posted October 22, 2008 12:53 PM         

The 4th house is said to represent the home, family, roots, past, later portion of life. harmonic- stress, struggle, strain
and opposes
The 9th house house of truth, religion, law philosophy, travel. harmonic- our capacity to be happy, inner peace.

So, the 4th house can represent the person we will marry as well as the seventh because they put us through the stress, strain and struggle to get us to our ninth house of truth and happiness and inner peace.

posted October 22, 2008 12:58 PM         

Fourth opposes the Tenth house, not the Ninth. The Fourth is where we come from, the Tenth is where we're trying to go.

posted October 22, 2008 01:10 PM         

But as for the 4th harmonic, it is stress, strain and struggle according to bob marks.

If saturn then is obstacles, limitations and what we must overcome to get where we are going then do we look to saturn?

What I mean to say is if we are to find our truth and inner peace then we must overcome the obstacle that are before us and maybe saturn will tell us where and who they are.

Then the ninth will tell us where or with whom our inner peace lies as well as the seventh ( with another )

posted October 22, 2008 01:17 PM         

Look to Saturn for what? Saturn would only cause limitations in the house he is in and would spread his malice through aspectual contact with the lords of the other houses.

posted October 22, 2008 01:39 PM         

I have been going through a lot and my husband as well, In looking at the charts it explains exactly what I am going through and my husbands chart as well as a few other people that are involved.
The soulmate who was involved in my death and rebirth in looking at his thirteenth harmonic it makes perfect sense though, you would never understand if you just looked at the chart without knowing who it would effect, You might just think it was about him, but in this case it was about me or at least I was the one he was to transform and explains what took place ( how he effected me ) in his chart.

posted October 22, 2008 04:34 PM         

Is the 9th house also supposed to tell us about our second marriage, if we have one?

posted October 22, 2008 05:04 PM         

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The soulmate who was involved in my death and rebirth in looking at his thirteenth harmonic it makes perfect sense though...

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There's no aspect that correlates to a thirteenth harmonic, so I can't say for sure what that would be based off of. I'm not saying I don't believe in the experiences you've had, I'm just saying that a harmonic chart isn't what you should be looking into for explanations of them, but rather some real horoscopes like Davison and Synastry.

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I thought the 4th house was also the soul and where we feel most comfortable, not the most strained (although maybe if childhood issues were bad, then we're comfortable with stress and strain lol??).

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It is just that, our father, our home environment and things such as that. Usually we do feel safe and secure in these familiar environments. What she was talking about stress and strain comes from the "fourth harmonic" which are based off of Square aspects. As you know, the Square is based off of stress, strain, tension, and competition, so that's what she was talking about. Not that the fourth house relates to those things because it is simply not so.

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Is the 9th house also supposed to tell us about our second marriage, if we have one?

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posted October 26, 2008 01:10 AM         

Not everyone will go through a transformation in thier life, So therefore the answers will lie in the chart of one who went through the experience or was the catalyst. It will not be there for everyone as I said not everyone will go through such an event. So others look to group resources and values.

there is no aspect for a thirteenth Harmonic,If there were no such thing Then why Do professional astrologers such as Bob Marks, and many others even mention the info on websites and books. The calculation is about 27.5 degrees (the semi-sextile is a 30 degree orb give or take an orb of three degrees) Therefore, There is an aspect to the thirteenth Harmonic.

From Bob Marks website:

The Thirteenth Harmonic: The 13th harmonic seems to have a similar effect to the sign of Scorpio. They both relate to death and rebirth, transformation, as well as group resources and values.

The birth chart of Dr. Jonas Salk, inventor of the first effective anti-polio vaccine, does not (at first glance) seem too special. The Sun rules them Mid-Heaven (career) and sits in the 12th house in Scorpio. That's a good placement for doing research behind the scenes, and the Leo Mid-Heaven can give the chance of eventual fame. Pluto, the ruler of the Sun-sign, has a conjunction with Saturn (ambition, discipline) and they both make out-of-sign sextile aspects with the Mid-Heaven, as well as square aspects (challenges) to his Sun. But when we look at Jonas Salk's 13th Harmonic Chart, the picture becomes far more clear. Jupiter, Mars, Pluto, and Saturn all make conjunction aspects to his Mid-Heaven, while the Moon and the North Lunar Node make square aspects, and the Sun makes a quincunx (the 150 degree aspect). Six out of ten planets aspect his Mid-Heaven (career and public image) and that configuration only held for a few minutes on that day and location. Salk's vaccine ended a yearly epidemic of polio and (long after Salk's death) is still saving thousands of lives a year.

Bill Gate's 13th Harmonic Chart has the Mid-Heaven (career) sextile Jupiter and Pluto, which are located in the 2nd house (money) of his Birth Chart. Uranus, which rules his natal 8th house (other people's money and resources) makes a square aspect here in the 13th harmonic. His big break came when he bought the DOS operating system from another company (other people's resources) and then made a deal with IBM.

posted October 26, 2008 03:31 AM         

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If there were no such thing Then why Do professional astrologers such as Bob Marks, and many others even mention the info on websites and books.

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This was horrible justification. "Professional" astrologers write a bunch of silly things on the web and on paper. Like Pluto ruling Scorpio, for instance. Unfortunately, anyone can write a book, and as Nicholas Culpepper put it "Some author says so, ergo 'tis true, right or wrong."