posted October 09, 2008 06:06 PM         

I wonder what else was going on. There could have been transits as well as secondary progressions that might have made a difference.

It might not necessarily be a pluto thing.....if his Venus was aspected in any way, then that could indicate a time of being more attracted to somebody.....maybe his secondary progressed Venus was aspecting your natal or a secondary progressed planet or angle.

may I check out the charts
with certain time periods to check out for increased attraction?

posted October 14, 2008 03:32 PM         

who knows...that 8 degree orb aspect that is working might actually be a midpoint involving 1 or 2 planets in the wide orbed aspects. That's often case in many cases

also wide orbed aspects tend to be different harmonics, and so they might actually be strong aspects if they are harmonic aspects with narrow orbs.

posted October 15, 2008 11:36 PM         

the time periods were:

together july 2001 until feb or march 2003

long distance relationship between then and may 2004 (when i found out he'd been cheating on me for a while)

oct 2004 a big emotional scene within which he declared he was in love with me when i got a new boyfriend

posted October 15, 2008 11:58 PM         

the data is:

posted October 16, 2008 02:12 AM         

I think the combination of his natal chart,his solar arcs,secondary progressions, and the period of when you found out he cheated,and the time of his expressing his feelings for you reflected a lot on the chart

I have written all the aspects that seem to pertain to that

from what I see is that this is a man that is very conflicted...a person who wants his independence.outgoing and can be unconventional but also has a conservative side that is security-oriented and could even have problems with being insecure as well as having problems with low self esteem which can lead to vacillating between being affectionate,loving,expressive and being distant,reserved,shy. This man seems very intense,passionate and he might have trust issues because of past betrayals involving important females in this life...especially the mother. There could be issues with jealousy and possessiveness. There might have been a history of abuse with the mother,it seems there is a possibility of power issues and psychological manipulation whether it was done to him in the past and/or he has done it to others. I wouldn't be surprised if there was both emotional and physical abuse involving the mother in some way This guy seems very sexually oriented and just full of sexual tension connected to the intensity and passion conflicted with his emotions. This guy seems like he can be very impatient,impulsive at times...especially when it comes to things that he wants...and could even have a bit of temper.

I believe that he had a hard time being in a long distance relationship. His transits,solar arcs,and secondary progressions showed increased intensity as well as dealing with pain as well as personal changes,sudden changes involving love,attractions,and emotional needs...very unstable, and he does have an erratic nature to begin with. They also showed possible illusion,deception involving relationships and connections.

There is a possibility that during the long distance relationship, he was very lonely and needing companionship, but he made the wrong decision to get intimate with somebody else. His natal chart shows that relationships for him are very karmic,and so whatever he does in relationships can have serious consequences.

His synastry with you shows that he is very attracted to you and could have loved you too, but the things that I already mentioned were in conflict with that. He can sabotage his relationships through his own insecurity. That seems like the bottom line.

posted October 16, 2008 02:31 AM         

so much of what you wrote about him is true. actually everything with one exception. his mom died when he was a teenager and according to him she was extremely gracious and loving. she suffered a lot before her death and i know it affected him greatly and shook his faith (to the point that he has none). i think you may have been going on his moon in aries in the 8th? i'm guessing her death is the way the 8th manifested in this situation. but other than that, your assessment was pretty spot on!

posted October 16, 2008 11:24 AM         

His Sun-Venus in Aquarius oppose Saturn in 12th - a person who wants his independence.outgoing and can be unconventional but also has a conservative side that is security-oriented and could even have problems with being insecure as well as having problems with low self esteem which can lead to vacillating between being affectionate,loving,expressive and being distant,reserved,shy. relationships for him are very karmic,and so whatever he does in relationships can have serious consequences.

His Moon in Aries 8th oppose Pluto in Libra in 2nd,square Mars in Cancer - This man seems very intense,passionate and he might have trust issues because of past betrayals involving important females in this life...especially the mother. There could be issues with jealousy and possessiveness. seems there is a possibility of power issues and psychological manipulation whether it was done to him in the past and/or he has done it to others. This guy seems very sexually oriented and just full of sexual tension connected to the intensity and passion conflicted with his emotions. This guy seems like he can be very impatient,impulsive at times...especially when it comes to things that he wants...and could even have a bit of temper.

That's why I thought of the possibility of abuse in some way.
Yeah....Moon in 8th oppose Pluto can indicate death of the mother.....that's the most extreme interpretation for a placement and aspect like that too. I am sorry about his mom's death.

I used May 15, 2004
I believe that he had a hard time being in a long distance relationship. His transits,solar arcs,and secondary progressions showed increased intensity( Transiting Pluto parallel his Venus,parallel his Sun,contraparallel his Saturn, trine Moon) as well as dealing with pain(Transiting Chiron parallel Sun,Venus,contraparallel Saturn,and oppose Mars.....Solar Arc Chiron square Natal Venus) as well as personal changes,sudden changes involving love,attractions,and emotional needs...very unstable(Transiting Uranus conjunct Descendant,Secondary Progressed Venus sesquiquadrate Natal Uranus,Solar Arc Moon square Natal Uranus), and he does have an erratic nature to begin with(he has chart ruler Mercury in Aquarius square Uranus and Sun in Aquarius square Uranus). They also showed possible illusion,deception involving relationships and connections (Solar Arc Neptune conjunct Natal Juno, Solar Arc North Lunar Node semisquare Natal Neptune). Transiting Jupiter conjunct his Ascendant indicate personal expansion,freedom,optimism and possibly indulgence.

oct 2004 a big emotional scene within which he declared he was in love with me when i got a new boyfriend

I used October 15, 2004 as the date:
Transiting Neptune conjunct Mercury - '52 applying - dissolution of communication,mental boundaries...possibly confused,illusive thinking,communications
Solar Arc Juno conjunct Mercury - '38 applying thinking about committed relationships,possible thoughts of jealousy
Solar Arc Juno sesquiquadrate Jupiter - optimism,expansion in regards to relationships
Transiting Saturn quincunx Venus - 1'08 applying restrictions,limitations involving affections,love,relationships...possibly loneliness and insecurity
Secondary Progressed Venus sesquiquadrate Natal Uranus - '04 Applying (he had this going on when he cheated on you - sudden changes in love,affection....love nature is basically unstable
Transiting Pluto trine Moon - '00 - emotional intensity, transformation involving feelings,emotional nature...a time to reveal the truth about one's feelings (this transit was happening during the time he cheated)
Progressed Moon in Aries in 8th - repeats his natal theme of Moon in Aries in 8th - the passion,intensity....more so at this time...that was going on during the time he cheated too

"do you think it may be the venus-pluto aspects in our synastry that points to the power struggle and leap of powerful emotional yearning for eachother, that was traded off?"
Honestly,I strongly doubt it. I really don't think those synastry aspects are that influential. It's very important to look at the natal dynamics when it comes to relationships. His chart alone shows that he can have power issues,intensity,obsession as well have a hard time trusting as well as can have difficulties letting go, but the thing is that he can hide his feelings too.....all those things are very typical of his Moon in 8th oppose Pluto as well as the progressed Moon in 8th as well the Pluto transits that he had going on..............also with the Uranus solar arcs and secondary progressions involving Moon and Venus, there was a strong possibility that he can be very changeable,unpredictable in his emotions,feelings.....so he can be in love with you and attracted to you, but he could end up having feelings for somebody else, but then suddenly his feelings could change back....that's how Uranus in solar arcs and secondary progressions can work. The keyword for Uranus is change. His Venus makes some aspects to your chart,and that indicates attraction and possible love that he has for you. You have Moon quincunx Pluto and Sun trine Pluto in your chart, and that can indicate that you're intense and that there could be power struggles in your life. Also your composite with him has Scorpio Ascendant,and that can also indicate power struggle,strong emotional yearning in the relationship. The Composite Chart Ruler,Pluto is in 12th, and so there is possibility secrets and deception in the relationship. Sun trine Pluto in the composite indicates intense,transformational relationship. The Composite chart has Moon-Mars-Chiron conjunction in Taurus in 7th, and that can indicate a strong emotional relationship connection but can involved passionate and hurt feelings. There could be issues with feeling pain and anger that affect the relationship. With the conjunction being in Taurus, there could be a stubbornness in the relationship, and so there can be stagnation as well as one or the other is hard to budge. The Composite Chart has Sun in Aquarius square Uranus,and this indicates that the relationship is very unstable,unpredictable,and can go through a lot of changes. Both of you have Sun in Aquarius square Uranus in natal chart, and so that reinforces those issues big time..especially when your Uranuses square each other's Suns. From the looks of it, it doesn't seem like you two were meant to have a long term relationship. Transiting Neptune was conjuncting your Sun and squaring his Uranus and your Uranus when you found out he was cheating on you. Transiting Pluto was quincunx your Moon and contraparallel your Moon when you found out that he was cheating on you. Transiting Chiron was contraparallel your Moon,and that indicate feeling of pains,hurt feelings,and feeling the need to heal.

I wouldn't be surprised that with his Moon in 8th oppose Pluto, he still could be holding onto the past in regards to you...like I said before, he can have a hard time letting go. He can be quite obsessive,but he can hide those feelings. He has Juno square Pluto,and that also indicates intensity,obsession,power issues involving committing relationships...especially jealousy(In Mythology, Juno/Hera was known for being the jealous,vengeful wife of Jupiter/Zeus). He also has that insecurity with the Sun-Venus oppose Saturn, but there is the detachment of the Sun-Venus in Aquarius and the chart ruler,Mercury square Uranus that give off the "I don't care" and "I need my space" expression. There is a lot of conflict between desire,needs and detachment,independence.

An astrologer friend of mine in 2000 told me to keep in mind that natal dynamics are important to consider when doing relationship astrology. Like if you see a Venus trine Saturn in a synastry and Moon trine Saturn in composite, it doesn't necessarily mean a secure,stable relationship when one has a Venus square Uranus and another person has a Moon oppose Uranus. That's just a general example.

posted October 18, 2008 03:11 AM         

interestingly, i realize i gave you the wrong date for when he announced he was still in love with me and had a jealous scene. it would have been early november sometime. which is interesting cuz everything you wrote was applying.

posted October 19, 2008 12:59 AM         

i agree with this completely. vacillating is a key word here. he'd be affectionate (never overly) and then suddenly very cold and withdrawn and reserved. i definitely feel that relationships are KARMIC for him, very much so. i'm wondering what points to that in his chart?

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His Moon in Aries 8th oppose Pluto in Libra in 2nd,square Mars in Cancer - This man seems very intense,passionate and he might have trust issues because of past betrayals involving important females in this life...especially the mother. There could be issues with jealousy and possessiveness. seems there is a possibility of power issues and psychological manipulation whether it was done to him in the past and/or he has done it to others. This guy seems very sexually oriented and just full of sexual tension connected to the intensity and passion conflicted with his emotions. This guy seems like he can be very impatient,impulsive at times...especially when it comes to things that he wants...and could even have a bit of temper. That's why I thought of the possibility of abuse in some way.
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yes, yes, yes! big temper and a jealous/possessive streak that he hides very well beneath that aquarian detachment. he comes off as very aloof and cool-with-it, but he is emotionally tortured. i really feel he is looking outside of himself all the time to me and other women in this way i really don't understand.. it feels almost obsessive but like i said he hides it so well beneath this detached exterior that it is difficult to see about him, unless you're involved. i do know his most recent ex, and there seem to be a lot of intense power games between them.. and it also seems very karmic too. she is a triple capricorn!! asc/sun/moon, and i think mercury!

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I used May 15, 2004
I believe that he had a hard time being in a long distance relationship. His transits,solar arcs,and secondary progressions showed increased intensity( Transiting Pluto parallel his Venus,parallel his Sun,contraparallel his Saturn, trine Moon) as well as dealing with pain(Transiting Chiron parallel Sun,Venus,contraparallel Saturn,and oppose Mars.....Solar Arc Chiron square Natal Venus) as well as personal changes,sudden changes involving love,attractions,and emotional needs...very unstable(Transiting Uranus conjunct Descendant,Secondary Progressed Venus sesquiquadrate Natal Uranus,Solar Arc Moon square Natal Uranus), and he does have an erratic nature to begin with(he has chart ruler Mercury in Aquarius square Uranus and Sun in Aquarius square Uranus). They also showed possible illusion,deception involving relationships and connections (Solar Arc Neptune conjunct Natal Juno, Solar Arc North Lunar Node semisquare Natal Neptune). Transiting Jupiter conjunct his Ascendant indicate personal expansion,freedom,optimism and possibly indulgence.
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wow, this all seems very spot on. may 16th i think was the day i found out how much he'd cheated (he was compulsive; there were several hidden affairs). it had been going on for a long time. but all these transits occuring here really do seem to point to this kind of thing!

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I used October 15, 2004 as the date:
Transiting Neptune conjunct Mercury - '52 applying - dissolution of communication,mental boundaries...possibly confused,illusive thinking,communications
Solar Arc Juno conjunct Mercury - '38 applying thinking about committed relationships,possible thoughts of jealousy
Solar Arc Juno sesquiquadrate Jupiter - optimism,expansion in regards to relationships
Transiting Saturn quincunx Venus - 1'08 applying restrictions,limitations involving affections,love,relationships...possibly loneliness and insecurity
Secondary Progressed Venus sesquiquadrate Natal Uranus - '04 Applying (he had this going on when he cheated on you - sudden changes in love,affection....love nature is basically unstable
Transiting Pluto trine Moon - '00 - emotional intensity, transformation involving feelings,emotional nature...a time to reveal the truth about one's feelings (this transit was happening during the time he cheated)
Progressed Moon in Aries in 8th - repeats his natal theme of Moon in Aries in 8th - the passion,intensity....more so at this time...that was going on during the time he cheated too
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ahh, wow, all this makes sense and i can 'feel' these energies working when i remember how he was at this time. actually in october we decided to sleep together a few times and i told him i wasn't going to fall in love with him again, and during this time he told me he was having a lot of feelings for me again, and i wasn't. then i got a boyfriend late october and a week or so after that is when he got very upset. so it seems like a lot of this is the applying aspects, and some of it may have even been exact in the beginning of november.