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posted October 18, 2008 12:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Curious as to your thoughts. Re the chart ruler:

Do you think that it simply is extra sensitive because it is chart ruler or do you think there might be an element of extra power to the chart ruler because it is so?

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posted October 18, 2008 12:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for OzMeg222     Edit/Delete Message
My chart ruler is mercury and is quite powerful in my chart. Its in aquarius in my 9th house so my chart ruler is a thinking planet, in a thinking sign in a thinking house.

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posted October 18, 2008 12:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Well my chart ruler is Mars and it is in Gemini and the 3rd. Clearly not in its domicile house and sign. I was wondering if it takes extra power on if it is simply because it is a chart ruler. The Pullen print out indicates it doesn't - Gemini is my 5th most powerful sign and I have no other planet in Gemini.

EDIT - what I'm trying to say is that the chart ruler is not powerful simply because it is, it is sensitive though.

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posted October 18, 2008 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, your chart ruler does have a significant impact on your chart, especially on how others perceive you. You have Mars as your ruler and it is in Gemini. This alone will add a Gemini flavor to your Aries ascendant. Since Mars is your only planet in Gemini, then this would probably strengthen the Gemini influence. If Mars is your only planet in an air sign, then the Gemini influence will be even stronger.

My chart ruler is Saturn in Scorpio in the tenth house, which is very strong. It does have a significant impact on my personality since I do behave very much like a Scorpio at times despite my lighthearted Gemini Sun.

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posted October 18, 2008 12:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Yes I knew it would have a significant impact, I can see it in my appearance and demeanour, hence what I said it being sensitive as well. Also anyone who forms a good or bad aspect to it through their planets will get a bad or good reaction from me, respectively.


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posted October 18, 2008 01:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls     Edit/Delete Message
Ozmeg, are you Virgo or Gem rising?

I'm a Gem rising with Mercury in Aquarius in the 9th too

Anyway, I think it's powerful. I come off as very mercurial, and since it's in my 9th, very Sagittarian as well. My Sun is in Aquarius anyway, so I'm not sure of the effect Mercury has on myself by being in Aquarius.

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posted October 18, 2008 01:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astra     Edit/Delete Message
I guess it would just make you more like a typical Aquarian--> progressive, intelligent, logical and emotionally-detached. You are a very "pure" Aquarian if that makes sense.

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posted October 18, 2008 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Got Gemini?     Edit/Delete Message
I totally agree that chart rulers are extra sensitive points and have a strong influence over tge chart. My chart ruler is Mercury which is in Gemini, which is in the 10th house conjunct my sun. I'm a very mercurial person to say the least.

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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
And yes, i'm a guy!

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posted October 18, 2008 01:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I believe that the chart ruler is a very important part of the chart.

my chart ruler is Mercury
in Scorpio like my Sun and Venus - emotional,sensitive,intense,transformational
in 3rd house - communications
conjunct/parallel Venus - into harmony,relationship-oriented,into fairness
parallel Neptune - hard to pin down,highly sensitive,imaginative
contraparallel Saturn - serious,reserved
biquintile Eris - diverse,divergent,advocate
conjunct heliocentric South Mercury Node - communications
conjunct heliocentric South Mars Node - passionate
conjunct Zuben Eschamali(fixed star in Libra,aka Northern Scales)- social justice/reform
sextile geocentric South Saturn Node - serious,reserved
sextile geocentric South Pluto Node - intense,transformational
conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoint - hard to pin down, highly sensitive,imagination

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posted October 18, 2008 02:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for augentier     Edit/Delete Message
Good question..it is hard for me to distinguish because my ASC is Scorpio, so my ruler in Pluto and my Pluto is in Scorpio conjunct my ASC (2 deg) from the 12th house.

But, I believe that the qualities of Pluto affect my life rather than just give me the presence or look of a Scorpio. So, I think the chart ruler is very important in that it plays a role in most if not all areas of one's life. More powerful than just a "feel" to ya

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Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon

Mercury:: Sagittarius
Venus::Scorpio
Mars::Pisces

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posted October 18, 2008 02:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
May someone explain this to me...

woops. I just saw the above post. But I'll keep my post and not delete is, even if redundant.

My chart ruler is pluto. My pluto in Libra is in the 12th house and if I remember correctly, on the equal house system, Pluto is within orb to be conjunct my Asc of Scorpio. In placidus, pluto is 10 degrees away from Asc in 12th so that's too wide to be conjunct my Asc.

Would a chart ruler conjunct the Asc be more powerful than my Moon in Cancer conjunct my MC?

Oh, my Jupiter is conjunct my Asc in Scorpio too.

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posted October 18, 2008 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message

Unmoved - I think that's a question of Equal v Placidus. I assume that you used both chart systems for the Moon position, ie the Moon position is the same in both.

I would say that if we use Placidus, then the Moon would be more powerful because it is on an angle, that is, conjunct with an angle and the moon in your case is in its domicile sign (but opposing house). If you use Equal, then making the assumption that Moon is conj MC, I would say that both could be equally poweful as Pluto would be conj and angle but maybe slightly weaker because it is conjunction not from the first house. If it was in the first and conjuncting the ASC, then to determine which planet would be stronger would depend on which one is closer to the angle and then possibly what aspects it makes to planets. You should check out your Pullen print out and see what it says, I think you can do it for both Equal and Placidus.

EDIT - if Pluto is in Libra, then maybe Moon is stronger as Pluto is not in its domicile sign. Do the same stuff for your Jupiter but again Jupiter is not domicile in Sco cf Moon in Cancer.

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posted October 18, 2008 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
My chart Ruler fits to a T

Jupiter/Sag/12th house.

I was drawn in early, to learn and understand Astrology.
In fact, I felt such a strong need to understand that it became a driving force, close to obsessive and I did not stop untill all of my questions were answered.

that's the Sag/Jupiter part.
a truth seeker
(or at least what are "truths" to me)

The 12th house part was I didn't care if I ever did anything with it, Astrology to me, has always been very personal.

In my every day life, very few people even know about my relationship with Astrology.
It just doesn't come up.
I am very comfortable with this.

and Everyone

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Unmoved
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posted October 18, 2008 02:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you 23. The pullen chart info said that

1. Moon
2. Pluto
3. Mars

1. Scorpio
2. Cancer
3. Aries
4. Virgo

Weirdly, my Mars is in Scorpio and I don't have a house ruled by Aries. Only my Vx is in Aries. But I have Aries as number 3. I assumed that Pullen used former rulers too.

Unfortunately, I can't check charts now so I'm using memory. I'll check some other time, so don't worry.There was a thread I started about Dr. Pullen.

In equal house, my Mc is in 9th with NN, so the Moon loses its mojo. Hmmm... I'll look at this later.

Bookmarking your thread.

P.S. I include Jupiter because of his expansive quality which could have expanded the ability or characteristics of the Asc in a conjunction.

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posted October 18, 2008 03:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua/scorp     Edit/Delete Message
Hey

My Chart Ruler is Mars in Aries in the 12 H. I would say that it's sensitive in my chart as I notice I can be competative, agressive and hate to lose lol But I can honestly say these traits have calmed down since i have mattured but non the less thay are still very much there in a inward subtle manner. I just direct theses energies else where now.

My Pullen Print out has Mars as my 5th and Aries 6th.

Planets:
1 Pluto
2 Jupiter
3 Moon

Signs:
1 Scorpio
2 Sagittarius
3 Pisces

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posted October 18, 2008 03:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Weirdly, my Mars is in Scorpio and I don't have a house ruled by Aries. Only my Vx is in Aries. But I have Aries as number 3. I assumed that Pullen used former rulers too.

Thanks for getting back to me Unmoved, it's all very interesting esp Moon losing its mojo.

Re Mars - I think you are right to make the assumption that Pullen uses traditional rulers as well. As for how Aries came 3rd --> ??

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Going a bit off topic now:

This leads me to another question that Unmoved triggered in my mind. According to Pullen, my strongest planet is Mercury. Mercury is conj Sun in my chart and it is in the 10th (not near the MC). Do you think its strength has something to do with the fact that it is the depositor to my chart ruling Mars (in Gemini)? I suppose the other planets in angular houses are: Jup in Aries (conj ASC), Moon in Libra (conj DC), Pluto in Libra (conj DC from 6th), Ura in 7th, Sun in 10th in Aqu, Saturn in 4th in Cancer. Why Merc is stronger than Jup and why Jup and Pluto are so down low the list, I don't know. The big three are Merc, Sun (detriment), Saturn (detriment).

The rest of the planets however are rather weak in my chart (either detrimented or perigrine). It baffles me how my Uranus is not near the top either, it deposits my Sun and Mercury and is in Sco. I thought Uranus was exalted in Sco.

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posted October 18, 2008 03:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Aqua/Scorp - why is your Pluto so strong? Are you Aqu sun or Sco sun? Where and what sign are your planets placed?

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posted October 18, 2008 04:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Yes. I honestly think that I read that your Mercury should be dignified by depositing your chart ruler, which would make it potent.

I assume that my Moon loses it's mojo because without being exact on the MC, It's just a moon in 10th. I think MC conjunct NN has It's own mojo though. I wish I could give you certain info but I'm just using my tired brain and I might remember incorrectly.

added- About Aries being 3rd. Well, it's foggy but maybe he just put Aries and Scorpio in the same position due to how my Mars is twice dignified by being in a sign ruled by Mars and by being in a house ruled by Mars, natural ruler and my chart ruler. But honestly, that Aries in 3rd place is suspect indeed.

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posted October 18, 2008 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jane     Edit/Delete Message
My chart ruler is Pluto in Libra in my 12th house.
--is conjunct my Sun/Moon midpoint.
--my only singleton (only air planet).
...because it just wasn't strong enough already.

I'm private, have often been called hard to really know. I know myself pretty well though - have the ruler of my 12th house in my 3rd house, so my conscious self is able to peek at my 12th house self.

I've had to learn to become more open, less guarded. I used to compartmentalize which parts of myself were for sharing with others, and which parts were my own business. I'd share a big part of who I was, but the heavier stuff I'd keep to myself. I've learned to let others in as partners in my development.

I like a lot of solitude.

Too much public attention makes me uncomfortable. Nice inner conflict with my 10th house Leo Moon.

Pluto forms a narrow sextile with my Moon, so creative expression is something that's always felt like a natural way for me to let out my 12th house self. It's an ideal method since it's a controlled release. Show time ends.

Stating the obvious, I'm not an ideal person to be in a relationship with.

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posted October 18, 2008 04:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
Yes. I honestly think that I read that your Mercury should be dignified by depositing your chart ruler, which would make it potent.

Fascinating! Never heard that rule I'll note that one down!

quote:
I assume that my Moon loses it's mojo because without being exact on the MC, It's just a moon in 10th. I think MC conjunct NN has It's own mojo though. I wish I could give you certain info but I'm just using my tired brain and I might remember incorrectly.

Yes a 10th house Moon not aspecting an MC should not be as strong as 10th house moon aspecting MC, we make the assumption that aspects don't change and neither does the sign (which it doesn't here). An aspecting planet to the angles is called an accidentally dignified planet, this happens within 5 deg of the angle.

MC conj NN - interesting! Not sure how points work. I think the NN does make an appearance on the Pullen off memory.

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posted October 18, 2008 04:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
23- not just any Chart ruler, but your one specifically because Mars is in Gemini.

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posted October 18, 2008 04:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Unmoved, I got that

I wonder if my Mercury would be strengthened say for example if there was a planet conj my Mars (the chart ruler), for then it would be depositing two planets, one being closely attached to Mars.

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posted October 18, 2008 05:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua/scorp     Edit/Delete Message
Hey there 23

Heres my placements in my sig

and some aspect to Pluto: sextile MC, inconjunct Mars, square Mercury/Sun, conjunct Moon.
Not sure if 8th house plays a role here..seen as its natural ruler is Scorpio which of course is ruled by Pluto.

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Sun:Aquarius 11H
Moon:Scorpio 7H
Mercury:Aquarius 11H
Venus:Sagitarius 8H
Mars:Aries 12H
Jupiter:Pisces 12H
Saturn:Sagitarius 8H
Uranus:Sagitarius 9H
Neptune:Capricorn 9H
Pluto:Scorpio 7H
AC:Aries 12H
MC:Capricorn

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posted October 18, 2008 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unmoved     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmm... Say Mars was conjunct Pluto for example. I wonder.

pluto would strengthen Mars and visa versa. Mars and Pluto being Former and current rulers of Scorpio. So, whatever Mars and Pluto have in common would be amplified.

This could be a far stretch but if Mars became more potent, Gemini gets more potent and that essentially should make Mercury stronger. Hmmm...

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posted October 18, 2008 05:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
Aqua/Scorp - aha I understand now

Unmoved - yes, that's what I was thinking.

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