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posted October 25, 2008 06:49 AM         

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Ok i have bin comparing my chart to various people i know just out of interest.
I have discovered some rather amazing synastry aspects with someone i know..and that i don't think i should even have lol! Because well he is my love interests brother! I don't even feel that way inclined to him :/

ok heres some i discovered

His Venus in Aries conjuncts my N.N orb 3
His Venus conj. my Mars in Aries orb 0
His N.N in Aries conj. my Mars orb 0
His N.N square my MC in Capricorn orb 0
His Mars in Gem opposition my Venus in Sagitarius orb 1.

What do these aspects mean for each node person? I just find this amazing as our synastry chart is very populated lol its as if i'm attracted to the wrong brother lol

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posted October 25, 2008 10:20 AM         

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Maybe he is attracted to you... if the circumstances allow it
If they don't then, maybe you were together in another life ...

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posted October 25, 2008 10:26 AM         

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I don't know much here, but the Venus conjunct NN is I think pretty intense. My ex-husband and I had it ...he was Venus. I think that aspect is pretty powerful.

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posted October 25, 2008 11:34 AM         

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o my.. i mean i cannot believe the aspects i have with these two brothers. But the one that no way i even could look at like that is surprising. We have some very heavy connections I would have to say it is defintley past life related.

Also i have bin looking into Chiron and besides having to do with healing past wounds in various ways depending on what personal planets are involved..apparently in synastry it points to your soul mate!?!

My Chiron in Gem exactly conj his Mars..,sextile his venus/jupiter and opposition his saturn.

His Chiron opposition my Venus/Saturn in Sag.
vertex opp. venus/jupiter
his vertex opp. my moon and trine my neptune..

My Pluto in Scorp opp. his sun in Taurus
His Pluto conj. my Moon in Scorpio on the dot..
Sorry to go on but i just find this synastry very shocking to me.

Has to be past for sure!

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Moon:Scorpio 7H
Mercury:Aquarius 11H
Venus:Sagitarius 8H
Mars:Aries 12H
Jupiter:Pisces 12H
Saturn:Sagitarius 8H
Uranus:Sagitarius 9H
Neptune:Capricorn 9H
Pluto:Scorpio 7H
AC:Aries
MC:Capricorn

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posted October 25, 2008 05:32 PM         

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I wouldn't worry so much about the Nodes, to be honest, they really serve very little purpose except for in the case that MyVirgoMask cited

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I don't know much here, but the Venus conjunct NN is I think pretty intense

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What you have is the benefic Venus being superpowered by the benevolent North Node effectively making it super Venus, which is where the intensity comes in. Venus is now given much more weight by the magnifying nature of the North Node, and it could possibly have turned a negative Venus into a beneficial once for the relationship she's discussing.

You'll see me roll my eyes at Chiron the entirety of my stay here, so I'll spare you the rant on it.

As far as Synastry goes, I don't really like it's philosophy, I think the Davison chart gets the message across a lot more clearly, and it's an actual horoscope so it can be progressed and put under the influence of transits to make it susceptible to all predictive techniques. When I say "actual horoscope" I mean that there are "fake" horoscopes used in relational astrology, most notably the popular composite charts, though I feel Synastry trails as a close second, but I don't really have time to get into that.

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posted October 25, 2008 05:59 PM         

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Well today was the first time i have actually paid close attention to Chiron in terms of synastry.

But my point was of this post is that i have all this synastry aspects with someone that are meant to mean something but as far as this person goes i just can't relate to these aspects so maybe yes they are not as important as made out to be.

So for me i find it a little fascinating.

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posted October 25, 2008 05:59 PM         

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Senshi, you really don't think much of the Chiron stuff? I've had 2 relationships with people whose Venus (and Mars) conjunct my Chiron at a close orb and it was sheer hell...I hear all this amazing stuff about it, and I've found it to be like I could see through everything they did and it somehow pained me to the core in a way no one else I had ever been with.

I dunno, though...I am pretty new to astrology and pick up tidbits and I'm still trying to apply the whole thing...could've been other synastry stuff too, I guess.

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posted October 25, 2008 10:51 PM         

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I don't like Chiron because there's no real reason why Chiron should have any sort of astrological significance that can't be applied to about 15,000 other asteroid bodies in space, and I'm not ready to put all those other bodies in charts because there's no clear reason for differentiation. As for your case, it may very well have been some different synastry or Davison type stuff, it's difficult to tell without any visuals on these charts.

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posted October 26, 2008 01:52 AM         

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Sei, I am intrigued, as to why you put more emphasis on davidson then synastry? I do understand why you may deem composites irrelevant though

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posted October 26, 2008 03:25 AM         

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There are two points about Davison that I feel trump Synastry. The first is that the Davison chart is that of the relationship itself, so it's a chart of the two participants in the relationship as one entity. It's more relationship-based than the Synastry chart which turns out to be more individual based as it compares the individuals against one another, as opposed to having them represented by one thing as they are in the Davison. I enjoy the idea of a relational chart being of the actual relationship, not a comparison of those involved.

Secondly, all predictive techniques can be applied to Davison charts. Progression, Solar returns, Lunar returns, transits, the whole shebang. We all know that relationships grow and develop and that obstacles are put in front of and graces are bestowed upon relationships and life goes on, the Davison has the ability to reflect that in a way Synastry does not, as there is no way Synastry charts can be progressed or have planetary returns.

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posted October 26, 2008 04:22 AM         

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Interesting points Sei, gonna have to check em out.

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Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
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posted October 26, 2008 05:30 PM         

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i do not like davison charts. the composite of my ex and myself describes my daughter in no uncertain terms. "our" sun is her moon, "our" moon is her sun, and it goes on from there, involving the 4th, 1st and 7th houses as well as the 5th. this was a marriage that was all about her! (we split up when she was two and divorced when she was 18) not to say we didn't have a great love, or that we haven't been significant to each other in other ways, but it's gobsmackers like this that have convinced me that astrology works...but i do agree that synastry can be a dicey way of looking at a relationship, too bitty...

i will spare YOU my rant about chiron, Sei no, it's already on another thread.

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posted October 26, 2008 05:37 PM         

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I'm not sure on the Davison/Composite front, but I know that you can progress natal charts to compare synastry and a great deal of research has been done regarding relationships beginning based on comparison of natal to natal, natal to progressed, and progressed to progressed.

I checked this out w/ almost every relationship I've had and it's been spot on.

Darkdreamer had a great thread on it...and I can't seem to find it.

Here's Westran's site: http://www.positiveastrology.com/Articles/log-003.asp

As for North Node conjunct Venus, I'm currently experiencing this and it's straight up unconditional love. I'm Venus.

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posted October 26, 2008 06:03 PM         

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i have found the nodes to be extremely prominent in every significant relationship i have experienced and/or charted. despite what i said about synastry it can definitely show how different contacts affect the relationship. i just feel that synastry alone can lead one to judge a relationship too harshly or too optimistically since there are bound to be great and awful contacts in every relationship. the composite, to me, demonstrates the purpose and flavour of the relationship, can be progressed etc - and though it is true that it is an artifical construct it is no less so than davison charts and just plain works better for me...

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posted October 26, 2008 06:05 PM         

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hmm very interesting all!

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posted October 26, 2008 06:13 PM         

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Kat...are you pretty good at reading composites?

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posted October 26, 2008 07:06 PM         

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sorry for the stupid question but i cant seem to find the option to progress the Davidon chart in astro.com...where is it?

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posted October 26, 2008 08:03 PM         

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Hi Di,

Not a stupid question at all. I think you have to enter it as a birthchart and progress it that way, unless someone else knows a better method.

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posted October 26, 2008 09:55 PM         

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I've had NN conjunct Venus (I was Venus) and it seemed like I was way more into him than he was into me. My Sun and Mercury (my Chart Ruler) were also conjunct his DSC. We also had Moon/Moon conjunctions. He didn't want a girlfriend, I wanted a boyfriend, I met someone else and left him without an explanation.

But I guess the NN/Venus conjunction accounts for the fact that he's been contacting me. I suppose without it, he'd just let it be. He "misses" me (we both have other SOs). Speaking of which, the day he first contacted me since we stopped seeing each other was when Mercury was retrograding exactly over his Venus

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posted October 27, 2008 12:13 AM         

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I'm wondering about NN conjunct Vertex....I share this with someone (me being the vertex person)...

Amowls, I think I've heard the personal planet person feels the pull more than the NN person, and i think that might be true to an extent because my ex's Venus on my NN made him seem nuts for me...but then my Pluto was also square his Venus lol so I can't really quite back that one up.

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posted October 27, 2008 02:46 AM         

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Every single significant relationship I have ever had has either a Sun or Moon conjunction to either NN or SN. I believe very strongly that the nodes can play a huge part in synastry as well as Davison charts.

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posted October 28, 2008 10:23 PM         

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Aqua/Scorp,

House overlays have a very powerful effect on how synastry plays out, and is the most common reason why you can be attracted to someone with whom you have weak synastry, or, as in your case, not be attracted to someone with whom you have strong synasry. The houses most connected with attraction between the sexes are the 5th, 7th & 8th. If someone’s natal chart matches the symbolism of these houses then an attraction may occur even if the synastry is weak, if the symbolism of someone’s chart doesn't match the symbolism of these houses there is unlikely to be an attraction even if the synastry is strong. Look at the sign on the cusp of the house, the ruling planet of the cusp by sign, house and aspect, and of course any planets in that house, to see the 'theme' in each of these houses. It is also worth taking note of the next sign along after the cusp sign, especially if a large portion of that next sign falls into the house in question. The 'themes' reflected by these houses show what you need in a partner on various different levels. The symbolism of the 5th refer to what you find romantically exciting in others, the symbolism of the 7th refers to what you feel you need in others to complete you, and the symbolism of the 8th refers what you need to bond on a deeply intimate level.
Some other factors that I have noticed causing attraction, regardless of planet synastry, are hard aspects to the Vertex, especially the conjunction and opposition, and the partner's planets in the house symbolized by the Dsc sign. e.g. if you have an Aqua Dsc look at you 11th house to see if your partner has important planets in your 11th house, or if you have a Taurus Dsc look to see if your partners planets fall in you 2nd house etc. Good planet syanstry is positive in any relationship but it may not have a sexual flavor unless two people’s house symbolisms connect in certain ways. If your partners 5th, 7th & 8th relate to your chart symbolically this will create an attraction as well.
Also there is a lot to be said for timing and situation. If you had those same aspects with your grandpa, as you have with your partner’s brother, you probably wouldn't be attracted to him either. But you may like each other very much according to your relationship.
With regard to the nodes, connections to the south node represent the sheared past between you, and connections with the north node show how others help you grow forward.

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posted October 29, 2008 03:45 AM         

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Hey! Ok Cappa! Thanks very much this most likely explains alot of things. That was excellent

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posted October 30, 2008 02:10 AM         

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Your welcome!

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posted October 30, 2008 02:43 PM         

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EighthMoon - i am variable at composites. as with all charts - some speak to me and others do not! i have played around with them a fair amount.

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