posted October 04, 2008 04:53 AM         

I know a male Leo with a Scorpio Mars and I could've sworn he was a Scorpio, before I found out.

In my case, Aries Sun/Capricorn Mars - that may work BUT my Moon is also in Capricorn.

posted October 04, 2008 05:00 AM         

I definitely agree with you. WE are experiencing all our personal planets, no matter if we are men or women.

In my case I may identify with my Sun and Mars-sign, but my Sun is also in my 1st house of self and my Mars conjuncts my ASC, so I think those masculine planets are strongly tied to my identity anyway.
But I also identify with my Moon and Venus.

Actually if I`m in a rather relaxed and neutral mood, I tend to express a lot of my Sun and Mars-sign, house and aspects (Sagittarius, 1st house, conjunct Mercury, conjunct NEptune).

But when my emotions are triggered in any way, it seems, that my Moon and Venus take over the lead, and it gets complicated (Aquarius / 2nd house, Capricorn / 1st house, quinkunx Saturn, square Pluto).

posted October 04, 2008 04:54 PM         

that is very interesting theory

so im virgo sun and mars in leo-meaning i am much more needing of attention than a virgo would?and that i appear to others more proud and excessive than a virgo would..i guess thatīs true.

posted October 04, 2008 05:43 PM         

I haven't noticed a difference between men and women and the strength with which their Mars is a part of them. We may consciously identify with and prefer the sign & aspects of, say, Venus over Mars, but every part of us is doing its thing.

I'm assuming you're female and straight. I wonder if we pick up on the Sun and Mars of the sex we're not attracted to, and the Moon and Venus of the sex we are attracted to?

Your observation is making me think that which personal planets we emphasize in a given interaction is dependent on the gender of our company. Not only will what we emphasize change, but maybe what others pick up on about us changes depending on their gender, and whether we're the sex they're attracted to or not.

posted October 04, 2008 07:35 PM         

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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

posted October 04, 2008 07:54 PM         

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I wonder if we pick up on the Sun and Mars of the sex we're not attracted to, and the Moon and Venus of the sex we are attracted to?

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posted October 04, 2008 07:58 PM         

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I've always wondered whether sun sign and HOUSE influenced the person's appearance. My sun is in my fifth house, and I think I really look like a leo - much more than a cancer or virgo anyway.

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posted October 05, 2008 06:58 AM         

I think, Mars shows how we actively express who we are.
It`s like the Sun describes who we generally are, and Mars describes how we act around other people (well, there are always other people around).

But that doesn`t mean we can`t feel or identify with our Moon or Venus. I for my part do identify with both of them.

But even though I do identify with my Venus, I think Venus may also show whom we are attracted to (after all Venus describes what we find attractive, beautiful etc.).
But then again, I fall out of all these surveys because of my natal placements.

Sun and Mars in Sagittarius in 1st house - therefore an important part of my self

Moon in Aquarius in 2nd house - 2nd house is till a part of the EGO-quadrant.

Venus in Capricorn in 1st house and ruling the 5th house - she seems to have a double role in my life. I do identify with Venusian traits are she falls into my 1st house, but on the other hand I also feel attracted to these traits in men, as Venus rules the 5th house, indicating what I am romantically attracted to.

OH and I even identify with my Mercury, as it is conjunct my Sun.

So, I fall out of these surveys. And I think maybe a lot of people do.
Personally I think that maybe each of us identifies with different planets more strongly, depending on how it is all integrated within the chart.

Example:
A man with Sun-Moon-conjunction would definitely identify with his Moon (as it is conjunct his Sun).

But what if a man has Moon in the beginning of Pisces, but his Sun, Mercury, Venus are in Aries in 1st house with ARies-ASC and his Mars is in Gemini in 3rd house?

I`d think that he would have at least some difficulties to identify with his Moon, as it seems to contradict everything else in his chart.

EDIT:
Traditionally we say that women identify more strongly with Moon and Venus and are attracted to Sun and Mars, while men identify with Sun and Mars and are attracted to Moon and Venus.

I`m still a bit uncertain, but somehow I donīt think that is right.
The stars and planets do not tell anything about one`s gender. But they symbolize certain traits like the Moon symbolizing the emotional nature of all of us, no matter if we are male or female.

However, I realized that projection is always a possibility.

But really, seeing that Sun and Mars are yang planets, the ones, that get active and express themselves actively, they may be the ones that are most strongly noticed outside.
Again, it depends what aspects there are and where they fall.

EDIT2:
Oh btw I am a friend of the 1st house-connections. I`ve always seen these traits as very dominant in a person, and not just on the surface or as a mask.
And how often I have cursed my Mars-Neptune-NN-conjunction on top of my ASC.

posted October 05, 2008 07:12 AM         

The First House is commonly referred to as the House of Self. The cusp of the First House is the home of the Ascendant, the Sign which was rising on the eastern horizon at the precise moment of one's birth. By thinking of this in terms of sunrise and new beginnings, one begins to grasp the concepts of the First House. The new beginnings here are centered around the individual: the self and the attendant voyage of discovery which defines a person. Who are you? What will you become? How do you realize your best self? The First House speaks to the realization of one's ultimate potential. This process of becoming a unique individual is one of the greatest contributions we make to the world in which we live.
The distinct qualities which we possess are often referred to as personality. The First House addresses the individual, his or her comportment and approach to life. In other words, the sum total of one's being. This is the package we give to the world. The packaging itself, or our outer being, is also governed by the First House -- think the physical body and the way in which we present ourselves, and in particular, the head and face.

Early childhood is also ruled by the First House. Everything from our earliest steps to our view of the emerging world is considered here. How will we develop? What is our view on life? It all begins at the beginning (the First House) and serves to shape us for all time.

In sum, the First House speaks to the person we are becoming and will become, both internally and externally. It addresses our personality and presentation to the world, our essential qualities, approach to life, demeanor and basic sensibilities. The inner self and outer body are what the First House is all about.

The First House is ruled by the Sign Aries and the Planet Mars."

http://www.astrology.com/aboutastrology/interpreting/houses/house1.html

posted October 05, 2008 10:58 PM         

It's so complicated though. Maybe we primarily notice our common ground with someone?

Something that's happened repeatedly in my life is that people with a strong Pisces or Neptune influence very quickly notice my own Pisces/Neptune energy. Similarly, I have a friend with Uranus on her Dsc. I have Uranus in my 1st house, so she's always seen me as very Uranian, while my other traits have been harder for her to see.