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Glaucus
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posted November 16, 2008 04:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I looked at some asteroids in Obama's chart

there is a lot of talk about a possibility of being a reincarnation of an Abraham Lincoln. What if he is the reincarnation of somebody else,but lived in Lincoln's time?

well...my first thought was another man born of interracial white and black parentage like Barack. He was the son of a black slave woman and a white man who might have been his master. He taught himself to read. He ran away with the help of his wife. He ended up being a leading abolutionist. He made numerous speeches about his life as a
slave. He was so eloquent that there were people that doubted that he was actually a slave. He ended up writing a book about his life,and he ended up being one of those wanted for capture. He ran away to England. Later on his English friends bought his freedom,and he returned back
to the United States. To make the long story short, he ended up befriending Abraham Lincoln,and was an advisor to him in regards to black soldiers in the Union Army.

He was an abolitionist, women's suffragist, editor, orator, author,statesman and reformer. Called "The Sage of Anacostia" and "The Lion of Anacostia

He became the first African-American nominated as a Vice Presidential candidate,running on the Equal Rights Party ticket with Victoria Woodhull, the first woman to run for President of the United States.

He was a firm believer in the equality of all people, whether black,female, Native American, or recent immigrant. He was fond of saying, "I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong."

as he got older,his wife died. He ended up being remarried to a white feminist that was 20 years younger than him.

He got flack from many whites and blacks.

his response

"my first wife was the color of my mother,and now my second wife is the color of my father"


At the 1888 Republican National Convention,he became the first African-American to receive a vote for President of the United States in a major party's roll call vote

I am referring to Frederick Douglass
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Douglass


I checked out Obama's chart
I checked both Lincoln and Douglas in his natal chart.


His Lincoln is is in 28'50 Capricorn Retrograde in 12th conjunct his Saturn in 25'20 Capricorn Retrograde and Jupiter in 0'52 Retrograde in 12th, sextile his Midheaven in 28'53 Scorpio,quincunx/semisextile Lunar Nodes in 27'18 Leo/Aquarius.

His Lincoln sextile Midheaven with 3 minutes of arc is amazing. This would seem that Abraham Lincoln did shape his life in some way,and that he genuinely liked him and had affinity with him

but

His Douglas is in 28'05 Scorpio in 9th conjunct his Midheaven in 28'53 Scorpio sextile the conjunction of his Lincoln in 28'50 Capricorn Retrograde in 12th and Jupiter in 0'52 Aquarius Retrograde in 12th,square Lunar Nodes in 27'18 Leo/Aquarius in 7th/1st and Uranus in 25'16 Aquarius in 7th

His Douglas conjunct his Midheaven with 48 minutes of arc is amazing too...especially when you consider the Cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrologers view that Midheaven is the soul, the "I".


None of this means that I believe he is a reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln nor Frederick Douglass. There is no way to prove that he is either of those people. I don't want to make statements about things that I am not sure of. like Obama answered about abortion, I am saying "It's above my paygrade" I am sure that a great spiritual
master like Yogananda knows far more about this than I do,and so I would rather say that I have no clue about his pastlives. It's possible that he could have known both men in pastlives.

my retrograde Saturn in Gemini in 9th talking...heh


I am surprised that with all the talk about Abraham Lincoln,there was no talk about Frederick Douglas who was considered the most prominent African American in Lincoln's time and who was known for his excellent oratory. He probably was even just as good as an orator as
Abraham Lincoln an maybe even better.

I first read about him as a teenager. I read a book about him,and I couldn't put it down. His life was very inspiring. I admired the guy for his idealism in that he wanted unity and he embraced both his heritages that he married women of both races and defended it by acknowleding his biracial parentage. He stood up for himself and others and spoke out against injustices. IMHO He paved the way for Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.


Raymond

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Tigerlily
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posted November 16, 2008 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tigerlily     Edit/Delete Message
I have thought from the start that he's the reincarnation of Lincoln and FDR. Now he's back again to clean up another big mess.

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Lara
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posted November 16, 2008 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lara     Edit/Delete Message
Glaucus,

WOW how interesting!

If you are looking for a comparison of a reincarnation, l am the reincarnation of Genghis Khan... he is part of my soul group.... ok, don't laugh, i'm serious
LOL
Interestingly, in this lifetime l have a severe problem with China and the chinese. They make my blood boil which is quite an extreme reaction seeing as l have never lived in their country.

So feel free to use my birth date with his for comparison - if his is even known !

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wild sheep
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posted November 17, 2008 05:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wild sheep     Edit/Delete Message
A while ago, I came across a website on which an author theorized that Barack is the reincarnation of Lyman Trumbull:

http://www.johnadams.net/cases/samples/Obama-Trumbull/index.html

Very interesting site.

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Atlenta
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posted November 17, 2008 06:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Atlenta     Edit/Delete Message
I think the other reincarnation theory was John F. Kennedy and Abraham Lincoln.

Interesting about Obama. But why so soon, and why the same person over and over?

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Glaucus
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posted November 17, 2008 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I check out the geocentric and heliocentric nodes of the asteroids
Fredrick
Douglas
(in regards to Frederick Douglas)

and

Lincoln for Abraham Lincoln

calculated with Jonathan Dunn's Ephemeral http://megadelfi.com/~jonathan/

FREDRICK NODES

Helio Frederik Nodes in 2'33 Gemini/Sagittarius in 3rd/9th
conjunct/oppose Moon in 3'21 Gemini in 4th
sextile/trine Mercury in 2'13 Leo in 6th
semisextile/quincunx Venus in 1'47 Cancer in 5th
semisextile/quincunx Geo South Chiron Node in 2'00 Taurus in 3rd

Geo North Fredrick Node in 23'13 Gemini in 4th
square Mars in 22'34 Virgo in 8th
trine Geocentric North Chiron Node in 22'34 Libra in 8th

Geo South Fredrick Node in 11'59 Scorpio in 9th
Heliocentric Lincoln Nodes in 10'38 Taurus/Scorpio in 3rd/9th
trine Geo South Douglas Node in 10'26 Pisces in 1st
square Sun in 12'32 Leo in 6th
square Heliocentric Neptune Nodes in 11'23 Leo/Aquarius in 6th/12th

DOUGLAS NODES

Helio Douglas Nodes in 1'20 Virgo/Pisces in 7th/1st
trine/sextile Geo South Chiron Node in 2'00 Taurus in 3rd
sextile/trine Venus in 1'47 Cancer in 5th
square Moon in 3'21 Gemini in 4th
semisextile/quincunx Mercury in 2'13 Leo in 5th

Geo North Douglas Node in 26'43 Leo in 7th
conjunct/oppose Lunar Nodes in 27'18 Leo/Retrograde in 7th/1st
square Douglas in 28'05 Scorpio in 9th
square Midheaven in 28'54 Scorpio

Geo South Douglas Node in 10'26 Pisces in 1st
Heliocentric Lincoln Nodes - 10'38 Taurus/Scorpio in 3rd/9th
semisextile/quincunx Eris - 10'29 Aries Retrograde in 2nd

LINCOLN NODES

Heliocentric Lincoln Nodes in 10'38 Taurus/Scorpio in 3rd/9th
sextile/trine Jupiter Nodes in 10'04 Cancer/Capricorn in 5th/11th
semisextile/quincunx Eris in 10'29 Aries Retrograde in 2nd


Geo North Lincoln Node in 6'35 Gemini in 4th
square Pluto in 6'58 Virgo in 7th
square Chiron - 5'19 Pisces Retrograde in 1st

Geo South Lincoln Node in 20'28 Libra in 9th
trine Mean Lunar Perigree/Apogee in 20'34 Aquarius in 1st/7th
quincunx Ceres in 20'23 Taurus in 3rd


Heliocentric Nodes move very slowy. They move far slower than outer planets. They don't even move a degree within a century

Note: Heliocentric Lincoln Nodes,Heliocentric Neptune Nodes,and Heliocentric Jupiter Nodes have been in aspect to each other for many centuries

Note: Heliocentric Fredrick and Heliocentric Douglas Nodes have been in square to each other for many centuries

His Fredrik is in 19'45 Virgo in 8th
I couldn't help noticing that transiting Saturn in 18'57 Virgo was conjuncting that and transiting Uranus in 18'57 was opposing it on Election Day

Raymond

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