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Topic: Aspects out of orb
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augentier
Knowflake Posts: 893
From: KS
Registered: Nov 2007
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posted November 18, 2008 01:41 AM
 
Do you find significance in connections between planets even if they're out of orb? Do they still have an effect, just not as intense? For example if someone's Venus is in Scorpio and someone else's is in Leo they would be square my sign but what if the orb is too wide to be considered a square? How do out-of-orb aspects affect those involved? ------------------
Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon Mercury:: Sagittarius
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writesomething
Knowflake Posts: 2376
From: meet me in montauk
Registered: May 2006
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posted November 18, 2008 01:42 AM
thats funny you asked this because i was thinking about this. i struggle with this question. IP: Logged |
librasunleomoon
Knowflake Posts: 187
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Registered: Feb 2008
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posted November 18, 2008 01:57 AM
it definitely has an effect. i felt the sun conjunct jupiter and sun sextile saturn with my man and it is slightly out of orb on both but they are real.IP: Logged |
augentier
Knowflake Posts: 893
From: KS
Registered: Nov 2007
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posted November 18, 2008 02:00 AM
so what do you think that means...if it's within orb do you think the connection is instantly there and out of orb means it needs to be consciously acted upon by the people..or what? ------------------
Capricorn sun / Scorpio rising / Sagittarius moon Mercury:: Sagittarius
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Glaucus
Knowflake Posts: 2761
From: Sacramento,California,USA
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted November 18, 2008 02:13 AM
I don't believe that they work. I believe that aspects have to be within orb, but the thing is that orbs are hotly debated any way...when is an aspect out of orb also...if its a wide orb, does it work any way because it could be involved with a midpoint configuration? that could be the case
I prefer to use tight orbs myself because I don't put much focus on signs, and I don't rely on element compatibility which I don't trust because I don't really trust the tropical zodiac all the much nor do I trust the sidereal zodiac which even though is based on the constellations is not completely lined up with constellations for there are 13 constellations,a small Scorpio constellation,and Virgo being the largest of all of them. My Sun is in the constellation of Virgo even though it's in Libra in Sidereal and Scorpio in Tropical. I am not sure somebody's Moon would be compatible with mine if Moon is in Tropical Scorpio,but her Moon is actually located in the Constellation of Libra which is different from mine. With wide trines...I am not sure if my Scorpio Sun in Virgo constellation would be compatible with a person's Moon in the constellation of Aquarius even though the Moon is in tropical Pisces.
so I like to focus more on geometrical based synastry. I would think that with tighter aspects,the compatibility can be seen better...especially when they are actually connected through aspects suggesting a strong energy connection like how 2 celestial planes intersect producing nodes.
I prefer to use very tight orbs with generation planets...especially pluto........I feel that the more slower,distant planets require smaller orbs...I couldn't imagine somebody's Eris being conjunct Venus from 6 degrees away to indicate an attraction. It would a few generations for it to be exact. that's just me. IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted November 18, 2008 02:21 AM
They have an effect, just not as intense and may have a bit of friction. The incompatibility of the signs of the planets in the aspect is softened or made positive by the compatibility of dwads. Likewise compatible signs of planets are made incompatible by dwads. IP: Logged |
Got Gemini?
Knowflake Posts: 1037
From: Mercury
Registered: Jul 2007
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posted November 18, 2008 03:00 AM
This is one of my out there theories but I believe synastry aspects must be activated by attraction. I feel that it really doesn't matter how good the synastry is between two random people. If they aren't attracted to each other, than the hottest synastry between the two mean didly squat. They could have all the 1 degree and exact conjunctions and trines one could ever dream of but if they are not attracted to each other (at least one of the two), then the synastry means nothing. This is why I sometimes count wider orbed aspects. I wouldn't count them too wide though. I to up to 6 or 7 degrees sometimes depending on if I really feel the influence of said aspect or not.
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Virgo Asc 6˚& Mars 0˚
Gemini Sun 24˚
Libra Moon 14˚(conjunct Pluto 0˚ in 2nd house)
Gemini Mercury 25˚
Cancer Venus 29˚
And yes, i'm a guy! IP: Logged |
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Knowflake Posts: 4497
From: Outside, to watch the nightfall in the rain
Registered: Aug 2006
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posted November 18, 2008 03:05 AM
I guess GG is right, it depends on context. I could have great synastry with a 90 year old man or a relative, doesn't mean I'd do anything with them though. Also progressions...IP: Logged |
Glaucus
Knowflake Posts: 2761
From: Sacramento,California,USA
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted November 18, 2008 03:15 AM
exactly ...if a woman does drugs,and her Mars was smack on my Venus,I still wouldn't get involved with her.IP: Logged |
Green Fairy
Knowflake Posts: 1024
From:
Registered: Feb 2006
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posted November 18, 2008 06:30 AM
I do think they count, as long as they are in the same sign.IP: Logged |
Seeing Stars 7.21
Knowflake Posts: 1301
From: New York
Registered: Dec 2006
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posted November 18, 2008 03:35 PM
Ive got one that has bothered me for a long time. how do you explain an aspect that doesnt exactly follow the terms of its condition. so say a trine between signs of the same quadruplicity. or a square between signs of the same element. example. moon in early degree of libra trine mercury in late degree of capricorn. or sun in late degree of cancer square pluto in early degree of Scorpio. I personally dont have either one of these.. but I feel these type aspects have special significance. if you think about it.. the trine is harmonisouly blending two energies that would normally be square.IP: Logged |
Kick It
Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
Registered: May 2008
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posted November 18, 2008 03:43 PM
An aspect is based on the number of degrees, not the sign they are in. It can be used as a guide to make it easier.Regards out of sign aspects....just treat it as normal, but use the sign the planet is in to get more information. Like Moon in Libra trine Mercury in Capricorn....Need for relationships (Moon in Libra) and Talking about it as a business (Mercury in Capricorn)
to use a silly example. IP: Logged |
Glaucus
Knowflake Posts: 2761
From: Sacramento,California,USA
Registered: Jul 2006
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posted November 18, 2008 04:44 PM
"An aspect is based on the number of degrees, not the sign they are in. It can be used as a guide to make it easier."That is true in Regular Modern Astrological systems, but that is false in Vedic Astrology,Classical Astrology,Hellenistic Astrology that use whole sign aspects. Ptolemy used aspects by sign. He didn't use aspects by degrees. Robert Hand talked about that in his book,HOROSCOPE SYMBOLS. IP: Logged |
Kick It
Knowflake Posts: 1032
From: Leeds
Registered: May 2008
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posted November 18, 2008 04:47 PM
Well thank God no-one uses Vedic Astrology, Classical Astrology, and Hellenistic Astrology anymore.  IP: Logged |
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