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Topic: Age of Your Sign
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swirl-kitt
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posted October 08, 2008 04:57 PM
 
They usually say that people get their sign according to their 'real' age, which depends on their karma and how many times they have been reincarnated. Now I'm not sure if I believe that stuff  But still, there is something I don't quite understand. How come Sagittarius is one of the oldest signs- Pisces, Cap and Scorpio fits such a description, but Sag ? Does anybody know the true story behind this trivia ? I'd love to know IP: Logged |
evander
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posted October 08, 2008 05:42 PM
Sags aren't just playful and floozey. They remain young in spirit and forever in love with the oldest science of all- philosophy.
I'm attending university of philosophy and there is an enormous amount of sagitarius influenced people. About 1/3 of people attending my class are sags and there is a significant number of sag ac people... Not to mention percentages of other personal planetes located in sag.
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sag sun, aries ac, cap moon
*never saw a wild thing sorry for itself...* IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted October 08, 2008 05:55 PM
I agree that Sag's fit the old soul description. You may need to get beyond the surface in order to understand.IP: Logged |
Astra
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posted October 08, 2008 07:16 PM
Does the "old soul" quality come when the Sag reaches their 30s? The reason I ask is that the Sags I know (they are in their 20s) are remarkably clueless about life. Most of them are sweet, but behave as if they were born yesterday and just aren't yet wise in the ways of the world.IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted October 08, 2008 07:21 PM
uffff... rubbish!I say this because l know i'm an old old soul and i'm a Taurean... so if this theory is true l am a mere babe in the woods! IP: Logged |
Astra
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posted October 08, 2008 07:45 PM
I agree, Lara!I really don't agree with the "evolution of man in astrology" theory. I've met very wise Aries who are anything but naive and Capricorns who are so easily duped. There are worldly wise and naive people in every sign. IP: Logged |
enchantress299
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posted October 08, 2008 07:48 PM
Often people forget that simplicity of spirit, and sometimes being light-hearted is in fact, the most wise thing a person can do, especially when outside events are out of our own control. When everything in the outside world is a downer, Sags are often able to refocus on their own spirit and lightness of heart, bringing joy and hope to others. This doesn't make them stupid or shallow. It often brings perspective to the big picture. Laughter and joy keep everyone from wanting to wallow in despair (in fact, once you get past the jokes, I've found that many Sags are very aware of the big picture and how important it is to keep a light heart for themselves and others). Sags are good at laughter, joy, and hope, and therefore can be a tad naive sometimes, which may be why they come off as a "younger" sign than the other "old" signs. However, I do believe there are more and less evolved people in EVERY sign, so I don't know that it always has to do with being spiritually evolved. Just my two cents. ------------------
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Deliverance
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posted October 08, 2008 07:54 PM
Facinating informations about old souls, most of it resonates with me (Sag Asc, Cap Sun & Pis Moon) quote:
Not unlike the Infant soul, but for different reasons, it is rare for an Old soul to make a great contribution to society or culture. The reason for this is that they have largely given up on the world. It just does not seem worth the trouble to spend a lot of energy for things that do not last. Material things just decay anyway, so why invest in that? The other problem is that they are advanced in their perceptions to such an extent that the genius of their contributions would go unappreciated by the great majority of people, the Establishment. Old souls know this and do not even try to get them to see it. Younger souls, who largely control the course of society, cannot understand Old souls, and regard them and their notions as eccentric. Old souls are perceived to be "far out", or "cranks", if they do make themselves noticed. Younger souls are often too busy to stop and really listen to the wisdom of Old souls anyway. For these reasons, Old souls are rarely the movers and shakers of culture. As it is with many young people and old people, the situation is that the younger are out doing their thing and do not have time to listen to the old folks anyway. So the old folks do not even try to communicate. Old souls often have difficulty with self-esteem because their perceptions and values are not shared by the rest of society.In their social lives, Old souls are often loners. They go their own way, caring little for societal norms. They are a rare breed, comprising about eleven percent of the population. On the fringes of society, they obey the rules of their culture only as required to get by without causing trouble. They have very little attachment to encounters of a casual nature, such as coworkers and neighbors. Even their sense of connection to blood relatives is not very strong. They generally shun heavy entanglements with other people. When they do get involved, it is because there is a strong spiritual bond. By this is meant that either there is a karmic attachment (past-life association), or what Michael calls an "agreement" — a contract made between lifetimes to conduct a relationship. A specific case mentioned by Michael is that Old souls seek to be united with the other fragments of their Entity. When Old souls do seek companionship, they often do so in metaphysical groups — astrology and tarot classes, psychic endeavors, and so on. Here they will be most likely to meet those with whom they have spiritual connections. They seek out the few others who are like themselves, and form networks of people with similar interests. This is not usually for the purpose of business advancements like Young souls, or for psychological comfort like Mature souls, but just to share being with other Old souls. When Old souls "party", they usually sit around and just talk. In dating situations, they do not need to go anywhere (like to a movie) or do anything (like play games) as a means to developing social intimacy. If the basis for psychological intimacy is not quickly apparent to the Old soul, he will not put himself through much trouble to develop it. It is difficult for Old souls to weld unions with people that they have not been together with in numerous past lifetimes.
http://www.michaelteachings.com/old_soul.html IP: Logged |
amowls
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posted October 08, 2008 11:47 PM
I can definitely see Sags as a kooky old philosopher (like Aquas are kooky old mad scientists).I've also heard that what determines the age of your soul is where your NN is placed. If you have your NN in Pisces, you're OLD. lol. IP: Logged |
Winged_Feet
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posted October 09, 2008 02:05 AM
Just b/c Aries are supposed to represent a younger position in the astrology-soul-age, doesnt mean that they weren't a Pisces before in a previous life. Never know, we might just choose our own fates before we're born.
And about Sags...And I have a Sag friend who is in her early twenties yet her spirituality and way of perceiving ideas, thoughts and people is just way beyond her years. IP: Logged |
EighthMoon
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posted October 09, 2008 06:05 AM
Hi Swirl Kitt,  This is just a guess, but many moons ago, weren't Sagg and Pisc both ruled by Jupiter? Maybe it's something to do with that. I don't think the soul "ages" in the way that we count time. I think that what we'd call an "old soul" is really an advanced soul, and a "new soul" acts more immature or self centered...hence the name. Time only exists through the 4th dimension, and I'm sure a soul that leaves the earth wouldn't be bound by our kind of time. We most likely all came from one source, so we'd all have to be the same "age," regardless of our sign. I believe it's the path we choose with the life we're given... 8th IP: Logged |
Lara
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posted October 09, 2008 06:10 AM
oh geez, pass me my nappy... my NN is in Aries !!!!!!!
Deliverance.. WOW. I completely related to that quote too, thanks
Does that mean i'm a sag asc now? lol
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deuxantares
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posted October 09, 2008 06:22 AM
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On the fringes of society, they obey the rules of their culture only as required to get by without causing trouble. They have very little attachment to encounters of a casual nature, such as coworkers and neighbors. Even their sense of connection to blood relatives is not very strong. They generally shun heavy entanglements with other people. When they do get involved, it is because there is a strong spiritual bond.
I totally relate to this passage.
And my NN is Capricorn. Another "old" association.
Daym, I'm not only old in earth years. I'm also old in soul years. Arrrrgh!  IP: Logged |
Libralove09
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posted October 09, 2008 06:28 AM
i disagree too. i have met lots of silly individuals in different signs, including virgo and capricorn and gemini.im a leo, but im probably a more boring person, im not really all fun/games/laughing. i would consider my self more wise or logical, like virgo i kind of believe in chinese astrology too, you guys should check that out, because im a 'snake' in the chinese astrology, and its description is very accurate about me. maybe thats why im not like the typical leo. IP: Logged |
Deliverance
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posted October 09, 2008 06:33 AM
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Deliverance.. WOW. I completely related to that quote too, thanks
Does that mean i'm a sag asc now? lol
Yes it does! LOL Seriously, I don't know if there's any validity to the correlation between sign & soul age. It just resonates with me & I happen to be a Sag Asc.
Deuxantares,
Same here! The paragraph you quoted is what I most deeply relate to in that passage. IP: Logged |
amowls
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posted October 09, 2008 06:47 AM
I mean, does it really matter if you're an "old soul" or not?IP: Logged |
Deliverance
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posted October 09, 2008 06:50 AM
I guess it doesn't, its just a discussion, Its the same as asking does it really matter if she's my soul mate or not.
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Lara
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posted October 09, 2008 06:53 AM
Yes it does! LOL
******* ... !!!!! just when l thought it was safe to come out of the rectification room
23 is gonna strangle me to within an inch of my life haha IP: Logged |
amowls
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posted October 09, 2008 07:20 AM
I mean, I only asked if it really mattered because Sags were getting offended, non Sag/Cap/Aqua/Pisces people were getting offended.IP: Logged |
deuxantares
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posted October 09, 2008 07:21 AM
Where is 23? She's gone AWOL. IP: Logged |
CoralFrequency
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posted October 09, 2008 08:59 AM
Souls are timeless.I see a lot of personal/social/transpersonal differences, but I don't think the "old" or "young" labels apply. They are based on a belief in the existence of chronological time running from a set beginning to a set ending. I'm not sure whether this is the case. The astrological wheel is not a line running from A to Z. What I find funny about this thread is that it reminds me of teenagers vs. adults. Kids and teenagers can't wait to grow up. They want to appear as mature as possible and do grown-up things. If you called a teenager "mature for his or her age", they would take it as a compliment. Alternatively adults and elderly people like compliments such as "you look youthful" or "you're young at heart". If you said to a 40 year old person "you're so mature for your age", they wouldn't feel very complimented lol So that makes me think.. if there really were young and old souls (which I can't say I believe) - the people who would want to be old souls most, and get offended if someone tells them otherwise, might just be young souls  IP: Logged |
augentier
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posted October 09, 2008 10:35 AM
A friend's stepmom once told me, my sister, and the friend that we're all "old souls"..and go figure, all three of us are Capricorn ------------------
Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon Mercury:: Sagittarius
Venus::Scorpio
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Deliverance
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posted October 09, 2008 11:18 AM
Coral Frequency quote:
Souls are timeless.I see a lot of personal/social/transpersonal differences, but I don't think the "old" or "young" labels apply. They are based on a belief in the existence of chronological time running from a set beginning to a set ending. I'm not sure whether this is the case. The astrological wheel is not a line running from A to Z.
I agree, souls are timeless, I think the terms "old/young" soul refers more to the number of lifetimes on the earth/ET plane & how much experience has been accrued as opposed to the chronological age. An old soul is on its way out, meaning it will not have as many incarnations as a new/young soul. Perhaps term "earth/ET experienced soul" would be more apt....it doesn't have the same ring to it though! LOL IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted October 09, 2008 01:21 PM
I liked what you posted, too, Deliverance. Sounds a lot like me, though I'm not sure that I never try to get people to see things.I don't know how things work for certain. I doubt any of us do. Sometimes I like to think about us [our souls] picking our charts like we would pick characters/character-traits in an RPG video game. Like we see the list of positive and negative qualities associated with a chart, and we pick the chart based on a gamble that we'll accomplish what we'd like to accomplish in this lifetime with that chart. In this way, it might be beneficial for an old soul to choose one of the "younger" signs in order to accomplish a particular spiritual goal. Or maybe it's like a game in which the goal is knowledge and/or experience, and we pick our paths based on what kinds of things we hope to pick up. In that way, any chart could potentially be beneficial. IP: Logged |
Deliverance
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posted October 10, 2008 10:42 AM
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Sometimes I like to think about us [our souls] picking our charts like we would pick characters/character-traits in an RPG video game. Like we see the list of positive and negative qualities associated with a chart, and we pick the chart based on a gamble that we'll accomplish what we'd like to accomplish in this lifetime with that chart. In this way, it might be beneficial for an old soul to choose one of the "younger" signs in order to accomplish a particular spiritual goal.Or maybe it's like a game in which the goal is knowledge and/or experience, and we pick our paths based on what kinds of things we hope to pick up. In that way, any chart could potentially be beneficial.
Exactly Acoustic God!! I also think we pick our souls based on areas we need to work on or areas of deficit. E.G. if you died without learning the lesson/grasping the concept of one area of life, you will continue incarnate with similar issues until you "get" it. IP: Logged |
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