On the other hand, I have also considered if Obama's unfortunate transits for the coming year might indicate a presidency that turns out to be a huge burden for him (and considering the present financial crisis, it might very well). Still, I regard that as a less likely interpretation than that something happens that makes him lose the election - and a lot of political credibility.

I hope I'm wrong...

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Lara
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posted September 30, 2008 06:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
It's very scary Geo... to think that McCain/Palin might pick up this mess the USA is in!

Nice Angel and rainbow x

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writesomething
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posted October 01, 2008 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
Geo- thanks for another shine of hope! My astrologer friend who does it professionally said he thinks its a toss up, which honestly makes me feel a whole lot better. I remember when I first saw their charts, I thought "ah cr@p"...but then i kept analyzing it over and over, and realized maybe this is the change we need to happen in politics. Patterns and what use to be may no longer apply here.

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katatonic
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posted October 01, 2008 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
i looked at the horoscoper.net and he has put obama's birthtime at noon, which considerably alters it from the 7:24 that has been posted BY OBAMA on his birth cert!

the evening birthtime puts AQUA on the ascendant, which makes him look very much like a president to me.(6th house leo sun, saturn transiting the 7th making this the time when he really starts to shine!) furthermore, he is going to be experiencing his Jupiter return (conj) between election day and the inauguration.

i am reading these as very hopeful signs AND hoping that the voting public sees through mccain's sentimental campaign and palin's excess of aquarius (fanatic self-righteousness being a huge detriment in someone who will very likely inherit the presidency if mccain gets in...though we have had plenty of old men in the office he does not look fit to carry the term through!)

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jwhop
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posted October 01, 2008 03:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Do my eyes deceive me...or have I just seen the Obama birth certificate called a forgery?

In any event, look to the transits of the 10th House of Career on election day and understand McCain has both Mars in Leo.. very agressive sign and planet and Pluto in Cancer both transiting his 10 House.

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AcousticGod
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posted October 01, 2008 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I think your eyes do deceive you.

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Stenudd
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posted October 01, 2008 04:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stenudd     Edit/Delete Message
To Katatonik:
My first Obama chart was for noon, since that one was made before his birth certificate was published. But then I added the corrected chart, which did not make me change my prediction.
You find it on horoscoper.net

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jwhop
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posted October 01, 2008 04:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
"i looked at the horoscoper.net and he has put obama's birthtime at noon, which considerably alters it from the 7:24 that has been posted BY OBAMA on his birth cert!"

Perhaps you need to see to a new prescription acoustic.

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AcousticGod
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posted October 01, 2008 04:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
There's no implication of forgery there, Jwhop. None whatsoever.

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writesomething
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posted October 01, 2008 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
jhwop- noon is standard time astrologers use when they dont know a birth time of the person. Its pretty common theme to use 12 noon. She probably didnt know that....a lot of people didnt know Obama's birth time at first, and he obviously wrote it before Obama released his birth certificate.

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jwhop
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posted October 01, 2008 05:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, gee, I didn't know that astrologers use the default time of noon...when the birth time is unknown...just like my astrology program. Secret information there.

I had already suggested the chart for Sarah Palin which has a noon birth time may have been based on that time because the real birth time is not known.

Since Obama supporters insist the birth certificate posted on Obama's site is authentic...then it would seem this astrologer would correct the chart. New information and all that.


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writesomething
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posted October 01, 2008 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
well thats good you know that then, from the looks of what you wrote, i thought maybe you didnt. ive looked around online, and i havent found any official birth time...some are saying 7am...with aquarius rising, capricorn moon...which makes somewhat sense. her husband is a virgo sun/moon/mercury/uranus/pluto....cancer venusand mars..places his planets in either her 7th or 8th house, and venus/mars in her 5th.

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Glaucus
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posted October 01, 2008 06:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
After I saw Hillary's transits, I strongly doubted that she would be president. That was fall of last year.

On election day,
transiting Neptune in t-square to her Mercury square Saturn which to me indicate news of disappointment. It could also indicate potential for confusing,deceptive,illusive communications too. That configuration is common in scandals..

transiting Chiron also square her Venus, and that's "Impossible Dream" transit according to Magi Society. but in regular astrology, transiting Chiron square her Venus indicate relationships can involve pain.


I was thinking that could indicate a possible scandal involving Bill.

These transits aren't good for even a vice president either. It's a good thing that Hillary wasn't chosen for vice president.


I haven't deeply analyzed Obama's nor McCain's transits yet.

I used Magi Astrology for the last 2 elections,and I thought Bush would get elected president.


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writesomething
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posted October 01, 2008 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for writesomething     Edit/Delete Message
another thing about the 10th house.. I think many charts Ive come across have shown me just because you have a well aspected 10th house influence in your chart, doesnt mean youre going to become president, or even be successful.

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Stenudd
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posted October 01, 2008 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Stenudd     Edit/Delete Message
To Writesomething:
I agree with you: a strong 10th House is no guarantee of becoming president or having other evident success in society.
In my limited experience, the 11th House is more of an indicator of reaching a prominent position in society - or, symbolically speaking: being known by far more people than one knows.

As for the Obama corrected horoscope, based on his birth certificate, it is here:
http://www.horoscoper.net/horoscopes/barackobama-horoscope.htm

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jwhop
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posted October 01, 2008 07:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Stenudd, when I posted about the astrologer correcting Obama's birth chart I didn't realize you ARE horoscoper.net and had already done so and posted the link here.

Please accept my apologies.

I still think 10th House transits are going to be decisive in this election.

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Love
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posted October 01, 2008 08:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Love     Edit/Delete Message
I looked into Obama's *progressed* chart and he has Saturn and Jupiter both conjunct and retrograde in his 10th house. Also, his MC is now Capricorn.

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katatonic
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posted October 03, 2008 03:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
my apologies, stenudd, i guess i didn't get that far. sloppy and irresponsible of me, yes. it never occurred to me that you had another chart up your sleeve!

i had no intention nor did i accuse anyone of forging ANYTHING. i HAVE distinctly seen the chart cast from the OBAMA site version of his birth certificate. there is no reason to presume that the birthtime (7:24PM)is altered. what reason COULD there be? i don' t see obama as particularly interested in astrology, so why would he fiddle with that?

i think last night's debate adequately portrayed the downside of all those aquarius placements in Sarah Palin's chart. runaway disregard for the agenda and system she agreed to take part in...whenever she was unsure of her answer she just hijacked the topic and replaced it with her own ads for alaskan oil!

a capricorn moon would fit her to a t! and if it is in the 12th, although it might make her a bit more compassionate, it also makes her all the less conscious of her own motives...which is even more dangerous. if mccain gets in, and dies (not unlikely) we will have a pigheaded puppet for a president, one who won't even know she's a puppet until it's WAY too late - presuming she has anything besides WINNING in mind.

as to heavy placements, anyone who takes on this mess is going to have plenty of that. this is a stressful job, at the best of times. right now? got tranqs?

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