posted October 10, 2008 03:27 AM         

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wow. yea congratulations on introducing another b@stard child unto this earth. Im sorry to say this to you but you have already made a fatal flaw as a mother

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My hands are shaking typing this.

I would not welcome anyone into my living room that would say this to a woman who has become pregnant.

posted October 10, 2008 03:44 AM         

it's not right to say what you think all the time. i certainly don't say whatever i feel like, if it's going to hurt someone.

posted October 10, 2008 04:04 AM         

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You are free to speak your Minds about anything, but please, use no profanity or personal insults. Linda was adamantly opposed to the medical theocracy and, in some cases, organized religion, and here in Lindaland we shall continue her legacy in those regards. As a Ram, Linda had a fiery passion for her beliefs, and we do encourage others here to do likewise. There will be no censorship here, and freedom of expression and speech rules supreme, but please be courteous and respectful of others while doing so. Linda had a talent for speaking her Mind without offending others. Let's try to do likewise. She was very opinionated, and when we debate with each other in a loving manner, we do her name justice. Peace, Light, and Love to all.

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posted October 10, 2008 04:05 AM         

You don't have to excuse or explain your reaction. It's simply understandable.

posted October 10, 2008 04:21 AM         

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what would make someone say something like this?

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Bad childhood experiences, sad memories, the way he perceives his earlier years, his relationship with his parents.

What he said was completely inappropriate, under the circumstances.
I think it was an emotional reaction though.

SS - you should delete it and apologise, my opinion.

I think it makes things happier and more stable for kids to have both parents there and 'in love'. But things don't always happen this way. Such is life.
It was not the time or the place or the right way for you to express this.

posted October 10, 2008 04:35 AM         

It's so rare, and so valuable to be genuinely kind.

I know men who have the opinion Seeing Stars gave, although they'd not say it to a pregnant woman.

Let him say his misanthropic thing - he wished her personally well did he not? (I've heard much worse things on this forum which have provoked less outrage). And let her respond with passion and vengeance - which she did.

posted October 10, 2008 04:59 AM         

See above.

posted October 10, 2008 05:39 AM         

perhaps i feel like rising to his defense because i've always been fond of seeing stars, but even if i've never had any previous communication before his comment i don't think starting a thread primarily to bash him is proactive or necessary.

please don't think that i condone his comment (i absolutely think he should apologize to belgz regardless of whether or not he still maintains his opinion on her pregnancy, which intuition tells me that he still does) so please don't get mad at me for voicing my opinion.

now, to answer your question on what transits/natals would make one blunt(er) or lash out, usually hard aspects to mars are the culprit.
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/transitsMars18.6.htm

i'm pretty familiar with seeing star's chart since he's exactly a month younger than me and he has the same birthday as a really close friend of mine. she, too, has said insensitive things but at least i've always known her honest opinion (his ascendant is in virgo, hers in sag... both signs known for being a bit blunt when it comes to opinion). his mercury is in cancer, so he communicates with emotional responses. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that he has a strong albeit negative opinion when it comes to single parent homes. the cancer boy i'm in a weird... thing with has cancer mercury as well. my experience with this placement is that they tend to lean towards the pessimistic view on life. it's not necessarily wrong to have this view but not exactly uplifting when you're pregnant and super excited and the person responding to you far less thrilled about it. also, lots and lots of sarcasm. it's the indirect way to express an opinion, or that's how i see it. sometimes its funny and you get a laugh so you seem less like a b**ch if it's a hard opinion, but in this case seeing stars just said what he was feeling and thinking... which is probably a result of that aries mars of his. *tisk tisk*. again - look at any hard aspects that he may be having. i'm not sure his exact time of birth but his birthday is june 21, 1988 (for 4:30 am, memory is SHARP for some reason. yay gemini mercury!) and he's a virgo asc. i think... so that makes his birthtime between 9 and 11 am. his mars is in the 7th house so he's not an early degree virgo... i wish we had a search option on hand...

which reminds me: if he is, his moon is in the 1st house (by this point i should just post a chart up but i'm not sure if i'm not comfortable doing that without his permission firsthand. i may be kinda mad at him, but i still stay respectful...). i have this aspect and i've been known for wearing my heart on my sleeve. my emotions are close to surface, especially when a touchy subject that angers me comes up. the libra asc keeps the scorpio moon from completely destroying anyone though, lol.

right now, if i'm right about his asc, mars is transiting his 3rd house and actually... now that i look at his transits i really couldn't say if there's anything bad going on with him... so perhaps his bluntness innate.

it really doesn't matter in the end though because poor choices (especially in communicating ones opinion or feelings) is a human issue and not an astrological one. he should just apologize to belgz for being so blunt with her (privately or publically, i honestly don't care which as long as he does it) because while one is allowed to have their own opinion, we are inevitably responsible for how we make others feel (such is the karmic lesson of a cancer sun and just all of humankind, i suppose...).

posted October 10, 2008 06:27 AM         

Advocate for children here - there is no such thing as a b@stard child.

I really don't care what anyone says about the people involved, or me for that matter. Insulting children, especially one that is not born, is more than crass, and I will speak up!

In words, famously spoken:

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If we could all divert our attentions back to threads about astrology that would be great.

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posted October 10, 2008 06:58 AM         

On this thread, and the thread with the original comment on it, I posted a reminder of the house rules. They're the ideals for us all to aim towards. It doesn't always work that way, but we can do our best.

If Randall wants to take any action, or if he doesn't, that's his decision to make as it is his website.

In my opinion, the matter is best dropped, but I don't doubt this thread will grow and grow as the day continues.

posted October 10, 2008 07:04 AM         

And I do feel for SS - to make such comments there must be some deep pain inside that drives that. But to say it openly like - there are just no words.

posted October 10, 2008 07:51 AM         

Yes everyone is entitled to an opinion. Nobody disputes that. There are just ways and means of putting it across and that was just plain cowardly and vicious.

However I think by letting ourselves get riled up by it we are pandering to the needs of an attention seeker.

posted October 10, 2008 08:14 AM         

I don't know - I may have. My memory is not that long. I have limited vocab - I just rehash the same words.

EDIT: I am pro-choice.

posted October 10, 2008 08:21 AM         

You might consider that you're a fraud?

posted October 10, 2008 08:37 AM         

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And didn't form mobs to attack 'insensitive' others.

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and yet you're doing the same!

Randall really needs to delete this whole load of cr@p. I can't believe what I've read tonight.

I decided to start this "unneccessary" thread to kept my rant away from a preganancy announcement to display some etiquette.

Other Knowflakes have made similar announcements lately. Can you imagine seeing that comment amongst those threads?

Good night and you have my blessing to delete this thread if you choose to do so, Randall.

posted October 10, 2008 10:57 AM         

The comment that SS made was horrible & I totally understand your anger, however this post is passive aggressive.

It would have been much better to say "Hey seeing starts, I think you were out of order to say what you did" Or send a message to them directly or say nothing at all.

Perhaps its my Mars in Sag, but I think its best to confront someone directly if you have issues with them.

If you get the answer to this:

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I just wondered what aspects or transits would make someone say something like this?

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