posted October 30, 2008 08:39 AM         

everyone just says "balance them out" wtf does this mean, well yeah i know what it means but htf am i suppose to do that? can some one advise me how im suppose to do this?

or is the truth of the matter that nothing can be done about it?

it sucks.

stupid grand square, stupid.

yeh my aries moon has had its lot. lol

heres my collection of crap:

Major aspects
Sun Sextile Jupiter 6°46
Sun Trine Uranus 4°25
Moon Opposition Venus 5°50
Moon Quincunx Mars 2°12
Moon Square Jupiter 4°25
Moon Square Saturn 0°35
Moon Square Uranus 6°46
Moon Square Neptune 1°36
Moon Trine Ascendant 3°10
Venus Square Jupiter 1°25
Venus Square Saturn 5°14
Venus Square Uranus 0°56
Mars Trine Saturn 2°48
Mars Trine Neptune 0°36
Mars Sextile Pluto 2°06
Jupiter Opposition Saturn 3°49
Jupiter Opposition Uranus 2°21
Saturn Conjunction Neptune 2°11
Saturn Sextile Pluto 4°54
Neptune Sextile Pluto 2°43
Neptune Quincunx Ascendant 1°34
Pluto Square Ascendant 1°08
Numbers indicate orb (deviation from the exact aspect angle).

Planetary positions
planet sign degree motion
Sun Leo 27°06'00 end of house 1 direct
Moon Aries 8°16'56 in house 9 direct
Mercury Virgo 22°42'12 in house 3 direct
Venus Libra 2°27'19 in house 3 direct
Mars Virgo 10°29'12 in house 2 direct
Jupiter Cancer 3°52'22 in house 11 direct
Saturn Capricorn 7°41'40 in house 5 retrograde
Uranus Capricorn 1°31'09 in house 5 retrograde
Neptune Capricorn 9°52'43 end of house 5 retrograde
Pluto Scorpio 12°35'23 in house 4 direct
True Node Aquarius 25°48'28 in house 7 retrograde
Planets at the end of a house are interpreted in the next house.

House positions (Placidus)
Ascendant Leo 11°27'07
2nd House Leo 28°51'47
3rd House Virgo 21°30'32
Imum Coeli Libra 22°28'38
5th House Sagittarius 2°16'43
6th House Capricorn 11°15'47
Descendant Aquarius 11°27'07
8th House Aquarius 28°51'47
9th House Pisces 21°30'32
Medium Coeli Aries 22°28'38
11th House Gemini 2°16'43
12th House Cancer 11°15'47

posted October 30, 2008 09:49 AM         

For start-off it's not all crap.

Mars Trine Saturn 2°48

That's a real gift, resilience, self-control, strength.

Sound not quite right for Libra? I'd disagree. The strength to smooth things over, to stay calm when everyone else is losing their cool, getting the job done in difficult circumstances. Sound like you? If it doesn't, maybe life hasn't offered you the chance to show your strength yet.

Moon Square Saturn 0°35

Moon in Aries is direct, assertive in its feelings. Saturn puts that on a chain. That's tough, it's putting a brake on your emotional expression. But use it to it's strength, with Saturn making a flowing aspect to Mars (ruler of your Moon sign), what you have is a man to have around in a crisis.

Any chance you can put your chart up? It makes it easier to have a look.

posted October 30, 2008 09:55 AM         

thanks for the information, but i mean, how can i use those to my strengths, an example?

and do you have any advice to turn the weaknesses into just functionable assets? i hate the idea people see me as distant, and un emotional, or "hard to get to know me"

posted October 30, 2008 09:56 AM         

Channelling that energy into creativity is helpful, but most of all, is learning the lesson that sometimes it is better to keep my gob shut and say nothing. It's not always easy, I don't always get it right. But it's as simple as take a deep breath and count to 10.

There's some lesson in your Grand Square, and that's what gives it potential, it's not a trap.

posted October 30, 2008 10:16 AM         

And that makes me think, if you feel like people find you hard to get to know, maybe that is partly to blame. They might find you overpowering. If that's the case, maybe you need to remind yourself to back off a bit when you are coming on strong.

It could also explain why they find you hard to get to know, Pluto is all that is hidden and deep.

posted October 30, 2008 10:24 AM         

It would help if I could remember what he said, and what I said.

posted October 30, 2008 10:24 AM         

"This opposition indicates that a major source of dissatisfaction will occur in social relationships. You may feel emotionally blocked in dealing with others, and uneasy in social company. This may be a pattern persisting since childhood, when you may have felt unloved and misunderstood by your parents, especially your mother.

The opposition implies a psychological projection of inner unresolved issues onto people and the external world, creating an opportunity to experience these reflected back at you; your tensions and stresses are 'embodied' by others and demonstrated in the nature of your relationships with them. You have a tendency to feel unloved; and this insecurity is communicated in subtle ways to others, who may sense that you are 'hiding something'; this, in turn, casts doubt on your sincerity. As distance enters your relationships, your negative feelings and fears of being disliked are reinforced, and the cycle perpetuates itself. Others may find it hard to relax around you, perhaps may feel uncomfortable in your presence or ready to oppose or reject you, misunderstanding your attempts at contact and communication, and, feeling suspicious of your intentions, generally keep you at a distance.

Because vitalizing and harmonizing feelings are inwardly blocked, they fail to enter your social relationships. People may perceive youa s cold, unfriendly, or distant, and find it too much effort to spend time and energy slowly getting to know you. Your impression of reserve and disregard for social involvement works against you. It isn't really what you want; it's just that inner inhibitions are too active to allow you movement across those barriers whenever you want, or to allow others to cross toward you. Your attempts to share and communicate are erratic, often superficial, and lack a recognizable warmth. Even when you are admiring someone's achievements or making gestures of appreciation, there can be an unconvincing delivery, as though you are going through socially acceptable motions but not putting any heart into it. AS you know, this isn't the truth; but the inability to communicate your sensitive emotional nature to others creates a misleading impression of your character.

You may make compensatory attempts to avoid confronting your emotional unfulfillment; and these can include a preoccupation with material possessions, money, and comforts. You may attempt to form an identity and self-worth founded on physical acquisitions, or through a life-style which reflects Venusian tendencies toward sensuality and luxury. Sexual activity without emotional involvement may attract if opportunities present themselves, and may possibly be taken to gain some sense of security and attention from others, as well as for pleasure. Excessive food consumption or denial through anorexia may also act as compensatory actions. Passivity in relationships might be adopted, so that rejections caused by another's displeasure or conflicts created by your assertiveness are minimized.

Despite your efforts, social friction may persist, and often erupts through emotions and feelings, causing crises of adjustment until you resolve inner tendencies and understand that, despite your need for closeness, it is your unconscious behavior which pushes people away. Inner barriers need dismantling; and moving beyond your inhibiting patterns requires some risks and overcoming security needs. Be open to contact; be more friendly and less distant; share yourself more easily; drop expectations about people; be less judgemental. Try to relate intellectually rather than just emotionally, because your emotions still need cleansing and healing before their agitative vibration becomes more settled.

posted October 30, 2008 10:34 AM         

But yes, like I say, I had a friend with this. He'd get girlfriends, but always he was too intense, too fast. Relaxing and slowing it down would have helped. If they didn't get scared off, they would be the more insecure and unstable type of girl. They latched onto him, and when he had to go off and work it caused big problems because they couldn't cope with the temporary separation.

But, like I say, it worked out in the end. Experience made him relax and take it a bit easier at the beginning.

Not saying you are the same, but that is one case in point, someone I knew very well, at one time.

posted October 30, 2008 01:02 PM         

I heard the Saturn square Venus makes people sometimes painfully shy. Is that true?

I did have a friend whose Pluto squared his ascendant. He was really nonconfrontational (Cancer rising), and people tried to take advantage of him and were sorely mistaken to think his good nature would let it go on. He knew how to get even in some of the most underhanded ways...
I'm wondering also if Pluto square ascendant means you were driven pretty hard by your parents? My friend was by nature really laid back but his parents had a profound upbringing on him and not always in the nicest way...they were unrelenting. In a way, it's like he carried around that power which had been lorded over him and was always trying to get out from 'under' it...sometimes even seeking out scenarios with others on an unconscious level where he would kind of 'overthrow' their authority/power.

Doesn't sound pleasant, but he wasn't as self-aware as he should've been. I would think it would be different with you, esp. since you're practicing more self-awareness

posted October 30, 2008 01:13 PM         

extremely shy? its really hard for me to pin it down on 1 thing really, externally, i appear shy, internally, its a matter of diff things.

im not shy of people where im like affraid, or have to hide from them.

but with my venus opposition moon, i feel a bit uneasy to near - uncomfortable when talking to random strangers, it just feels random. so i avoid typical situations of talking to people if i can. other times i don't really have this problem in situations, i think its my aries moon that wishes to challenge these feelings a lot, so that they go away. i'd basically say due to my grandsquare, some aspects, and my planetary positions, that i am a cross between introverted and a bit shy. and other times my friends and alcohol bring me into a extroverted state.

i really can't pin how i am down to one thing, but in general im more introverted, my aspects probably make me shy in certain situations.

i also suffer with something called emetophobia, which pretty much killed off all my confidence and "extroversion" off from when i younger (i used to allways be extroverted) now im not. (at that younger age i think thats when i was a real Leo and Aries moon).

as i said in another topic, my leo and aries feel like my pets in my mind. coz i look at them as immature lol and sometimes a little aries or leo, or both can come out of my personality if im being challenged or competitive, but usually i keep these leo/aries as thoughts rather than expressions, as much as i like confrontations, i dislike them, and i don't like anti-friendly competitiveness. and again, sometimes i do lol, its all my grand square i think, i love and hate arguments.

posted October 30, 2008 04:38 PM         

I used to be really shy and then was in situations that forced me to be extroverted. I think it tramatized me, LOL. It took years to get back to a state where I am outgoing, but internally really shy. A lot of people never believe it, but I am.

I think the Leo and Aries parts are good, they are like tools you can use. When things are confusing, you can use that to cut through the fog and make decisions if you have to.