posted November 05, 2008 08:33 AM         

Well,since you finished to post here (more or less about 2 years ago) i continued,along with DD,Izo,Cat and others who became dear friends now, to further dtudy this debated theme about the Dracos.

It was you IQ who first put that interesting charts into our minds,so here it goes i hope to be better now on interpretation).
DRACO to DRACO- maybe showing our past interactions and "Story" with one another:

Cj/Opositions within 3orb
Square/trine/sextile within 1orb

His to Mine:

His ASC exact cj my Eros
Our Eros are in trine
His Venus cj my Sun
His IC cj my Merc
His Saturn exact cj my ASC
His Mars exact cj my Psyche
His Jup trine my P.F/NN
His Neptune(ruler of his 12H) sextile my ASC
His pLUTO (RULER OF 8h)cj my ASC
His NN cj my P.F.
hIS KIRon cj my Osiris/square Valentine
His P.F opose my Venus/trine my Isis/Pluto
His AntiVx cj my Moon
His JUNO trine my Mars/VX/Valentine/Karma
His Valentine cj my Moon/squares my Venus
His Karma exact sextile NN and P.F.
His Karma wide cj my VX
His UNION exact trine my ASC
his OSIRIS cj my SN/trine my VX and karma
HIS ISIS cj my SN/opose my P.F.
HIs Psyche trine my Moon
His EROS square my Valentine and karma/ opose my Osiris and wide cj Psyche

His DSC cj my IC( note that his D.IC also cj my natal IC 1orb)

posted November 05, 2008 09:08 AM         

As our axis are so deeply interlinked with each other,i supose that indeed we had a conection in the past.And that maybe that is why we felt a familiar conection when we meet ( the iC´S conects onto the present) the asteroid Eros there indicates possible intimate relationship.

i used your asteroids cause indeed they might show important patterns that might not be so clear just by the planets interaction:

his venus cj my sun - here i see his love planet conected with my personality,so might point torwards a past lover. If we look into the VX/NN conections,these "Destiny´s Gates" are interlinked with the "lovers" asteroids:my SN cj his Isis/Osiris and my VX trine his Juno/isis/Osiris.
Also,my UNION trine his VX while his UNION trine my ASC and squares my Juno.we see here the asteroid of "comitted relationship" in conection with the other "comitted partner" and the axis again.

Saturn and pluto cj my ASC - points to a bond hard to break cause saturn structures,stabilizes but also hold onto sth.In this case holds on to myself ( oposing DSC im also bonded to him as a partner). Pluto ends up for adding intensity to this aspect,and also might indicate possible past power struggles or transformations when it comes to how i was seen by others?

My stellium of karma/mars/valentine falls into his 2nd - so..apart from being materialy stabilized,i also looked for confort with him,in a way that i could strengthned my self-esteem and personal value.

his Juno ( partner) trine this stellium,and also his OSIRIS trines it - here i would say that he embodied my perfect husband,while giving me love,energy,and keeping a promise of being my life partner ( involved also his isis/osiris cj my sn,therefore indicating a future conection)?

My Sun and Osiris sextiled his Sun - so i we were compatible not only in personality as well i searched in him again the image of ideal partner.

We were intimate regarding our eros conections and here i included eros cj psyche ( even if 5º) cause my psyche cj is mars.Being mars the planet of sex/energy/ i would see it as a kind of eros´s tone.

I looked upon name asteroids.

Even if in Past we were not the today´s Self´s, in the Present we brought sth from those past conections.So,might show some interesting interlinks:

his Jonnhy ( how i treat him) cj my SN
his JohnPaul (his real name)trines MY VX/Valentine/Karma and also Jonnhy exact

hIS ANNA (falls into my 5H)sextiles my VX and Jonnhy.Oposes both my Valentine and karma.

My Jonnhy squares his ASC.Wide trine his ISIS/OSIRIS ( 3º/5º)

My JohnPaul falls into his 12h(of past lifes).

My ANNA trines his Moon/SATURN/pLUTO/uNION.

posted November 05, 2008 09:38 AM         

As for help, i would also look at Draco Composite to see how the relationship could have manifested in the Past.

At last,the Natal to Natal ( which i already looked ats everal times) but now can help to determine the pattern between the present and Past.

EDITED:

DRACO to NATAL

HIS to MINE

Sun cj my Isis /widely my NN(5)
Moon opose mY Osiris and my Juno wide(4)
Moon square my Valentine/Mars
Moon trine my MC
Venus cj my NN wide(4)/trine Ce/lilith
Venus square my Amor
Mars cj my VENUS (0)
Jup trine my DSC
Saturn/Pluto trine Amor/square VX
Kiron cj my Lilith/Ceres
VX cj my Sun and exact trine my JUNO
Juno opose my Amor/ trine my Moon (3)
Karma wide trine my ASC (4)
Valentine opose my Sun/trine MC
AMOR exact cj my ANNA nad cj kiron/trine ASC
IS/OSI trine my Moon (3)
IS/OSI exact solstice cj my DSC
Destinn cj my IC
ANNA opose my Moon/wide trine Venus (2)
JONNHY cj my asc (5)
ASC cj my VX(4)
IC cj my IC (1)
DSC solstice cj my Amor

MY DRACO to his NATAL

posted November 05, 2008 03:57 PM         

i noticed that we have some interesting conections about our IS/OS and the other+s personal planets Mo/Sun.

this might show a good blending between our Ying/yang energies.

Juno is also very much interlinked with (again)the lovers asteroids like amor and valentine.this tends to make me think that we passed onto this life somekind of "lovers karma" in order to achieve a deeper conection of our Souls.

The DW of ve/mars shows an irresistible atraction,deep intensity and passion ( maybe strentned by the fact we have C.Sun cj C.Ve cj C.Eros in composite).

Again,a masculine energie combined with the feminine ( also seen before with siva/kaali and eros/psyche).

The sun/ven cj as well as the sun/valentine cj shows a deep bond where the two really love each other in purity of heart.The harmony,caring and loving affection that existed in the Past (ve cj sun)passed onto this reality ( sun cj valentine),where love is in our paths ( ve cj NN).
In sinastry,there´s a wide cj of one´s Valentine and the other´s NN - but i would count this cause:

- Composit D. Valentine cj my D. isis
- Composit D. Valentin cj his ASC wide
- ... ... cj his IC and Destinn
- ... .. cj my VX/jonnhy

- Composit Valentine cj his D.Saturn/his NN
- Composit Valentine cj my D.ASC/cj MC and trine Amor.

posted November 05, 2008 04:22 PM         

his amor by conjuncting my anna shows a bond where it was "Me as Anna in this lifetime" who he was destined to meet with.He seems to romanticize me,NS Mybw it is through me that he feels the idealistical love.
Also,when when i also show my love (amor) to him, he is seen as my committed partner,and acts like it (juno).there is a DW on amor/juno.

his jonnhy cj my asc - here again we see that we were destined to meet.Pointed also by his Destinn cj my IC and his ASC cj my VX.

Solstice conjunctions:

is/osiris conects with dsc - again marriage and ideal partners interlinked ( also dsc solst. cj. amor).

we seem to have great impact on one another´s intimate self´s ( ic cj D.ic).

tHERE´is a Dw between our Destinn - axis.
Asc - Vx cj. and the asc-NN cj ( even wide) makes me count the wider orbs cause this indicates a pattern emerging: since the angles move so fast,there would be a low probability of finding so many "Fated" conections between each other - but indeed here they are.
Also, i counted the sun cj NN ( even if it is 5º) cause the day we met i was having Tr. Sun cj my NN exact - this indicates the meeting with a man that would be important to my own Path/Life.

Kiron figures strongly in all our charts:

posted November 06, 2008 10:15 AM         

First,are the composite planet.And then i listed what aspects do the C.PLanet does with N.Planet.

- SU/Ve/Eros/cj in 1st house - all trine MC

- C.Kaali in 1st cj his natal Venus
- C.Venus cj his natal Amor
- C.Venus opose my Amor - DW!
- C.Su/Eros wide cj his Venus 4)
- C.Ve wide cj my sun(6)
- C.Mars cj mY ASC / CJ HIS sun

- C.Psyc/Plu/Saturn cj in 3rd

- C.above cj his saturn and Pluto also nataly,and my satur/Pluto natally.

- C. Jup is cj IC in Scorp.
- C.Jup cj my Psyche and trine my Moon
- C.Jup cj his Siva

- C.NEptune is in the 4H
- Cj his Juno

- C. SIva is in the 5H.Cj SN and opose Valentine.
- C. Siva cj my IC.Opose my Eros.
- c. Siva cj his IS/OSI

- C.VX is trine amor and kikunx Valentine
- C. VX cj his Moon
- C. VX cj my Siva and opose my Karma

- C.JUNO exact cj our C.DSC. Trines Sa/Pl/NN/Pscy/Karma
- C.Juno cj his Part.Wedding (0)
- C. Juno opose my Sun

- C. Moon is in 8th.Opose merc and mars.trine Uranus.
- C. Moon exact cj my DSC.
- C. Moon opose his Sun

- C. Kiron is in MC cj.(retro).Trine SUn/merc/mars/karma and Lilith.Squares Juno and sextile Moon.

- C.Osiris is placed in 7H.Trines C.NN/C.Valentine and cj C.Juno

It oposes my sun.

- C.ISIS (cj C.Moon).
- C.IS cj my natal DSC.
- C.IS Oposes his Sun.

- C.Amor trines C.VX.
- C.Amor cj his Valentine.Opose his VX
- C.Amor cj my Vesta

- C.Karma ( Cj C.NN) trine C.Sa/Pl/Juno
- C.Karm cj his 12Hcusp.Opose his JUNO
- c.Karm cj my NN and my IS

- C.NN cj his 12Hcsup
- C.NN cj my Isis

- C.VALENTINE (sextile C.Ve/Union.squares VX/IS).
- C. VA cj his NN.
- C. VA it´s solstice conjunt my NN also!

posted November 06, 2008 04:04 PM         

-Uranus was cj the ASC - It pointed torwards unpredictable or unconvencional relationship,or that we were very fond of our individuality as free Spirits?Also our relationship must have changed our lifes very deeply.

- Kiron was cj DSC:so our relationship had a high healing quality.Trined mar/sun/merc

- nEPTUNE WAS exact in 2ndCusp,trine MC.

- Juno and Osiris passed into the 4H

- Moon in 5H,trine ASC.We had close understanding of each other.We felt as one,making our bond even deeper.Being in 5H indicated taht our relationship made us feel good emotionally.

- Union/VX cj in 6h.trine valentine

- Amor in the 7H.sextile Valent.and square Venus.Maybe our way of loving was at odds with our love´s needs?

- Karma/NN cj in the 8H. Trine Pl/Saturn

- Valentine in 8H - we expressed true love through in our intimacy

- Ve/Sun cj in 10H ur experience of love affected deeply our lives,permiting us to discover what we wanted and how true love reinforces us.

- Mars cj Merc in 11h AND Sa/Pl cj in here :
maybe saturn cooled our friendship or we had few friends outside our relationship?

posted November 06, 2008 04:10 PM         

why don`t you look at your Draco synastry the way IQ suggested on his site?
So you could concentrate on the most important and telling connections.

I think you did such a work here with your connections; wonderful.
But quite honestly, it`s too much to interprete.

posted November 07, 2008 08:30 AM         

"Karma/NN cj in the 8H. Trine Pl/Saturn"
Truly fated that your souls will establish a formal relationship with each other, which will benefit your evolution and balance out karmic debts.

"- Valentine in 8H - we expressed true love through in our intimacy "
I read it as estabishing love.

The Draconic to Draconic Synastry tells such a wonderful story of a loving soulmate relationship. Juno, Psyche, Moon, NN, Valentine and Karma are all harmoniously aspected.

posted November 07, 2008 08:38 AM         

yES,when i looked at it after all the work,i also thought that!But my problem is to know how to resume all this...

Where is IQ´s Site?I didnt saw that.

thankx for the tip.

posted November 07, 2008 09:40 AM         

Thankx IQ for having a look at this.

I apreciate.

So yes,it seems that we are somehow bonded from past lifes to have again a love history,trhough which will make us better individuals.

posted November 10, 2008 05:33 PM         

If i compare the Draco Composite with the natals,would that indicate what "needs to be done" as a couple?

posted November 11, 2008 03:27 PM         

Ok i have compared then our Draco with our natals:

Using only cj/opositions and trines of 3orb:

Draco to my natal:

D.Sun cj my NN 0
D.Moon cj my IC 1
D.Moon trines my Sun 1 and Juno 2
D.mARS cj my Eros 2 and MC 2
D.Saturn/Pluto cj my Angel and Union 2
D.NN cj my UNION 1
D.Kiron cj my Venus
D.Juno opose my Kiron
D.Juno cj my DSC 4
D.AMOR exact cj my AMOR
D.ANGEL cj my AMor
D.KARMA cj my Angel and UNION 2
D.VALENTINE trines my Mars and Valentine 2/ trines my KARMA 1
D.PSYCH exact cj my UNION
D.EROS cj my NN 1
D.ASC cj my Sun 1 and trine Juno 2

BTW - Draco Amor cj Draco Angel exact in 7H

it seems that i have to learn with this relationship about sexuality and erotic energies exchange ( eros and nn conections).

This love is much about past wounds maybe and present healings ( venus and kiron related and also juno with kiron).

The conection with IC and Moon shows that the emotional bond in the Past might awaken my Deepest Self?

Valentine is here again conected with karma and valentine - therefore Im able to feel the uncondicional love that we shared in the Past - and the Amor-Amor conjunction understates that also

posted November 11, 2008 03:44 PM         

D.Sun trines Sun 1/Moon 4/Union 2
D.Moon opose his NN 3/cj his IS/OSI
D.Ve cj his VALENTINE 2 / trine Psych
D.Mars exact cj NN /trines karma and Angel
D.Saturn/Pl cj his ASC 2
D.NN trine his Eros 0
D.Kiron cj his Part Wedding 0
D.JUNO cj his Eros 1 - cj his POM 0!
D.AMOR opose his AMOR 0 - DW
D.ANGEL opose his AMOR 2 -DW
D.KARMA cj 12thCusp and opose Pluto
D.KARMA Trine Union 2 and Saturn/Pl 2
D.VALENTINE cj MC 2
D.PSYCHE cj ASC 1
D.EROS trine Moon 3 trine Saturn 2
D.DSC cj Part Wedding 1

So some of them shows that he has some deep intuitive understanding of our Past ( maybe uncounscious though cause of Psych cj asc..).
He is again here the ideal male/husband who might have been established a soul contract to be again in the Present,my partner ( part wedding cj dsc and juno cj POM).

We share DW of Amor/Amor and Angel/Amor - we share an uncondicional love for each other and represent a spiritual guide to each other also?

posted November 11, 2008 05:59 PM         

But i included the ASC since the birth times are exact.

EDITED:Hmm it seems to high isnt it?I hope i have not mistaken my calculations..

I did like this:HIS - MINE

10 POINTS
J´s Sat cj Pl/trine NN/sextil Ve
J´s Karm cj Juno/Sextile Eros
J´s Valent sextil Karma/Sext valent
J´s Jun trine Ve/sextile Satr/Sextil Pl
J´s Psych sextil Mars/Sextil Karm/Sext Pl

5 POINTS

J´s Moon trin NN
J´s NN cj Eros
J´s Am sext Psy / sext Eros
J´s Union trin pl/ Trin NN

3 POINTS

J´s Sun cj ASC
J´s Mars trin amrs/Trin Valent/sext ASC
J´S Pl sext Ve/Cj Pl

MINE-HIS

A´s Eros cj NN 10 POINTS

A´s Moon trin Ve 5 POINTS
A´s Union cj ASC

A´s Sun seXT NN/ Trine Karma 3 POINTS
A´s Angel sext Venus

posted November 12, 2008 09:28 AM         

Well im a Virgo and i like to understand most of things - (not necessarily to racionalize) but i have a wide interest about past lifes for instance.

And i have a lot to work in Myself and in how i interact in a love relationship.

I feel i must know some energies that are more hidden ( and more profound) that makes me different on reacting and thinking ( and also im certain i had some traumas in love in past lives...).

I feel i would be a better person and better girlfriend if i understand our own past interactions and why some situations appear in circle.

In my mind i know what i feel and what J. means to me,but i need to study astrology in depth in order to consciencialize myself of the complexity of the Reality that is the NOW, compared to WHAT WAS IN THE PAST.

posted November 15, 2008 02:33 PM         

Would you please look at my gathered information of the natals comparison with the Draco Composite?

Would you agree with my own interpretation,or would you say other lessons?

posted November 15, 2008 03:46 PM         

Yes,i also thought about that too..its intuitive just though...

I remenber one time, that Izo told me that the fact that he has his Juno opose my NN means that in this life he must be more pacient and not judgemental in relating to me ( cause in the past we behaved ibad in these terms).