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Glaucus
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posted October 08, 2008 01:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Obama Hatred On Display Again At Palin Rally, Supporter Screams "Treason!"


In the latest instance of inflammatory outbursts at McCain-Palin rallies, a crowd member screamed "treason!" during an event on Tuesday after Sarah Palin accused Barack Obama of criticizing U.S. troops.
"[Obama] said, too, that our troops in Afghanistan are 'air raiding villages and killing civilians,'" Palin said, mischaracterizing a 2007 remark by Obama. "I hope Americans know that is not what our brave men and women in uniform are doing in Afghanistan. The U.S. military is fighting terrorism and protecting us and protecting our freedom."
Shortly afterward, a male member of the crowd in Jacksonville, Florida, yelled "treason!" loudly enough to be picked up by television microphones.
In the latest instance of inflammatory outbursts at McCain-Palin rallies, a crowd member screamed "treason!" during an event on Tuesday after Sarah Palin accused Barack Obama of criticizing U.S. troops.
"[Obama] said, too, that our troops in Afghanistan are 'air raiding villages and killing civilians,'" Palin said, mischaracterizing a 2007 remark by Obama. "I hope Americans know that is not what our brave men and women in uniform are doing in Afghanistan. The U.S. military is fighting terrorism and protecting us and protecting our freedom."
Shortly afterward, a male member of the crowd in Jacksonville, Florida, yelled "treason!" loudly enough to be picked up by television microphones.
At a McCain rally on Monday, television stations caught audio of a crowd member calling Obama a "terrorist," while Dana Milbank reported that "[o]ne Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, 'Sit down, boy.'" Also on Monday, at a Palin rally, one member of the audience yelled, "Kill him!"


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/obama-hatred-on-display-a_n_132572.html
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/10/06/in_fla_palin_goes_for_the_roug. html


"Mars has entered into Scorpio, and to me, I feel that competition will get more intense to the point that Republicans play on resentments,fears,prejudices,hate of voters."

On Election Day, Mars will be in alignment with the fixed star, Unukalhai

Alpha Serpentis *
Unukalhai Success followed by fall, suicide, insanity, accidents, success in war, politics, writing, problems in love, forgery, shipwreck, loss, earthquake 22° Scorpio 04 Unfortunate Saturn/ Mars http://www.astrologycom.com/fixedstars.html#Scorpio

Transiting Mars is squaring Sarah Palin's Moon-Mercury conjunction in Aquarius - which indicates extremely passionate emotional communications which can incite feelings of anger,violence,hate

There is more

I checked the placement of Eris and its nodes in her chart. In the research that I have done as well as the things that I have read from Zane Stein and Roy MacKinnon, I believe that Eris has to do with ideology,diversity matters which include not racism as well as bigotry of all kinds,civil/equal rights matters,intolerance/tolerance of others views, "I am right and you're wrong", "You are either with me or against me"(makes me think of George Bush's "You are with us or you are with the terrorists" as well as Anakin Skywalker talking to Obiwan right before they duel "If you are not with me, you are my enemy),terrorism

Eris in Aries in 9th (same placement as President Bush), and this can indicate a strong placement for ideological views, diversity matters a strong influence on certain beliefs

square the Lunar Nodal axis - '33 - karmic connections involving conflict with ideological views,diversity

semisquare Saturn - '05 - structured, conservative ideology...possibly rigid ideological views about diversity

square the Vertex - 1'16 - fated relationship connections involving conflict with ideological views,diversity

parallel Neptune - '43 - dissolution of boundaries,imagination,idealism involving diversity,ideological views...possible deception,illusion in regards to ideological views

Geocentric North Eris Node in 5'30 Taurus (present collective karma involving ideology,diversity matters,civil/equal rights matters
connected to security,stability,self -worth,possessions,money,tradition,steadiness,comfort)
square Moon - '37
conjunct Midheaven - 2'02 (2 minutes over the orb that I use)

Geocentric South Eris Node in 6'51 Scorpio (past collective karma involving ideoogy,diversity matters,civil/equal rights matters connected to intensity,transformation,sex,death,shared resources,taboos)
conjunct Imum Coeli - '02


I also checked the heliocentric Eris nodal axis

Heliocentric North Node in 5'28 Taurus(Heliocentric South Node in 5'28)
square Moon - 1'14
conjunct Midheaven - 1'25

right now Mars is in 2'37 Scorpio

and will be soon opposing and conjuncting the Geocentric Eris Nodes
There is a possibility more passion and possible violence connected to ideology,diversity matters...it could also just be anger about these issues

current Geocentric North Eris Node in 6'20 Taurus
current Geocentric South Eris Node in 5'35 Scorpio

Transits in regards to Eris:

Transiting Eris conjunct her Secondary Progressed Mercury - '18 applying
- communications involving ideology,diversity matters

Transiting retrograde Mercury oppose Natal Eris - 2'28 applying
- communications involving ideology,diversity matters

(by the time, transiting Mercury oppose Natal Eris is coming within 1 degree orb, her communications will more likely be more controversial in regards to ideology,diversity matters

Solar Arcs in regards to Eris: (I had hunch that she is having Eris solar arcs)

Solar Arc Saturn conjunct Natal Eris - '12 applying
- structured, conservative ideology...possibly rigid ideological views about diversity

Solar Arc Eris square Natal Saturn - '23 applying
- structured, conservative ideology...possibly rigid ideological views about diversity

double whammy solar arc-natal involving Saturn and Eris, and they add to her natal energy of her Saturn semisquare Eris.
so a triple whammy involving Saturn-Eris energy!


I also checked Eris in composite with John McCain


composite chart
Eris conjunct South Lunar Node - '50
- the past involving ideology,diversity matters

Moon parallel Eris - '10
- emotions,feelings involving ideology,diversity matters


Sarah Palin: 11 Feb 1964, 4:40 pm, Sandpoint, ID

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jwhop
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posted October 08, 2008 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
"Sarah Palin accused Barack Obama of criticizing U.S. troops.
"[Obama] said, too, that our troops in Afghanistan are 'air raiding villages and killing civilians,'" Palin said, mischaracterizing a 2007 remark by Obama."

Mischaracterizing O'Bomber's statement Glaucus?

Well hardly a mischaracterization at all Glaucus. O'Bomber's running off at the mouth when his brain is disengaged is even worst than what Palin said.

This is the video. For English speakers, please note that O'Bomber used the word "just" to preface his remark about US military forces..."just air raiding villages and killing civilians there"

According to O'Bomber...the only thing we're doing in Afghanistan IS air raiding villages and killing civilians there...because using "just" in that manner means O'Bomber excludes every other kind of activity by US forces in Afghanistan. We're not building schools, not building roads, not hunting down and capturing or killing Taliban and al-Qaeda terrorists, not protecting civilians from terrorist attacks..or anything else. "We're JUST air raiding villages and killing civilians there". That's what O'Bomber actually said.

This is the video and it's indisputable that O'Bomber prefaced his comment with the word "just". It's an insult to America that the far left socialist demoscat party would nominate such a Marxist radical to be Commander in Chief of US military forces.

Sarah Palin's comment is dead on target.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrW4fOGIMVY

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posted October 08, 2008 10:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tigerlily     Edit/Delete Message
Why is this in the Astrology forum and not Global Unity?

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jwhop
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posted October 08, 2008 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Ask Glaucus. I know he knows where the GU forum is located.

Actually, I know why it's here and not there.

Glaucus thought he was going to get away with taking a gratuitous shot at Sarah Palin.

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posted October 08, 2008 10:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tigerlily     Edit/Delete Message
You responded though. And then you just responded with a dig at Glaucus. So it appears you thought you could get away with taking a gratuitous shot at Glaucus.

Can a mod please move this thread to GU? I come to the Astrology forum to talk and read about astrology, not politics.

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jwhop
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posted October 08, 2008 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Not at all. If someone here decides to post a political statement and also decides to mischaracterize what was said or done...then expect to get a response.

Since Glaucus knows where GU is, then it would seem to me that your argument should be made to Glaucus.

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Glaucus
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posted October 08, 2008 10:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Why should my post be moved????? Why doesn't it belong in here???

It's Astrological. It has a lot of astrological content

That's why I have gone over Mars in Scorpio,Unukalhai alignment with Mars on election day, and a numerous things in regards to Eris including its nodes as well as transits,secondary progressions,and solar arcs


it also fits with Sociological Astrology

as long as it has astrology in it, it fits with in the astrological forum.

I went very in depth astrologically.....it is also a post mainly in regards to Eris as I have done a lot of Eris posts in the past, and lot of of them had to do with diversity matters,civil/equal rights matters,advocacy,terrorism,and controversy which I and some other astrologers believe Eris is about.


Sarah Palin's rallies fit right in with Eris.....sure enough Sarah Palin has a strong Erisian influence.. My hunch that she has Eris solar arcs has been confirmed too.

There is no rule against Sociological Astrological nor Political Astrology posts. I will keep on posting them too...especially when I am doing posts on Eris.

If my post did not contain Astrology, then it belongs in Global Unity

but

because my post is a sociological astrological post with a lot of astrological content,it does belong in here


the last time I checked,this astrological forum is not only about soulmates,romance,and asking questions/advice about their charts.

also many times here, I have helped people with Astrology.

I have also posted a lot of Eris research posts in the past too...as well as sociological Astrology. There is no rule against that. Of course, I posted things like golden section aspects,cosmobiology,magi astrology,evolutionary astrology,planetary nodes as well as other astronomical points in astrology. I also posted astrological posts about neurodivergent conditions.


Therefore, I don't think this thread should be moved...especially just because somebody doesn't want to read it nor because somebody has different view of what this post is about.


This is strictly astrological....nothing political about it except for the subject....if anything it's more sociological as it's focused on diversity matters. There are no political views on my part. Everything that I typed after the article was astrological.


If you don't like it, then just don't read it and ignore it.


Like I said before, this is a sociological astrological post. There is not a single rule that bans sociologial astrology nor political astrology.

I am not into just discussing about soulmates,my chart,as well as other things. I like to do astrological posts on other things like world affairs and issues in the world as well as historical people that include not only politicians,leaders,but also activists,advocates. I have also posted things from an evolutionary astrology perspective...especially when I include geocentric planetary nodes which Jeffrey Wolf Green uses in Evolutionary Astrology.

I have already recently posted a Magi Astrological post about stock market crashes too...I intend to post more about financial Astrology in the future.


jwhop,
as for the stuff about Barack Obama, I disagree with you. I am not going to say any more. I am not going to get into the politics as this is not a political thread. This is a sociological astrological thread. Also, I don't agree with you referring to Obama(an African name) as O'Bomber. I wouldn't be referring to somebody named Martinez as Martini or Pastorini as Pasta. I believe in respecting people's names and not twisting their names.

That's all I have to say


Peace,

Raymond

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posted October 08, 2008 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
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As a Ram, Linda had a fiery passion for her beliefs, and we do encourage others here to do likewise. There will be no censorship here, and freedom of expression and speech rules supreme, but please be courteous and respectful of others while doing so. Linda had a talent for speaking her Mind without offending others. Let's try to do likewise. She was very opinionated, and when we debate with each other in a loving manner, we do her name justice.

No profanity or personal insults please, and yes this is an astrology forum, so shall we try and stick to the subject matter?

Though I reckon this reminder will be about as successful as the half-an-hour lecture I just gave my son about getting into fights.

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Glaucus
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posted October 08, 2008 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

let me revisit a post that I did about Eris.


Obama has a strong Eris influence that includes the following:

Sun-Eris Bilevel
(Sun trine/contraparallel Eris)

Based on reading Zane Stein's article and his keywords as well as Roy
MacKinnon's keywords and the charts that I have looked at, I believe
that Eris has to do with stirring stuff up, controversy, ideology,
civil/equal rights matters, standing up for self/others, advocacy,
bigotry, racism, minorities, race relations, diversity, .....all
those things are connected to each other too.

I don't believe that Eris is just about discord and controversy. I
think that there is more to it. That's like saying Pluto is just
about the underworld because Pluto/Hades is the God of the
underworld. Juan Revilla made good points that we can't just rely on
the name of the object for its astrological meaning. Uranus
personality traits fit more with Prometheus than the god, Uranus even
though Uranus/Ouranos was the sky god. Neptune personality traits fit
more with Dionysus/Bacchus even though Neptune was the sea god. I
looked at some asteroid stuff in regards to that. Juan Revilla said
that it's important to consider the orbital symbolism of the objects.
Philip Sedgwick takes into account the nodes and perihelion/aphelion
of the object.

Astronomical-oriented astrologers including Philip Sedgwick, Juan
Revilla, Zane Stein don't rely on the name of objects to derive
meaning from it.

Some of them suggested names to the astronomers that were accepted
for some centaurs after studying their orbits, physical properties.
Nessus was the first. http://www.zanestein.com/page4_2.htm


this is what Philip Sedgwick said
Star Blogs ~ The Galactic Times
Planet With No Name (Yet) ~ 02 Feb 2008

"So if you were Neil Young traversing the desert night sky on a
planet with no name, how could you derive any meaning for it? One,
consider its nature, uniqueness and physical profile. Two, assign
interpretive delineations by pondering the sign and degree of
critical orbital elements, specifically the node and closest point
the body makes to the Sun."

the closest point of the object makes to the sun is called the
Perihelion.

Here is some stuff by Juan Revilla who believes in the orbital
symbolism should be used to determine an object's astrological
meaning and not the name.


ORBITAL SYMBOLISM IN ASTROLOGY http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/essays/paradigm.html


Zane Stein even added Persephone/Proserpina symbolism in his Eris
keywords. Michael Brown wanted to name Eris "Persephone", and he even
said that it was like Persephone. He said that half of the time, Eris
orbits away from Pluto. But the names, "Persephone" and "Proserpina"
were given to asteroids. Obviously, astronomers gave mythological
names too readily. Michael Brown did give the name Eris after all the
discord among the astronomers. Methinks..that there could be
astrologers in discord. Many astrologers don't agree on many things
in Astrology like orbs are hotly debated.


I was thinking how Ceres and Pluto are made equals in Astronomy
because of the discovery of Eris, and how it can seem similar to how
Pluto/Hades and Ceres/Demeter shared equal amount of time with
Proserpina/Persephone.
Pluto got demoted to minor planet and assigned a minor planet number.
Ceres got promoted to dwarf planet. Therefore, Pluto and Ceres are
equals in astronomy. Pluto got the same treatment as Ceres. Ceres was
classed as a planet but got it's planetary status stripped after the
realization that it is one of many objects in the asteroid belt
between Mars and Jupiter. Now Pluto's planetary status is stripped
after the realization that it is one of many objects in the Kuiper
Belt. After they found Eris, the need to make a definition of what
planet had to be made. Astronomers even hypothesize there could be a
dozen Plutos out there and even some Mars-sized objects. Any
ways...Ceres and Pluto were made equals because of Eris, and so
that's one of the reasons that I believe Eris has to do with equal
rights, civil rights issues.. I am seeing Eris in civil rights, equal
rights events....especially involving Black civil rights issues. Eris
can be related to minority rights issues. Eris' Perihelion is in
Libra seems to reflect the equality, fairness, getting along that
Eris seems to call for. Eris' Aphelion in Aries seems to reflect the
war, conflict, aggression, trouble that Eris is known for causing.
Eris' North Node in Taurus seems to reflect the solidarity. It can
also be the stubbornness, materialism that often causes problems in
society and creates division between people. Eris' South Node in
Scorpio seems to reflect the transformation, rebirth, but also
revenge, resentment that often connection to division of humanity and
linked to racism.

When I think of Eris, I think of taking sides, forced to decide
between two things, torn between two factions, dilemmas, "If you are
not with me, you are against me", betrayal, resentment that happens
after choosing a side, creating a bridge, narrowing the gap

Eris orbits beyond Saturn, and so it seems like it can relate to the
metaphysical. It is a kuiper belt object like Pluto, and so it can
seem to relate to intensity, transformation, and rebirth. Eris' orbit
is more unusual than Pluto for its not only it's more elliptical, but
it is tilted 44.187 degrees relative to the plane of the solar
system. Pluto's orbit is only inclined 17 degrees. That would reflect
that Eris relates to being a nonconformist as well as being
divergent.


Based on reading Zane Stein's article and his keywords as well as Roy
MacKinnon's keywords and the charts that I have looked at, I believe
that Eris has to do with stirring stuff up, controversy, ideology,
civil/equal rights matters, standing up for self/others, advocacy,
bigotry, racism, minorities, race relations, diversity, .....all
those things are connected to each other too.

It could be racial relations stuff like the racial divide,
interracial relationships, interracial marriages, interracial family
connections,and interracial parentage. It it could be the
multiracial. It could even be international relations. It could be
like tolerance/intolerance of divergence, diversity, minorities(not
necessarily race, ethnic...but even religion, sexual orientation,
etc). It's the intolerance of divergents, diversity, minorities that
lead to equal/civil rights issues.


Barack Obama is definitely a racial minority, he comes across as
divergent to many, and he seems to believe in acceptance/tolerance of
diversity by many(note:I didn't say most nor all), he comes from a
family background that is diverse. He's a civil rights lawyer. Of
course, he's viewed as being Muslim by many people(note: I didn't say
most nor all). Of course,many Muslims are frowned upon here in USA.
He also has a highly controversial minister who gets called racists
after pointing out the racism here in USA that is even confirmed by
the United Nations. Being biracial black and white,he was torn
between the white and black races like many biracial black and white
people. Even in this day and age, "the one drop rule" is still in
effect. A biracial people tend to have no choice but identify mainly
with minority race because that's how society will view them
as....especially if they are part black. With him in the presidential
race,the need to create a bridge between blacks and whites and deal
with the race divide is very obvious.

Roy, Zane, Francisco, and Phil have some very good preliminary
keywords for Eris, and they go well beyond discord. The Eris research
that I did seem to support their keywords.

Roy MacKinnon's Eris' Keywords:
Striving to achieve one's goals and refusing to capitulate to the
pressure of unjust treatment and discord from abusive authority :
with great inner conviction and single-mindedness of purpose
following a path of high attainment and enlightenment notwithstanding
adversity - alternatively refusing the call to transform with
mediocrity and underachievement as consequences: issues around power
abuse of minorities, the defenceless, the alien: networks,
multinational countries and companies, the world- wide web: piracy,
terrorism, clash of ideologies: conflict between desires of
personality and pursuit of the inner call: persecution of the
spiritually aware person who stands alone courageously acting
according to conscience: an outstanding individual ahead of the
times.

Zane Stein's Eris Keywords:
Loss of innocence, entrance into adulthood; child's trauma being
separated from parent; acceptance of unavoidable changes; dying and
being reborn (as opposed to Pluto which rules the causes/processes of
death and rebirth); internal split causing longing to be whole, the
longing of the soul for its other half; the subject/object of a
debate, argument, competition, conflict or war...what stirs people to
fight or disagree; fighting for one's rights; strife and discord;
pitting one side against the other; competition, contests and
tournaments; struggles for supremacy; rivalry; a test of skills or
abilities; love of fighting or debate; what one has at stake in a
competition, dispute or conflict, or one's perspective of what is
being fought over; refusing to relinquish one's hold on an ideal,
belief, cause, or object...'not budging an inch'; the problems
resulting from irreconcilable differences; contrasting different
perspectives; comparing thesis and antithesis in the search for
truth; contrasting opposing viewpoints to reveal each side more
clearly, to seek similarities as well as differences; contrasting
logical thought processes to show the limitations of logic;
identifying with, or trying to understand, first principles;
incongruous juxtapositions to force one to think outside of the box;
the ethics connected with one's motives and methods, and the coming
to light of less than spotless methods; the roots of one's
motivations; piracy, defrauding, swindling; society's ethics; race
intent.

Francesco Schiavinotto's Keywords:
Dam; Damming; Obstruction; Obliteration; To be opposite; Aversion for
the Extraneous; To obstacle the Alien; False Adaption between
Different Matters; Reciprocal Aversion; Feeling to be Invaded;
Resistance; Incommunicability; Controversial Figure; Ecological
Incompatibility; Underground Instability


It's Eris' Co-Discoverer, Michael Brown that seemed to give the clue
to Eris' meaning

"She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them
think their opinions are right and everyone else's is wrong, " Brown
said. "It really is just perfect." )
www-tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html

That seems to fit with
controversy,ideology,diversity,divergence,considerate/inconsiderate
of viewpoints/opinions/beliefs/values,bigotry,terrorism, redefining
boundaries)......Honestly, I think that it not only fits with any
belief system but also even Astrology(look at how much diversity is
in Astology that involves so much disagreement that even Steven
Forrest ,who has Moon conjunct Eris, refers to the issue as Tower
Babel and stated that the idea of "One True Astrology" is a myth and
destructive). I even think that Eris might even be a co-ruler of
Astrology.

The Tower of Babel applies to the whole planet in general for there
is much diversity with much intolerance,miscommunications,and
misunderstandings.


Many Christians used the Tower of Babel story in the Bible as an
excuse for segregation,interracial marriage bans

for example:

In June 1958, two residents of Virginia, Mildred Jeter, a Negro
woman, and Richard Loving, a white man, were married in the District
of Columbia pursuant to its laws. Shortly after their marriage, the
Lovings returned to Virginia and established their marital abode in
Caroline County. At the October Term, 1958, of the Circuit Court of
Caroline County, a grand jury issued an indictment charging the
Lovings with violating Virginia's ban on interracial marriages. On
January 6, 1959, the Lovings pleaded guilty to the charge and were
sentenced to one year in jail; however, the trial judge suspended the
sentence for a period of 25 years on the condition that the Lovings
leave the State and not return to Virginia together for 25 years. He
stated in an opinion that:

"Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red,
and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the
interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such
marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not
intend for the races to mix." http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/loving.html

Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1 (1967)[1], was a landmark civil rights
case in which the United States Supreme Court declared Virginia's
anti-miscegenation statute, the "Racial Integrity Act of 1924",
unconstitutional, thereby overturning Pace v. Alabama (1883) and
ending all race-based legal restrictions on marriage in the United
States.


In Eris' discovery chart, Moon in 10'57 Scorpio in 7th house square
Babel in 9'31 Leo in 5th which seems to fit the issues
dealing with interracial relationships as well as their offspring.
Tower of Babel seems to fit with Eris. http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/Astynaz/ErisDiscoveryAstrology
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Raymond


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posted October 08, 2008 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
"jwhop,
as for the stuff about Barack Obama, I disagree with you. I am not going to say any more. I am not going to get into the politics as this is not a political thread. This is a sociological astrological thread. Also, I don't agree with you referring to Obama(an African name) as O'Bomber. I wouldn't be referring to somebody named Martinez as Martini or Pastorini as Pasta. I believe in respecting people's names and not twisting their names...Glaucus"

Glaucus, O'Bomber is O'Bomber and that's fitting for someone who says he would bomb Pakistan..an ally in the war on terror and terrorists but, he would sit down and talk without preconditions with screaming, screeching, shrieking.."Death to America" terrorist lunatics like the President of Iran...Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who denies the Holocaust and says Iran is going to wipe Israel off the map of the world.

You made this thread political when you posted the trash you posted from Huffington Post. That post contained a lie you would have discovered...if you had been the least interested in the truth about what O'Bomber said.

I don't care whether or not you have anything else to say on this subject. From what you've already posted, you've taken this thread into the realm of politics.

Now Glaucus, exactly where did you obtain the birth time for Sarah Palin? Are any of your astrological calculations based on that birth time?

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posted October 08, 2008 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
jwhop,

This post was about the hatred,racial epithet,cultural divisiveness,and the mentioning of connections with terrorism at Sarah Palin's rallies that can be seen as very controversial from a racial relations perspective. Therefore, this fits with sociological astrology. That was the intention in the thread. not politics.


BTW..I strongly disagree with Palin. This country is imperfect. It has serious race relations issues as well as intolerance,bigotry,discrimination in other things like religion,homosexuals,and even some immigrants(especially if they are not from European countries),neurodivergents,the mentally ill,and even sexism is a problem in this country. Some of these are overt and a lot of these are subtle. There is a strong racial divide when it comes to how much racism there is in USA. Even American Civil Liberties Union called out USA on its racism and sweeping it under the rug. There has always been a lot of racism,but it's more subtle now. We have gone a long way,but we still have a long way to go to achieve my fellow Pisces Moon,Dr. Martin Luther King Jr's dream. As a son of black man and white woman, I strongly want this dream to be realized in all its entirety. Heck..I would love interracial marriages in USA increase from the current 5 percent we have now. I would also love to see gay marriage legal in every state because I believe gay marriage should be a civil right just like interracial marriage is a civil right which was once denied. Others' religious beliefs shouldn't keep gays from being married to each other just like they shouldn't keep interracial couples from marrying each other. Even Mildred Loving supports legalization of gay marriage, and she's the wife in the couple Loving vs. Virginia Supreme Court Ruling that led to striking down all interracial marriage bans.

"Since that landmark Loving v. Virginia ruling, the number of interracial marriages has soared; for example, black-white marriages increased from 65,000 in 1970 to 422,000 in 2005, according to Census Bureau figures. Factoring in all racial combinations, Stanford University sociologist Michael Rosenfeld calculates that more than 7% of America's 59 million married couples in 2005 were interracial, compared to less than 2% in 1970.

"Coupled with a steady flow of immigrants from all parts of the world, the surge of interracial marriages and multiracial children is producing a 21st century America more diverse than ever, with the potential to become less stratified by race."

"About 6.8 million described themselves as multiracial — 2.4% of the population — adding statistical fuel to the ongoing debate over what race really means." http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2007-04-12-interracial-marriage_N.htm

I believe the considerable increase of interracial marriages and multiracial children is great. I hope that there will be more considerable increases too. I love mixing it up myself just like my parents loved mixing it up. I take pride in the diversity of our country,but I am ashamed of the intolerance of the diversity in our country. Everywhere in the USA,I would love to walk with my white mother without getting dirty looks. Everywhere in the USA, I would love to walk with the white woman that I love without being look at as weird or like I am a pimp and she's a tramp. Many other people in interracial relationships,interracial families, and other multiracial people share the same sentiments with me.


I am idealist in that I wish that we would all get along,but I am a realist to know that racism is still a problem in our country. All racism is wrong..doesn't matter if it's black,white,hispanic,red,purple,etc.

I don't like it when people get all selfrighteous and act all indignant when people get called out on the truth of the intolerance and bigotry in our country. That's when I give a rebuttal. There is a lot of self righteous hypocrisy in this country. It's a big problem.

btw...Obama was talking about capturing Bin Laden in Pakistan. He wasn't talking about bombing Pakistan in regards to killing Pakistanis. He said if Pakistanis don't do anything about capturing Bin Laden,the USA should take action,and get Ossama themselves. any ways, I don't believe in twisting people's names out of disrespect.

at least, he wasn't singing "Bomb..Bomb..Bomb..Bomb Iran" like McCain did.

in regards to my own Eris influence

Retrograde Eris in Aries in 8th
sextile Midheaven - 1'01
quincunx Ascendant - 1'12
sextile North Node in Aquarius in 5th - 1'45
trine Jupiter - 3'57
oppose Uranus - 3'02
parallel Mars - '47
contraparallel Pluto - '20

Geocentric and Heliocentric South Eris Node in 5'30 Scorpio
conjunct Sun - '10
quincunx Saturn - '23


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posted October 08, 2008 02:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
Glad I found this, Glaucus, I am going to put the link, in a string I started in Global Unity..Politics And The Stars...

All my love, with all my heart
To ALL. ...

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posted October 08, 2008 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
The only people playing the race card in this election are you Glaucus..and other O'Bomber supporters..in the news media and on O'Bomber's campaign staff.

Hahaha, you don't "capture" bin Laden with a "Hellfire missile" or a laser guided smart bomb.

The thing O'Bomber and bin Laden have in common is they both have friends who have bombed the Pentagon.

Glaucus, was there an answer to my questions:

"Now Glaucus, exactly where did you obtain the birth time for Sarah Palin? Are any of your astrological calculations based on that birth time?"

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posted October 08, 2008 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
http://planetwaves.net/pagetwo/2008/09/05/hurricane-sarah-astrology-continued-a-birth-data-pedigree/

"Dear Lynn -- There needs to be a correction on the reporting of Sarah Palin's birth data. I'm not a friend of Sarah Palin's, nor would I ever be. I'm a friend friend of Sally McDonald's at Astroworld. I gave Sally the information via Margie Herskovitz which I received from Karen McCauley via email. I later received word from an AFAN email confirming a BC:

"Astrologer Gregg DeLaCastro reports Sarah Palin's birth information as

AA: Quoted BC/BR

February 11, 1964
4:40 PM
Sandpoint, Idaho"

Please make sure that my name is not linked personally with that of the Governor of Alaska.

Claudia Dikinis http://starcats.com http://blog.beliefnet.com/astrologicalmusings/2008/09/sarah_palins_astrological_char_comments.html

also with the 4:40 PM birthtime....the Heliocentric Mars Nodes square Ascendant with only 16 minutes of arc, and that can indicate her "pitbullness"
She also has Heliocentric Mercury Nodes square Ascendant with 1'40 Orb
The heliocentric Mercury and Mars nodes are conjunct and they square her Ascendant, and fits with being a passionate communicator who can incite hatred and violence by how she communicates.

a lot of astrologers don't use the planetary nodes, but Grant Lewi and Carl Payne Tobey did. So do Diana Rosenberg,Phil Sedgwick,Roy MacKinnon,and Pamela Rowe.

Heliocentric planetary nodes are collective planetary energies, and so planets aspecting planetary nodes can be more significant than planets aspecting planets themselves.
http://mysite.verizon.net/bonniehill/pages.aux/astrology/tobey/tobey.14.html
http://www.astrologycosmobiology.com.au/planetary_nodes.html

the following is from Pamela Rowe's article on heliocentric planetary nodes:
The HELIOCENTRIC Planetary Nodes are the points where two planetary orbits intersect, as considered from the viewpoint of the sun. The GEOCENTRIC Planetary Nodes are points where a planet's orbit intersects the ecliptic, from the viewpoint of the earth. This article covers the Heliocentric Planetary Nodes only.

Both the Heliocentric Mean Nodes and the variable positions of the ascending and descending Geocentric Planetary Nodes can be found on 'Solar Fire' astrological software.

The Heliocentric Mean Nodes move very slowly -- at approximately one degree per century, which may account for the fact that they are often overlooked. Their positions as listed in the Larousse 'Encyclopedia of Astrology' for January 1, 1980 are as follows:-

HELIOCENTRIC NORTH AND SOUTH NODES - JANUARY 1, 1980

MERCURY 17.59 Taurus (North Nodes) and 17.59 Scorpio (South Nodes)
MARS 19.24 Taurus (North Nodes) and 19.24 Scorpio (South Nodes)
URANUS 14.01 Gemini (North Nodes) and 14.01 Sagittarius (South Nodes)
VENUS 16.30 Gemini (North Nodes) and 16.30 Sagittarius (South Nodes)
JUPITER 10.14 Cancer (North Nodes) and 10.15 Capricorn (South Nodes)
PLUTO 19.54 Cancer (North Nodes) and 19.54 Capricorn (South Nodes)
SATURN 23.30 Cancer (North Nodes) and 23.30 Capricorn (South Nodes)
NEPTUNE 11.33 Leo (North Nodes) and ll.33 Aquarius (South Nodes)
Plus ..
CHIRON 29.09 Libra (North Nodes) and 29.09 Aries (South Nodes)

MIXING AND MATCHING
Comparison of the Heliocentric Planetary Nodes with the Geocentric Natal chart is very effective. The concept of comparing Heliocentric planet positions with the geocentric chart is not new. In "Revolutionizing Astrology with Heliocentric", T.Patrick Davis outlines some fascinating research in this area.
It is likely that Heliocentric Planetary Node contacts in your natal chart pinpoint areas where you relate to the 'world at large'. In particular, conjunctions and major aspects to the natal Ascendant and Midheaven reinforce and add new dimensions of understanding as to what is perceived as your life path.
Natal planets aspecting a Planetary Node or Nodes will be coloured by the energy of that Planetary Node, providing answers to questions not previously explained by planetary aspects alone. One of my students commented that the "Planetary Nodes fill out the horoscope and reveal ways that the otherwise unrepresented parts weave in with the dominant configurations." -- Good observation

PLANETARY NODES -- ORBS
Obviously the closer the orb the more powerful the influence. Because the Mercury/Mars and Venus/Uranus Nodes are close pairs, tight orbs are essential. The Saturn and Pluto nodes, three and a half degrees apart, are also close. A 2 degree orb between a natal planet and a Planetary Node position is considered reasonable.
Whilst say a 4 degree orb between an accurately descriptive Planetary Node to a natal Ascendant and Midheaven may be acceptable for some, it also gives scope for slight rectification of a given birth time.

PLANETARY NODES -- INTERPRETATION
Traditionally the North Node of any body represents 'intake' whilst the South Node represents 'release'. Because release can be more painful than intake, the South Node does not flow as smoothly as the North Node. As in all successful interpretation, the secret of working with the Planetary Nodes is the same as all our other astrological interpretations, that is to understand the message provided and 'move with the correct flow'.

MERCURY NODES provide further insight into mental faculties and communication skills.
VENUS NODES highlight relationships, extravagance and artistic talents.
MARS NODES indicate assertive, aggressive behaviour, sporting prowess, accidents and operations.
JUPITER NODES highlight philosophy, education, travel and the concept of expansion and protection.
SATURN NODES indicate security, sometimes over-emphasised, ambition and hardships.
URANUS NODES show clever, inventive and freedom-loving traits and determined self-will.
NEPTUNE NODES indicate artistic and theatrical talents, plus areas of sensitivity and emotional confusion.
PLUTO NODES highlight determination, domination and exploration.
CHIRON NODES express care for the wounded soul, lessons learnt or taught.

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posted October 08, 2008 04:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tigerlily     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry, Glaucus, I didn't scroll slowly enough to see the astrology part of your post. I just saw the news item and then jwhop's response. You're right, this does belong in this forum as you did post Palin's astrological info. I apologize for jumping the gun without seeing your entire post. And I for one appreciate all you contribute here at LL.

And jwhop, no offense, but you lose all credibility in your "debate" when you resort to infantile name calling. When you have to call Obama "O'Bomber" you've already lost the argument.

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posted October 08, 2008 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry Tiger but that's bs. Either this is the astrology forum and not the political forum or it's not. Posting political bs here is sure to draw a response and more so when the political statement is a lie.

I don't care how many O'Bomber supporters are here or whom they intend to vote for...or against. But using lies to further the cause of your..generic you...candidate isn't going to fly under the radar without a response and it's not going to help the "cause".

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posted October 08, 2008 05:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
OK Glaucus. It seems this birth time comes from someone who told someone, who told someone and I wouldn't bet on it.

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posted October 08, 2008 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SilverFairy     Edit/Delete Message
JWhop,

The "O'bomber" BS is getting old. If you want to state whatever point it is you feel you need to make fine! But At least state the mans name properly and stop acting like a DOUCHE! It's pathetic and you need to grow up!

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posted October 08, 2008 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SilverFairy     Edit/Delete Message
Glaucus, First of all thank you for your posts I do enjoy reading them and appreciate the time you take.

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posted October 08, 2008 09:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message
Sorry if your delicate sensibilities are offended Silver but any candidate for President who publicly states they would bomb a friendly nation and ally and thereby touched off protests in that friend and allies major cities....that candidate fully deserves the moniker O'Bomber.

Considering there have been numerous attempts to assassinate Musharraf because of his assistance to the United States, that very public statement only fueled the fires of those against the US in Pakistan and against Musharraf.

That very public statement...intended to show how macho O'Bomber is to his devoted cult followers also shows why O'Bomber isn't ready for prime time.

One would think at least one of his 300 foreign policy..so called experts would have warned O'Bomber to keep his trap shut. They're not ready for prime time either.

Now Silver, do you have anything of actual substance to say...since you decided to jump in?

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posted October 08, 2008 10:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lynx     Edit/Delete Message
I find it refreshing to find people such as jwhop that aren't falling for Obama like he's the second coming of Christ. It's one thing to look at the faults of both sides fairly, it's another to act like the man craps gold.

And I'm glad Palin spoke out against him. McCain has been playing far too nice.


But Obama is going to win anyway. I've known for a few years now, and today the polls came in. 86% say Obama won the last debate. Unless the media is being biased, he's going to win.
I want to like him, but I know he's wrong.
At least when he screws up, I'll get to say, "I didn't vote for him."

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I'm mad, you're mad, we're all mad. - Cheshire Cat

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posted October 09, 2008 01:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
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The only people playing the race card in this election are you Glaucus..and other O'Bomber supporters..in the news media and on O'Bomber's campaign staff.

And all the people who refuse to vote for a black man or emphasize his arabic middle name. It's ridiculous how in this day and age people like you can be so blind and turn the other way and say "THERE IS NO RACISM! NOPE! NOT HERE!"

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posted October 09, 2008 02:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lynx     Edit/Delete Message
Then you get my friend on the phone who says, "I don't want another old, white man for President." Guess what color she is.

And being multiethnic, do not get me started on race. It's nice being in the middle of all the races, where the even the minorities want to know what percentage of what someone is, if they identify as a particular race, if their skin is the right shade to be that race, if they date black and if not, they must be trying to run from their blackness. Took Barack Obama speaking with Sharpton for blacks to begin to accept him.

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posted October 09, 2008 07:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
Okay, I'm half Asian and half white, but I identify more as white. I know what it's like to think you "belong" but then get treated as an outsider.

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[random]
1]You're an idiot if you only vote for someone for his/her color/race/name etc

2]Everyone knows the war in Iraq is all about the oil.
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