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Green Fairy
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posted November 01, 2008 07:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Green Fairy     Edit/Delete Message
What happens when one House extends to more than one sign?
For example, someone has a Virgo DSC, but his/her 7th H contains Libra and Scorpio as well. Would that signify anything?

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Kick It
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posted November 01, 2008 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
One reason is that you are using the wrong house system.

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annaf
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posted November 01, 2008 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for annaf     Edit/Delete Message
Kick it,

so what are you suggesting? Are you using the equal house system?

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blue moon
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posted November 01, 2008 09:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
It means they were born in the North and are using Placidus.

I use that, though I started off with use Equal House.

Maybe try both and see how you feel about it. They're different methods of symbolic division, there's no absolute answer.

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Green Fairy
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posted November 01, 2008 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Green Fairy     Edit/Delete Message
Only Placidus works for me. Anything else makes no sense.
That's not quite what I meant with my post though. o_O

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blue moon
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posted November 01, 2008 10:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Do you mean the significance of those signs intercepted in the houses?

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katatonic
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posted November 01, 2008 11:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message
if they WERE born far north it would account for that situation... if you use KOCH house system, which is not THAT far off placidus, it is designed to make the extreme lats more workable...i learned charting in the uk where a lot of people were born at high lats and it works very well...i tend to use it for everybody and find it preferable to placidus.

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Green Fairy
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posted November 01, 2008 01:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Green Fairy     Edit/Delete Message
I'm not talking about charting people.
According to my example,
Virgo DSC natives attract hardworking, efficient, and exacting partners who help them manage their practical affairs
Wouldn't Libra and Scorpio affect the way this DSC's functions as well?

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Do you mean the significance of those signs intercepted in the houses?
Yes.

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blue moon
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posted November 01, 2008 01:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
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First and Seventh Houses: The problem areas are “presenting” yourself (1st house) and partnerships (7th house). The nature of the intercepted signs will show the specific problem areas.

From Bob Marks page, he outlines the signs on the same page:

http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/Intercepted_signs.htm


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when a sign lacks a house cusp, it may not have a particularly easy way to express itself. It's still working under the surface, but it may not be able to express itself easily.

http://www.planetwaves.net/cainer/archive/003540.php

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aqua/scorp
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posted November 01, 2008 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aqua/scorp     Edit/Delete Message
Hi, hope this helps too
http://www.strangehouse.com/intercepted-signs/index.php

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Kick It
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posted November 01, 2008 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
Equal/whole sign....just slight differences.
The good bit about them two is you dont get lots of signs in one house. It removes the problem.
Yes, I know astro.com uses placidus as default.

A big argument in astrology is which house system to use. There are many. Lots of people think they have the best one. They are wrong, I am right

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posted November 01, 2008 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 23     Edit/Delete Message
That's Kick It's Aries Moon talking, *always* right

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Green Fairy
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posted November 01, 2008 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Green Fairy     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you so much for the links. "Intercepted houses", that's what I was talking about.

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mmmland
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posted November 01, 2008 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mmmland     Edit/Delete Message
Hi!
If someone can post my chart I think it would be a perfect example.. My 1st and 7th house span 3 signs..

Born dec 5 1973 at 11:35 am Trondheim Norway

Feel free to tell me what you think.

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Lara
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posted November 01, 2008 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
my 1st and 7th span 3 too... but l use equal hahaha

and nothing else exists

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Deliverance
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posted November 01, 2008 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Deliverance     Edit/Delete Message
Mmmland,

Dunno why but I feel dizzy after looking at your chart - and I bit frightened to be honest. I find the irregular sizes houses intimidating.

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mmmland
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posted November 01, 2008 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mmmland     Edit/Delete Message
I tend to have that effect on people.........Ha Ha..

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blue moon
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posted November 01, 2008 06:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for blue moon     Edit/Delete Message
Whatever house system you use there will still be a Cradle configuration on the left of the chart ~ with Moon/Pluto/Jupiter/Neptune. Looks nice.

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Green Fairy
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posted November 02, 2008 05:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Green Fairy     Edit/Delete Message
Whoa at your 1st-7th

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Green Fairy
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posted November 02, 2008 08:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Green Fairy     Edit/Delete Message
Astrological Chart Intepretation by Morin de Villefranche [excerpt]


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How to proceed when two or more Planets occupy a House

The more planets there are physically together in a house, the more this will indicate something extraordinary in terms of the house meanings.

When many planets occupy the same house, each operates according to its nature and its own other determinations.

Each one must first be considered according to the rules numbered from 22 to 53.

The most powerful action on the house significations will come from whichever one of the planets is also the house ruler; then, from that one which is in exaltation; and in the third place, from the one possessing the closest natural analogy with the house meanings.

When the dignity and analogy are not found together in the same planet, one must take into consideration the two or three planets together in which these conditions are separately realized.

The fourth place in order of power goes to the planet which is nearest to the house cusp.

When, among many planets occupying the same house, some correspond by their analogy to the meanings attached to the house, whereas others are contrary to them, it is necessary to ascertain which of these two groups is the most powerful.
If the former, the affairs indicated will be achieved; if the latter, their realization will be impeded or prevented.

When the planets occupying the same house are all benefics, they anticipate the fulfillment of the good fortune and the supression of misfortune indicated by the house.
If they are malefics, the contrary will occur, unless they are in good zodiacal state in a favorable house.

If some are benefics, and others malefics, it will be necessary to examine with care which ones of the two groups are the most powerful, and to judge according to the result of this organization.

Consider the following:
If, in a fortunate house, a benefic planet is followed * by another benefic, this indicates that the good produced by the house affairs will be stable.
If the benefic is followed by a malefic, the fortune acquired will be lost.
In an unfortunate house, a benefic followed by another benefic indicates that the misfortune will not be realized, or if it is, in an extremely limited way.
If this benefic is followed by a malefic, however, the misfortune signified by the house will certainly occur, but the native will escape it.
But if a malefic is followed by another malefic, the misfortunes caused will be very serious and the native will never escape them.

By "benefic" and "malefic" we mean as defined in Rule 26.

*In the direction of the diurnal movement of the Sphere; the body which precedes is thus the one closest to the cusp, the one which follows is further away.

When many planets are found together in the same house and their dispositor is located in another, the affairs signified by this latter will form the point of departure for whatever fortune or misfortune is produced by the group of planets. (Cf. Rule 63)



http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrology-books/astrological-chart-interpretation.php

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