posted November 17, 2008 01:59 PM         

http://www.aplaceinspace.net/Pages/JMOuters1.html

I am most definitely a PUNC-person as all of the outer planets play a critical role in my chart. Pluto is, of course, the biggy due to all of the Scorpio in my chart and having Pluto conjunct my Sun and Ascendant. Uranus also plays a very big role in chart, it's in the first house, in my Scorpio stellium, and makes major aspects to almost every planet in my chart.

Neptune rules my past as I have a Pisces SN, but it is also the planet involved in the only trine in my chart (with Mars). Finally, there's Chiron, which is the only "planet" on the right side of my chart, opposes my Scorpio stellium, and helps to form a T-square with the stellium and Mars.

posted November 17, 2008 02:10 PM         

But I am a SS&M

posted November 17, 2008 02:16 PM         

yes, now reading it it jibes with what i have felt for years...having suffered lack of recognition due to being too far ahead of my time in all my public endeavours i finally got to the point where people look back and see (get) what i was trying to do way back when. very interesting syndrome!

as a musician this took the form of being a pioneer female daring to play rock music. for little to no money or credit at the time!as an astrologer it takes the form of NEVER telling anyone where their chart is taking them, only what they have going for them and that they can do with it what makes sense to them..as a bodyworker, i can share with my clients my own pain-experience and healing-experiences in order to encourage them on their own healing journey...all of these are not only chironic but plutonic, neptunian and uranian assets that have taken me most of my life to appreciate!

posted November 17, 2008 03:53 PM         

Neptune is conjunct my Mars, NN and ASC, is in mutual reception and square with my chartruler Jupiter and sextiles my MC.

Pluto sits on the MC and squares Venus and sextiles Mars, NN and ASC.

I also have an Aquarius-Moon.

posted November 17, 2008 04:12 PM         

1. I have Chiron in 1st house and it is the only point/planet aspecting my otherwise unaspected Venus. Chiron is conj my Jupiter and 8 degrees from my ASC;
2. Pluto is on the DC in the 7th and disposits my Uranus and NN/Vx (both in Sco and 8th);
3. Uranus is in the 7th/Sco and squares my Sun/Merc in 10th/Aqu and
4. Weakest link is Neptune but it is in my 8th and opposes my chart ruler and trines my ASC.

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Of course, evolutionary conscious-ness can happen for anyone who is one outer planet prominent, but my observation is that the PUNCs--people with close aspects to them all--are even hanging off the edge out on a limb and have the strong accent on, and assignment to, catalyze change.

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posted November 17, 2008 04:15 PM         

oh I`m willing to share a bit of my Neptunian illusions with you.
But you may keep your Chiron.

posted November 17, 2008 04:23 PM         

"To do with trouble familial history esp war"§
I`m not sure I understand that.

However, mine is 3°, so I guess it`s widish, but still valid.
And Saturn is retograde and in Cancer in 8th house. Ouch. Not really an easy placement; Saturn also desposits my Venus. More joy for romance.

I couldn`t say that things have been so horrible at home. Actually I think I´ve had a very happy childhood. An unusual one maybe (my aunt has been brought up with me as my sister, as her mum had died early, long before my birth; one of my brothers has the Down syndrome, and my mum had been taking care of a foster child for some weeks or months).
But all in all there was much support and love in my family; yet I definitely feel that Chiron-Saturn-square.

posted November 17, 2008 04:53 PM         

Article from Zala: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006804.html

My parents both went through hardships through their youth and thus, the aspect is reflected in my chart. Coincidentally, my mother has it in her chart and her dad suffered a lot too.

posted November 17, 2008 05:16 PM         

It`s interesting what people can endure, if they have to. And there have been families who had it much worse than my parents and grandparents, I guess.

However, I think those experiences may have led my parents to teach us compassion and tolerance and the use of our own brain more than they maybe would have otherwise.

posted November 17, 2008 08:14 PM         

my Sun also makes 3 trines and 2 sextiles with outer planets only - no contact with any personal planet

good article, thank you

posted November 18, 2008 02:55 AM         

I'm not sure about Neptune (trine Midheaven and Jupiter *edit ~ and inconjunct Saturn, along with minor aspects to my Sun and Moon/Venus, that I know of...), but Chiron, Uranus and Pluto all factor in there for me.

Uranus conjunct ascendant
opposed Ceres/Chiron/Sun
inconjunct Moon, Venus and South Node
trine Mars in Pisces

Pluto (ruler of ascendant)
square Saturn, opposed Jupiter
trine Moon, Venus and South Node

posted November 24, 2008 02:07 AM         

1. Pluto: chart ruler, cnj Sun/Moon mp, sextiles Moon and Sun
2. Neptune: cnj Sun, trine Moon. Just realized that it also semisquares my Asc.
3. Uranus: 1st house, cnj Mercury, square Moon
4. Chiron: only "planet" on the right side of my chart, 7th house, cnj Dsc, in a grand trine with Venus, Jupiter, and Mars. Parallel Moon.
5. The Moon is arguably our deepest self, and mine aspects all of the PUNC planets. Sextiles Pluto (1º), trines Neptune (2º), squares Uranus (0º), and parallels Chiron.

posted November 24, 2008 04:05 AM         

IQ - I noticed you said that it's the people whose Sun or Moon opposes our Saturn who help us grow. Usually, astro lit says it's the Saturn person who helps the personal planet person (PPP) grow.

posted November 24, 2008 10:10 AM         

I would urge everyone to read the article if they haven't already, because Joyce goes into the details of why having a heavy emphasis on trans-Saturnian makes a very important difference in the way one sees the world.