posted October 08, 2008 07:58 AM         

I`ve read that sexual captivations happen, if there are

1. Saturn bonds

2. Juno sexual linkages

I have some questions regarding these:

1. Saturn bonds are linkages of SAturn to Sun, Moon, Venus, Jupiter, Neptune and Chiron, right?
If now one person has clashes of Saturn to these planets, is this still a captivation?

2. Is one Juno sexual linkage enough or have there to be more of these?

3. What about the Chiron-Juno-linkage? Would that be valid for sexual captivations,t oo?

4. Is there such a thing as a "love or romantic" captivation? For example when Saturn links to the romance planets AND there are also important Chiron linkages as Chiron-Venus, Chiron-Jupiter or Chiron-Neptune?

posted October 08, 2008 09:11 AM         

Oops! I think I meant

1. The one
2. I'm tottally
3. Gaga over

posted October 08, 2008 09:25 AM         

DONīT YOU DARE; YOU LITTLE TREACHEROUS MINX!

Hmm, actually you have that Venus-Chiron-quinkunx in the heliocentric sky.

posted October 08, 2008 09:32 AM         

I promise to come back to this when l get home as dashing out of the door now...

Venus/neptune-chiron linkages and aspects are amazing.

I have natally
chiron/venus conjunct
chiron/neptune trine
venus/chiron contra parallel

most of my relationships have the chiron/venus and chiron/neptune linkages

posted October 08, 2008 09:52 AM         

in the geo we have:

his Chiron trine my Neptune: lifetime linkage

his Venus conjunct and parallel my Neptune:
bilevel romance linkage

his Mercury trine my Chiron: understanding linkage

his Juno conjunct my mars (3°08): Juno sexual linkage

his Venus parallel my Mars: Sexual linkage

his Jupiter parallel my Sun: Forgiveness linkage

his Juno contraparallel my Pluto: Juno Sexual linkage

his Sun conjunct and parallel my Venus: bilevel Cupid linkage

in the helio:

his Earth quinkunx my Neptune: romantic linkage, signifying lasting relationship

his Jupiter conjunct my Venus: loyalty linkage

his Chiron conjunct my Juno
his Juno quinkunx my Chiron
- a Juno-Chiron-double linkage

his Juno exaclty conjunct my Mars

his Neptune contralatitude my Venus

his Chiron contralatitude my Venus

his Chiron latitude my Neptune

WOW, so that means we have in the geocentric a conjuncted trine of his Venus conjunct my Neptune trine his Chiron.

And in the helio latitudes there is a link up of his Chiron/Neptune and my Venus / Neptune.

So TWO romance clusters.

There may also be one sexual cluster as his Juno links to my Juno-Pluto-aspect in the declinations.

Oh and of course of course there are all possible aspects indicating serious emotional trauma, suffering and heartbreak there can be.

Of cousre. What else.

posted October 08, 2008 02:48 PM         

I've been wondering about the interpretation of Magi in terms of synthesis. I know that what the aspects themselves mean, but which one trumps another? For example, how many Cinderella linkages does it take to cancel out three or four Saturn clashes?? I think I remember something about Johnny Cash and June Carter having at least one Saturn Clash...

I'm pretty sure that there's some sexual captivation going on here, but there are also some Cinderella linkages as well.

Is it okay if I list both the aspects and declinations? Maybe you'd be able to help me to synthesize it. I will only list the actual linkages, as opposed to every aspect.

Communication Linkage: HIS Mercury contra-parallel MY Venus

Venus Linkage: HIS Venus contraparallel MY Pallas

Linkage of Forgiveness: HIS Jupiter contraparallel MY Sun

Loyalty/Peace Linkage: HIS Jupiter contraparallel MY Venus

Saturn Clash: HIS Saturn contraparallel MY Neptune (he is Saturn person)

Saturn Clash: HIS Neptune contraparallel MY Saturn (I am Saturn person)

Empathy Linkage: HIS Neptune contraparallel MY Mercury

Lifelong friends/Compatibility Linkage/Vesta Superlinkage: HIS Neptune contraparalel MY Vesta

Pallas Linkage: HIS Pallas parallel MY Pallas

Vesta Linkage: HIS Vesta parallel my Moon

Semi-sexual Vesta Linkage: HIS Vesta parallel MY Mars

Vesta/Friendship Linkage: HIS Sun Quincunx MY Vesta

Communication Linkage: HIS Mercury quincunx MY Venus

Understanding Linkage: HIS Mercury quincunx MY Chiron

Negative Feedback Linkage: HIS Mercury trine MY Saturn

Romance/Cinderella/Magical Linkage: HIS Venus quincunx MY Chiron

Forgiveness Linkage: HIS Moon trine MY Jupiter

Jupiter Linkage: HIS Juiter quincunx MY Pallas

Romantic Linkage: HIS Neptune quincunx MY Sun

Romance/Lifetime/Romantic Golden Linkage: HIS Neptune quincunx MY Venus

Saturn Linkage: HIS Neptune trine MY Saturn
(I am Saturn person)

Lifelong/Cinderella/Romance Linkage: HIS Neptune quincunx MY Chiron

Classic Schism: HIS Pluto square MY Sun (I have to say, I am not too worried about this one, since almost everyone I know has their Pluto square my Sun. Whateves.)

Money Pit Clash: HIS Pluto squares MY Venus (Again, not so concerned with this one since most everyone I know has this same aspect wit me and I have it natally as well.)

Cinderella Linkage: HIS Pluto quincunx MY Chiron

Lifelong/Cinderella/Romance Linkage: HIS Chiron trine MY Neptune

Lifetime Partnership Linkage/Ultimate Longterm Sexual Linkage/Chiron Linkage: HIS
Chiron quincunx MY Juno

Juno/Vesta Clash: HIS Vesta square MY Juno

Juno Linkage/Unrealistic Dreams: HIS Juno quincunx MY Mercury

Juno Super Clash: His Juno opposite MY Moon

Friends and Lovers/Juno and Vesta Linkage: HIS Juno quincunx MY Vesta

So, the Cinderella/Romance/Lifetime linkages are more plentiful than the Clashy ones...but I really don't have a clue as to how these are measured against one another.

posted October 08, 2008 03:05 PM         

My Juno conjuncts his Neptune, and sextiles/trines his Venus, Mars, and Pluto tightly. And on top of that my Chiron conjuncts both his Mars and Venus, while HIS Chiron conjuncts my Mars.

posted October 08, 2008 03:27 PM         

MAGI+JUNO trine CHIRON etc it will come up!!!!!

posted October 08, 2008 03:45 PM         

Not sure if you're referring to my aspects or DD's (or both) but I was just about to google some of them. I know what they mean individually, just not how to see all the linkages as a whole. If you get a chance in the next few days, I'd love to hear an opinion from someone who has actually studied Magi. The reason I'm curious is because I can truthfully see how all the interpretations applied to us.

posted October 08, 2008 04:45 PM         

I can throw in a few things from memory...

A Saturn bond can only occur when it's a trine, conjunction, or parallel. The Planets are: Chiron, Venus, Jupiter, Neptune, or the Sun. (No Moon)

The Saturn person has the upper hand in the relationship.

The hard aspects (square, opposition, quincunx, contraparallel) are considered a Saturn clash, BUT they CAN also create the "captivity" that the bond can. The bond is stronger, Saturn has even more of an upper hand and will most likely abuse that power, according to Magi.

Chiron - Juno linkage is not considered a Juno linkage, but a Chiron linkage...which they consider to be a good thing. It's love and hot sex combined, basically.

posted October 08, 2008 04:52 PM         

I think they compare the amount of Cinderella and Romance linkages to the number of Saturn bonds or any kinds of clashes.

I'm pretty sure it has to be more than one Juno linkage for it to be a captivation, along with the Saturn bonds.

But, I should say that if there's another Juno linkage, the "lifetime sexual linkage" (Chiron/Juno) could also be counted in that, I think...but not standing alone.

Magi considers Chiron to make the "love captivation" linkages, but you know all of that already...the Cinderella aspects or transits.

posted October 08, 2008 04:58 PM         

No, they don't consider Chiron conj Chiron to be a big deal because you'll have that with everyone your age. The interp says something like "you'll have similar life paths."

Love,

They don't believe you can cancel out Saturn, but a relationship can last if you have Saturn balance...the same number of Saturn aspects between both of you.

Your Saturn clashes are exactly balanced and I'm very curious (in a researching "does magi really work?" kind of way!) as to how that will play out.

Your overall aspects look pretty positive to me!

8th

Lara
Hope you don't mind my being a buttinski!

posted October 08, 2008 05:20 PM         

This Magi breakdown is based on a chart done between me and my ex-boyfriend. He ended things with me quite some time ago (June 2007) but we stayed friends until this year (June 2008) when I told him I could no longer stay his friend because doing so was hurting me and preventing me from moving on. He kept sending me subtle messages on his myspace page even though he was overseas. I contacted him and told him that it was causing me pain since the messages were about missing me but were not indicative of his wanting to re-connect in a relationship sense. He took his whole page down a month ago and there has been no contact since. I am curious as to Magi's explanations since I have never experienced a relationship like that one...I cannot seem to move on from it entirely and in all honesty, I think I might still be in love with him. Although I don't know how I feel about Magi astrololgy, I found the explanation of the linkages to be bang on in most cases. The linkages (and a couple aspects among the ones not listed) suggesting that there is no sexual fire were absolutely false, however. I've never experienced a sexual relationship like the one I had with him and I know that he felt exactly the same way. But we had amazing communication, a huge ability to forgive one another, a very empathic connection, an excellent friendship, and I was totally in love with him. I guess I'm trying to see how all of the Magi clashes affect all of the Magi cinderella-type aspects since if you add up clashes versus magical/romance linkages it seems to come out pretty evenly.

posted October 08, 2008 06:30 PM         

I think there has to be some postive Saturn contacts for endurance.

Magi aside, from my experience and from what I've researched, if you can't forget him, Pluto is the culprit. Or possibly a North Node contact. If you have a psychic connection, most likely one of your Psyche placements aspects the Sun/Moon/or Neptune of the other person. (Although there are other indicators of this, I'm sure!)

If he's hurting you, it can be SO many different things...most likely squares between personal planets.

BUT, credit goes to Magi for their extensive research on Chiron. I think it's very powerful in our charts.

The rest, you have to put to your own test with charts of people you already know about.

Meanwhile, find your happiness without this person who's hurting you. Realize that if you can't forget him, then you shouldn't...but that doesn't mean that you have to be in that situation or that you won't find someone better!

8th

posted October 08, 2008 07:23 PM         

Lara ~

So according to Magi, a Nuclear Clash can only be dissolved by a good first meeting chart or marriage day? I assume that means that all of the Magi Romance/Lifelong/Cinderalla/Magical aspects in the world do not wipe this out? (I think we at least 7 linkages and a fair number of other Magi aspects...)

8th ~ I agree with everything you said. Saturn is a necessity in relationships - it's the glue. Hopefully you have more happy glue than challenging glue. Pluto, Node and Psyche aspects abound in our synastry although I have had these same aspects with at least one other person and I did not have the same issues with letting go...so I was curious as to what Magi had to say about it.

The only thing that ever hurt me was that he didn't want to be with me. But at least I got to work on my abandonment issues

posted October 08, 2008 09:01 PM         

And if I am understanding this correctly, nothing trumps a Nuclear clash? Therefore according to Magi, that would be the prime reason the relationship did not work?

posted October 08, 2008 10:52 PM         

Honestly, I'm still a bit confused about how certain couples can have a Heartbreak Clash (Paul Newman and Joanne Woodward) and stay married according to Magi unless certain positive aspects trump the negative ones. Maybe Magi have that info on their website.