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Topic: mars in libra at an aries point in the first house!?!
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heart cakes
Knowflake Posts: 1561
From: canada
Registered: Sep 2007
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posted November 01, 2008 03:08 PM
 
what oh what do i make of this??
it seems like one giant contradiction!kim falconer says mars at an aries point "suggests our assertive, direct and action oriented qualities grab the attention of society. We are seen as commanding, raw and imposing. The famous warrior." AND it is in the first house! buuuut being in libra, it is "other-oriented".. so what do i look to to see how his mars goes about its marsing? aspects? well his mars squares his sun and mercury, trines his venus, sextiles his uranus and trines his MC. hmmmmm, does that mean his attempts at assertion are thwarted generally, in a personal sense, but have a more harmonious higher purpose? and how do i factor in the OTHER-orientation?? he is one of the kindest people i've ever met and goes out on a limb, constantly, to support and help other people. he has big time trouble making decisions and feels selfish when he wants to do anything for himself. he wants people to get along and has the makings of an amazing mediator. he's definitely got all the mars in libra stuff going on. but it seems like a major "issue" in his chart; his feeling selfish when he thinks of himself instead of others, and a frustration that results. how would this energy be ideally manifest and balanced? i hope some of this makes sense! does anyone have any intuitions about how to look at this seeming contradictory placement for mars? i really want to help him with this cuz it's such an energetic, but kinda thwarted placement, i think, and i'd like to help him find the balance. i'd also like to understand it better and think i'm missing something.. thank you!! IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted November 01, 2008 03:40 PM
Well it could be as simple as saying Mars is in detriment. Mars is about self, it is about conquest, execution of decisions and rules Aries. Aries is associated with the first house or the Ascendant. When Mars is in Libra, you are considering the other and you are weighing up all minutae to make a decision, making decisions is hard. When Mars is in Libra in the 1st, then you are getting confused in that it is about yourself but feel obliged to consider the other, you will be constantly weighing up details re yourself and the other. This becomes very personal to you because it is in the 1st and it becomes obvious to others. When it is at an Aries point, ie a zero deg point that is angular, then Mars (or any planet) is weakened because it used up all its energy to make decisions at 29 deg for the last sign. It is particularly strong if it is on a cardinal zero degrees. So for this person, they are having trouble with the me-you and decision-indecision polarity and are still trying to get their head together concerning their Martian powers because it is at zero degrees. How to rectify this? Well, there is never going to be complete rectification for this person but this person as they age may develop a system using other elements in their chart to somehow contain these "problems". IP: Logged |
heart cakes
Knowflake Posts: 1561
From: canada
Registered: Sep 2007
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posted November 01, 2008 03:54 PM
thanks 23!! i'm feeling like his sun, which is also at an aries point, 0 deg capricorn, is perhaps a clue, or a saving grace, despite being at a square aspect to his mars.. but then again, maybe it adds to the frustration, cuz he feels so responsible toward others.. HMMM. thanks for your insight.. i guess that was what i was worrying; that there is no easy rectification to be had. well his mars makes some good aspects to my chart, and also trines mine, and with his venus trining his mars, maybe there is some encouragement or focus i can give him, or maybe our love will help him with this too. also his venus conjuncts my mars (and sun and mercury). AND my venus conjunts his sun too, within a degree. HOWEVER it also squares his mars, so maybe it exacerbates the problem!! i am hoping this can be somehow solved eventually, cuz i feel that tension in him and it's quite a doozy for him!! IP: Logged |
heart cakes
Knowflake Posts: 1561
From: canada
Registered: Sep 2007
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posted November 01, 2008 04:00 PM
ahhhh i just thought of something interesting!! he is always telling me how much he admires my focus and drive and my dedication to the things that matter to me (such as studying astrology, etc). perhaps his mars (via his venus) is being activated by my mercury conjunct mars. they are exact (and conj his venus by 4 deg) and i have a very strong and natural ability to focus, and i feel that is mars giving my mercury a very big boost and staying power. so i feel like i do help his mars because he's always saying he feels so eager to get himself together and live his life how HE wants to by my presence and words, etc. so i think it must be the trine!! neato!IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted November 01, 2008 04:27 PM
I think the synastry you have with him should help him out. Your Mars might be able to teach his Mars about executive decisions and provide some energy to it, also Venus would be very supportive of his Sun. quote:
well his mars squares his sun and mercury, trines his venus, sextiles his uranus and trines his MC.
I think (as you mentioned), his Sun and Mercury are of help here. Although there is conflict between these two planets and his Sun/Mercury, there is energy and action that can be harnessed from these squares. Also his Sun/Merc are not in detriment and it is two against one, so these two would have the upper hand here. Sun would at least provide him some ability to be constant and because it is in Capricorn, stamina and persistence. Mercury in Cap would at least allow him to think in a practical way. I think though there is much to be said about the trine between Venus and Mars. Venus is his values system, what he values. If he can define his values system (and use the other two planets), he might be able to direct his Mars in that direction. He should make decisions on the basis of his values system. Get him to ask himself what he values. His Mars is in Libra though, he will still be umming and aahing but he can use those other planets as a compass. Uranus and MC sextile to Mars: Uranus will at least make him inventive that cooperates with Mars. Uranus is intuitive by nature, he should tap into that intuition. And at least his Mars is supportive of his future direction. IP: Logged |
heart cakes
Knowflake Posts: 1561
From: canada
Registered: Sep 2007
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posted November 01, 2008 04:38 PM
23, howdyou get so smart?! thank you so much!! wow all of that makes a lot of sense.. i really appreciate your astutitude!! and everything you said, i *feel* in him. the immense intuition, stamina and practicality.. and i can see how that can harness his mars and eventually he can organize these energies into a cohesive whole. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted November 01, 2008 04:42 PM
Good to be of some help  Try it out on him, see what he does. IP: Logged |
heart cakes
Knowflake Posts: 1561
From: canada
Registered: Sep 2007
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posted November 01, 2008 04:44 PM
yes! i'm definitely excited to explain this to him.. i am very sure he will be grateful!!IP: Logged |
cristiname
Knowflake Posts: 506
From: Earth. Welcome!
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted November 02, 2008 07:04 AM
Mars in Libra still gets what it wants, and still does things "his way"; it's just more polite and more considerated than say Aries Mars; it makes it in a way that the other doesn't feel any threats, doesn't feel pushed; the other almost feels like it was their idea in the fist place. the best example can think of right now is a sales representative. a very good, successful one. anyone who enters 'the store' will exit as a happy buyer, even if they had no use for that 'product' or never wanted to "buy it" in the first place. but the sales-rep was so charming, and so nice  libra is the sign of diplomacy. Mars here is a great placement for getting what you want in a nice way, win-win (Aries Mars will always get in a situation where one wins, the other loses). this is a great way to keep friends and contacts even if you have disagreements - because you will deal with them very effectively and noone will feel like a looser afterwards. the AP means that this side of you will be something others will know about you. it will be something you'll be known by in your circle. it doesn't always mean you'll be famous world-wise. something like a nick-name. you will be known by this. of course, your own moral code will be imp. you can always use this for the dark side  IP: Logged |
heart cakes
Knowflake Posts: 1561
From: canada
Registered: Sep 2007
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posted November 04, 2008 02:16 PM
hey again cristiname!!that is really interesting because he doesn't seem to have that quality, though i can definitely see how that would be a real possibility with this placement. in fact, according to noel tyl, the blend of his cap sun and scorp moon also indicates a very decisive, powerful orientation. i feel he is a little more wobbly and hasn't grown into that part of him yet. ALTHOUGH i must say, he is always trying to make plans and he has tremendous integrity.. i just feel the libra mars trips him up in that he has a really hard time making decisions and sticking with them (he feels selfish to think about himself). i think if he could attain a balance within all of these placements, he would have a very powerful persona and ablility to do a lot with that power, because he definitely has the integrity and the drive.. it's just a frustrated drive!! IP: Logged |
cristiname
Knowflake Posts: 506
From: Earth. Welcome!
Registered: Jul 2003
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posted November 05, 2008 04:13 AM
yeah, libra can be like that about decissions.
and it could be more difficult for a guy, I guess. to be honest, I'd sure like his own insight on this
I know a judge - cap sun, libra moon, sag venus, sco mars. he's fair, and comands respect to everyone, etc. but in his effort to be perfectly "just", his judgement seems to last longer than other judges.
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