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Topic: midpoints in synastry or transit / progressions / solar arc
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darkdreamer Knowflake Posts: 3991 From: Germany Registered: Aug 2006
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posted November 27, 2008 04:55 AM
Do midpoints work for you?And for the purpose of research, keep the orbs tight (1,5° may) and use conjunctioin, square, opposition, semisquare and sesisquare only. I`m really interested if they do work for others, too. I am pretty floored how exactly the transiting planets triggering my midpoints describe what really happened during a certain time.
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MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 689 From: processing destination...... Registered: Sep 2008
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posted November 27, 2008 05:02 AM
I want SO much to figure out what the hell a midpoint is and how to find mine so I can contribute, but I have NO idea lolSorry, I just had to say that IP: Logged |
aqua/scorp Knowflake Posts: 203 From: Middle Earth Registered: Jun 2008
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posted November 27, 2008 06:23 AM
MvM Heres a MP calculator for you http://www.noendpress.com/pvachier/midpoints/index.php Also astro.com does have a midpoint grid in Pullen/Astrolog section but the calculator is better as you can find out all your midpoints with any planet/asteroid/point. ------------------ Sun:Aquarius 11H Moon:Scorpio 7H Mercury:Aquarius 11H Venus:Sagittarius 8H Mars:Aries 12H Jupiter:Pisces 12H Saturn:Sagittarius 8H Uranus:Sagittarius 9H Neptune:Capricorn 9H Pluto:Scorpio 7H AC:Aries MC:Capricorn IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 2763 From: Sacramento,California,USA Registered: Jul 2006
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posted November 27, 2008 06:54 AM
Midpoints are points exactly midway between two planets. According to astrology, in the midpoint the energy of the two planets comes together.[1]Midpoints was first used by Guido Bonati (1123-1300) to refine timings in an event chart. However, midpoints were used to calculate Arabian Points, like part of fortune even as far back as 300 b.c. Alfred Witte was the first person to do a lot of investigation on midpoints using movable dials and together with Ludwig Rudolph and Herman Lefeldt formed the Hamburg School and the technique was called the Uranian Astrology. [2] Then, Reinhold Ebertin in his book "Combination of Stellar influences" included psychological principles and simplified the midpoint technique used by the hamburg school. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midpoint_(astrology) A midpoint is the point where two planets are exactly equidisant from one another. The most commonly understood midpoint configuration is a T-Square, where at least two planets in opposition to one another are squared by a third planet, known as the apex planet. Another example of a simple midpoint pattern is when two planets in trine to one another are both sextiled by a planet. These midpoint patterns are the simplest to understand, since in both cases the planet is on the direct midpoint.
In Cosmobiology, midpoints and 8th Harmonic aspects to midpoints are used extensively in interpretive work in conjunction with aspects. When a planet aspects the direct midpoint of any two planets by semisquare, square, opposition, and sesquisquare, it is interpreted as if it were on the direct midpoint, though it is generally acknowledged that a planet on the direct midpoint is more powerful than a planet that is semisquare to it. These midpoint aspect patterns are interpreted using midpoint trees and planetary pictures and form the basis for horoscope interpretation in the Uranian and Cosmobiological schools of astrology. Retrieved from "http://astrologynotes.org/wiki/Midpoint" a midpoint is a geometrical concept. a midpoint is the middle of the distance between 2 points. take for instance: Sun in 8'00 Taurus Jupiter in 10'00 Taurus you add Sun and Jupiter together and then you divide by 2 to get the midpoint. so you would have 9 degrees Taurus for Sun/Jupiter midpoint midpoints are sensitive points, when another point or planet aspects the midpoint by conjunction,opposition,square,semisquare,sesquiquadrate, it is like a 3 point/planetary combo
so Pluto conjunct Sun/Jupiter midpoint would be like a combination of Sun,Pluto,and Jupiter.
midpoint pictures like the one that I have mentioned have corresponding harmonic triangles, but the thing is that not all harmonic triangles are easily seen in the chart. The ones that are easily seen in the chart are the ones that consist of 30 degree divisions of waxing and waning aspects that correspond with the 12 zodiac signs You can also find out your midpoints on astro.com what you do is go to Extended Chart Seletion then go to Chart Drawing Style select Ebertin style(with midpoints) click to show the chart once it shows the chart, click on View the Additional Files PDF then it will give you a PDF File that shows your coordinates as well as your midpoint pictures,your midpoints listed in zodiac order,and your midpoints listed in 90 degrees series. You can also get your midpoints here: http://www.megadelfi.com/~jonathan/pos/
just check create midpoints list then click on the midpoints for radix then it should show the midpoint list ------------------ Michael E. Brown, a professor of planetary astronomy at the California Institute of Technology who discovered the distant ball of ice and rock that he nicknamed Xena, chose the name Eris, after the goddess of discord and strife in Greek mythology. "It is absolutely the perfect name," Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status. In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War. "She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else's is wrong," Brown said. "It really is just perfect." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/09/15/MNGS8 L67LJ1.DTL Ideology,Diversity,Divergence,Equality,Sharing,Advocacy,Discord,Debating,Compromise,Agreeing to Disagree,Alternative Viewpoints, Seeing/or not seeing Eye to Eye. Eris in Aries Retrograde in 8th oppose Uranus,trine Ceres,sextile Midheaven,sextile/trine Lunar Nodes,trine Jupiter,quincunx Ascendant,biquintile Mercury,parallel Pluto Sun conjunct South Eris Node in Scorpio in 2nd IP: Logged |
MyVirgoMask Knowflake Posts: 689 From: processing destination...... Registered: Sep 2008
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posted November 27, 2008 03:23 PM
Thank you, guys...very informative I've figured a couple of them, and now just wondering what to do with the info! Learning all of this is great...my brain's on overload (doesn't take much these days!)Happy Thanksgiving IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Moderator Posts: 7410 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Nov 2004
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posted December 01, 2008 09:19 PM
(I keep replying to other threads and landing in this one -- sorry, DD)IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 6680 From: Australia Registered: May 2008
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posted December 01, 2008 10:54 PM
GlaucusThanks so much for the megadelfi link. I was looking for that last week when looking at fixed stars. And I was just researching midpoints and here it is! Thank you. btw - I've wanted to mention to you that asteorids Glauke & Raymundto in my trop chart are conjunct my Drac North Node. So, what do you have to teach me? IP: Logged |
PeaceAngel Knowflake Posts: 6680 From: Australia Registered: May 2008
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posted December 01, 2008 10:57 PM
Actually, I have a question.Can anyone tell me how to use the midpoints, or which planets and asteroids to use, to show suitable career. I was thinking Saturn because it's in my 2nd house and MC. After I get the midpoint, how do I apply that. Do I simply look at the sign and house, or Sabian for that particular degree. I'm just not sure how to apply the information once I've got it. IP: Logged |
braveheart Knowflake Posts: 266 From: sydney, nsw, oz Registered: Jan 2006
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posted December 01, 2008 10:58 PM
HiThe Mars/Neptune midpoint in my natal chart is at 4'Virgo. When I make a natal,transit and progressed chart (for me) for the day my son was born(28-8-90)the transitting sun is conjuncting exactly this midpoint. i.e. in his natal chart he has a 4'Virgo sun and his moon is 2'Sag Also the transitting moon (1'Sag) is opposite my Mercury/Mars midpoint(0'Gem) Is this normal? Does everyone who have children have this? I'm going to check more when I get back.
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Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 2763 From: Sacramento,California,USA Registered: Jul 2006
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posted December 02, 2008 12:21 AM
Actually, I have a question. Can anyone tell me how to use the midpoints, or which planets and asteroids to use, to show suitable career. I was thinking Saturn because it's in my 2nd house and MC. After I get the midpoint, how do I apply that. Do I simply look at the sign and house, or Sabian for that particular degree. I'm just not sure how to apply the information once I've got it.You could look at midpoints that involve the Midheaven whether Midheaven is part of the half sum like Moon/Midheaven midpoint or the apex of a midpoint picture like Midheaven oppose Moon/Mars midpoint. Here is how Cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrologers use to look for occupational matters
MC : Midheaven : PSY: The individual's personal awareness or consciousness. MANIFESTATIONS : The spirit. The psyche. Consciousness. The Ego. That which is "me" or "mine". The individual. Inner character. Inner nature. Life goals or aspirations. The conscious mind. The moment. The minute. The character of a city [in locational astrology]. MA : Mars : PSY: + strong-willed. ready for action. capable of accomplishment. MANIFESTATIONS : Work. Job. Occupation. Actions. Workmanship. Decision. Impulse. Activity. Willpower. Energy. Struggle. Archetypal masculinity. Animus. Kinetic energy. MED/CHEM: Inflammatory, sharp, piercing, or cutting pains. The element Iron [Fe]. - lacking in self-control. aggressive.
As for Saturn, it's not used in regards to being the career planet. Saturn involved with MC could be life goals or aspirations that involve Saturnian things. Saturn involved with Mars can be work,job,occupation that involves Saturnian things. SA : Saturn : PSY: + serious, self-restrained. distant. persistent. socially withdrawn. retrospective; interested in history. duty-conscious. MANIFESTATIONS : Persistence. Consolidation. Concentration. The past. Guardian of the threshold. Maturity. Restraint. Handling problems. Alienation. Separation. Solitude. Boundaries. Barriers. Solid or dense matter. Tangible substance. Containers. Heaviness. Gravity. Pragmatism. The Concrete. MED/CHEM: Bones. Teeth. Heavy or high-pressure pains. Hardening. The element Lead [Pb]. - inhibited. confined. difficult to contact. Delay. Resistance. Difficulties. Limitations. Encumbrances.
In Regular Astrology, you can check out your occupational indicators by
10th - career 6th - work 2nd - financial sources checking out 1. Midheaven's sign and aspects 2. Planets in 10th house 3. 10th house ruler sign,house,aspects 4. sign on 6th house cusp 5. planets in 6th house 6. 6th house ruler sign,house,aspects 7. sign on 2nd house cusp 8. planets in 2nd house 9. 2nd house ruler sign,house,aspects you might also want to look at Mars sign,house,and aspects as for asteroids, you might also want to look at Vesta sign,house,and aspects Vesta is an asteroid associated with service,work ethic
------------------ Michael E. Brown, a professor of planetary astronomy at the California Institute of Technology who discovered the distant ball of ice and rock that he nicknamed Xena, chose the name Eris, after the goddess of discord and strife in Greek mythology. "It is absolutely the perfect name," Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status. In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War. "She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else's is wrong," Brown said. "It really is just perfect." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/09/15/MNGS8L67LJ1.DTL Ideology,Diversity,Divergence,Equality,Sharing,Advocacy,Discord,Debating,Compromise,Agreeing to Disagree,Alternative Viewpoints, Seeing/or not seeing Eye to Eye. Eris in Aries Retrograde in 8th oppose Uranus,trine Ceres,sextile Midheaven,sextile/trine Lunar Nodes,trine Jupiter,quincunx Ascendant,biquintile Mercury,parallel Pluto Sun conjunct South Eris Node in Scorpio in 2nd IP: Logged |
Glaucus Knowflake Posts: 2763 From: Sacramento,California,USA Registered: Jul 2006
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posted December 02, 2008 02:14 AM
I checked out my mom's midpoint transits at the time of my birth on October 29,1971.....which of course is our synastry aspects tooMy mother was in labor for 23 hours with me. I was born a month or 2 weeks early. I was also induced or the labor would have been longer than 23 hours. My mom was 17 years old at the time. I didn't cry until I was poked. My mother was also confused because I was light as her with a yellow complexion even though my father had medium-dark brown skin. She told me that and that she thought "I didn't do anything wrong" The doctors thought that I had jaundice, but my mom told them my skin color is because of all the nationalities that I have in me. I was brought home on Halloween. all aspects are applying Transiting Uranus square her Mercury - '26 ME.UR.* + has quick reactions. sharp-witted. quick at repartee. original. open to new ideas. inquisitive. mentally resourceful. ingenious. eager to learn. progressive. intelligent. thinks intuitively. takes initiative. stimulating. gifted with rhythm. mobile. handy. Technician. Accountant. Reformer. Sudden idea. Surprising conversation. Exciting discussion. Talk of an event. Thoughts about an adventure. Discussion of impulses or stimuli. Technical news. Telegram. Revolutionary concept. Rhythmic motion. - hasty. rash. unsettled. impatient. hurried. short tempered. nervous. Upsets or arguments in or about a discussion. Nervousness. Transiting Uranus conjunct her Venus/Mars - '09 (exact Oct 31, 1971) VE.MA.UR. + passionate. original. vehement. effervescent. sensual. fiery. high-spirited. highly expressive. enjoys technical or reform work. future-oriented. works with rhythmic artistry. enjoys dancing. musically inclined. Unexpected enjoyment in connection with work. To demonstrate affection unexpectedly. To suddenly effect a compromise. Pleasant event on the job. Surprising action for peace. Congeniality in connection with technical work. Adventurous love relationship. Surprising passion. Surprise about or due to relatives. To act on artistic stimuli. Happiness about implementation of reform. Healthy glandular functions. Successful operation. - eccentric. impetuous. hot-blooded. lacking in self-restraint. unstable. morally lax. has a stressful love life. short-tempered. carnal. To contribute to tensions in love. Sexual incidents. Abdominal operation. Transiting Uranus sesquiquadrate her Pluto/MC MC.UR.PL. + open to new ideas. flexible. resourceful. industrious. likes change and variety. skilled at development. indefatigable. unremitting. spontaneous and future-oriented. fluctuates. reformist. technically skilled. gifted with rhythm. Unexpected transformation for me. Surprising changes. Technical developments due to me. - impulsive. easily upset. tense. unsettled. turbulent. restless. hypertense. unstable. vacillates. [sometimes abusive.] Sudden reversal. Upsetting change. Tension-filled developments. Increasing tension or stress. To be carried away by impulses. (exact Nov 8, 1971) Transiting Uranus sesquiquadrate her Mars/Sedna (exact Nov 4, 1971)
Transiting Jupiter semisquare her Neptune - '07 JU.NE.* + has reliable hunches. prophetic. intuitive. future-oriented. highly imaginative. mediumistic. lucky with nonmaterial or metaphysical factors. tolerant. carefree. daydreams. hopeful. enjoys speculating. private. obscure. Good fortune in connection with liquids, gases, or metaphysical phenomena. Future gains. Obscure earnings. Easily-gained money. Financial sacrifices. Speculation. Unrecognized value. Pleasant or favorable weather conditions. Clear water. - deluded. secretive. irresponsible. easily swayed. unrealistic. dissatisfied. malcontent. unfair. Illusory good fortune. Financial losses. Unsecured possessions. Worthlessness. Injustice. Ambiguous laws. [Financial deceit or disappointment.] Transiting Jupiter square her Midheaven - '39 MC.JU.* + even-tempered. agreeable. friendly. seeks peace. honest. candid. open. tactful. congenial. well-intentioned. experienced at handling money. My good fortune. Success. Inner satisfaction. Gains. Profits. Money. My possessions. To benefit. To be favored. - calculating. overly materialistic. Transiting Jupiter square her Venus/Neptune VE.JU.NE. + prophetic. intuitive. open to love. future-oriented. enjoys privacy. benefits from remaining anonymous. highly imaginative. enraptured. playful. capable as an artist. Gains due the sympathy of an obscure or unknown person. Future luck in love. Happiness over easily gained money. Obscure gains of affection. Extravagant gift. Artistic success in the future. - fanatical. unrealistic. loses sympathy due to irresponsibility. negligent. improper. phony. sham. lacking in true concern for others. has an unstable emotional life. unfair. Happiness in love without prospects. Inequity in relation to money. Discord with the law. Intuited injustice. (exact Nov 2, 1971)
Transiting Saturn oppose her Mars/Saturn MA.SA.* + focused. capable of concentration. conscientious. works systematically. proceeds methodically. persistent. disciplined. careful. cautious. pragmatic. stops at nothing. Concentrated or focused work. Long-lasting activity. To work with problems. To effect a separation. Sporadic work. To complete an assignment. Physical labor. Hard work. - overly conservative. stubborn. contrary. indecisive. works slowly. sluggish. unenergetic. fearful. gets anxious at times. stiff. obstinate. suicidal in some cases. disputatious. quarrelsome. gets angry. Difficulties in the work. End of activities. Standstill of energies. Death. Rheumatic pain. (exact Nov 7, 1971) Transiting Saturn oppose her Neptune/Node NO.SA.NE. + cautious. socially withdrawn. reclusive. daydreams. deals with health issues. Stabilization of an unstable bond. Sacrifices requiring separations. Dissolution of restrictions with or due to others. Pituitary gland. - hypersensitive. shy. insecure. unstable. difficult to contact. lacking in trust. dissatisfied. contrary. easily discouraged. sickly. inhibited. restricted. deluded. deceitful. prone to feelings of inferiority. Difficulties due to ambiguities with another. Uncertainty due to an older person. Disappoinment in connection with separations or departures. Losses or due to separation from each other. Problems after the dissolution of a relationship. Suspense or doubts in connection with separations. Continual instability of contacts. Association with a sick person. (exact Nov 11, 1971) Transiting Saturn sesquiquadrate her Venus/Node NO.VE.SA. + loyal. discreet. self-restrained. shy. retrospective; interested in historical factors. nonchalant. calm. likes to maintain distance. enjoys solitude or isolation. likes old art objects. pragmatic. Dependable and loving relationship. Continual sympathy due to contacts. Deepening of feelings for each other. Loving relationship in maturity. Lover of antiques or history. - socially withdrawn. unsociable. difficult to contact. stuck in the past. indifferent. self-conscious. inhibited. lonely. emotionally cold. has difficulty in fully enjoying oneself. Belated enjoyment of a relationship. Difficulties in spite of pleasant contacts. Problematic love bond. Separation of or from a harmonious relationship. (exact Oct 31, 1971) Transiting Mars oppose her Uranus/Ceres (exact Oct 31, 1971) Transiting Mars oppose her Neptune/Asc AS.MA.NE. + instinctive. surrounds oneself in mystery. future-oriented. esoterically guided. capable as a swimmer. Activities of or with others in private. Others' unconscious behavior. To work for a future or futuristic partnership. Sacrifices made at the locale. Location of aquatic sports. Activities in the air. - lacking will-power. lacking energy. lacking in accomplishment. resistant to work. lacking self-reliance; dependent. lacking self-control; lax. apprehensive. prone to denial. sly. undermining. potentially destructive. addiction-prone. Others' irrational behavior. Mutual mistake. Uncertainty in the workplace. Disillusionment about a work partnership. Dissolution of an active association. To be manipulated. To be deceived. To disappoint someone. Loss of work at a place. Infection. (exact Oct 30, 1971)
Transiting Eris sesquiquadrate her Uranus/Ceres (exact Nov 4 1971)
Transiting Pluto square her Neptune/MC - '20 MC.NE.PL. + sensitive. highly imaginative. daydreams. private; drawn to obscurities. capable at metaphysical development. Developments in personal privacy. Subtle or imperceptible changes. Subtle transformations. Secret or private changes. Subconscious changes. Developments in the metaphysical realm. - semiconscious or unconscious. secretive. tricky. unclear; ambiguous. impermanent. unreliable. fickle. moody. unstable. inconsistent. Gradual loss. Ambiguity about developments. My disillusionment about a change. To remain in the background. To be missing. To contribute to deceit.
Transiting midpoints: Transiting Mars/Ceres sesquiquadrate her Mars (exact Oct 31, 1971) Transiting Mars/Ceres sesquiquadrate her Moon/Pluto (exact Oct 31, 1971) She has Mars/Ceres square her Moon/Pluto midpoint with 4 minutes of arc, and Transiting Mars/Ceres midpoint was aspecting it at the moment of birth. Mars square Moon/Pluto midpoint is a reproductive system configuration. Mars/Ceres could be one too. Especially when Ceres is associated with motherhood. as you see, Neptune is involved in regards to misunderstandings, inducing,and confusion,potential misdiagnosis as well as water...my mom told me that there was a lot of water came out when I was born. She has Ascendant,Mercury,Venus,Jupiter,Uranus in Cancer along with Moon and Saturn in Scorpio. I have Sun,Mercury,Venus in Scorpio along with Moon in Pisces.
Uranus is involved in regards to the unexpected,change Jupiter is involved in regards to being happy Saturn is involved in regards to responsibilities Transiting Saturn was in her 12th house at the time too. Transiting Saturn aspecting her Neptune/Node. Saturn-Neptune configurations are known to be involved in health problems. Venus/Mars midpoint is not just a sexual attraction midpoint, but it is also a midpoint involved in reproduction Cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrology say that Mars/Saturn midpoint is involved in childbirth as it's a midpoint that has to do with separation. Mars/Saturn midpoint is also known as the death axis. BTW...I was physically abused by my mother...that also fits with my Saturn oppose her Mars/Saturn midpoint. Sedna is a transneptunian, and it has to do with being "out of this world" and remote. It is the most distant object in our solar system when it is at its aphelion (when it's most distant from the Sun) and it even well beyond Neptune at its perihelion(when it's closest to the Sun) Ceres relates to maternal matters,and it can relate to reproduction I chose Eris in regards to diversity ..the interracial mother-child connection that my mom and I have. In her Solar Return: Sun conjunct Ceres - 1'44 Sun parallel Ceres -'15 (Sun-Ceres occultation) Moon trine Ceres - '24 Sun trine Moon - 1'20
She had Jupiter-Neptune in her 5th house trine Leo Ascendant in both her Solar Return and Lunar Return...that's unusual. I wonder about Jupiter in 5th trine 5th house ruler Saturn in 1st in my current Solar Return chart and Moon in Libra,Juno-Pluto in Sagittarius,Ceres in Leo minor grand trine in my current Solar Return chart.
in my 2009 Solar Return Sun conj Ceres - 1'40 Sun trine Moon - 1'34 Moon trine Ceres - 3'15 this seems like within the year period of October 28, 2009 to October 28, 2010 when I could become a parent. I didn't check houses nor angles because not certain if I will relocate. Moon aspects won't change much. I don't see myself moving out of the country. I don't like Sun square Mars with 22 minutes of arc....could be a violent event . I like Venus trine Jupiter with 32 minutes of arc....great for love life...especially with Sun trine Moon which is great for relationships with opposite sex. actually Solar Return Moon will be conjuncting my Moon,and that can some major involvement with a woman. This could play a part in having a child too. ------------------ Michael E. Brown, a professor of planetary astronomy at the California Institute of Technology who discovered the distant ball of ice and rock that he nicknamed Xena, chose the name Eris, after the goddess of discord and strife in Greek mythology.
"It is absolutely the perfect name," Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status. In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War. "She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else's is wrong," Brown said. "It really is just perfect." http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/09/15/MNGS8 L67LJ1.DTL Ideology,Diversity,Divergence,Equality,Sharing,Advocacy,Discord,Debating,Compromise,Agreeing to Disagree,Alternative Viewpoints, Seeing/or not seeing Eye to Eye. Eris in Aries Retrograde in 8th oppose Uranus,trine Ceres,sextile Midheaven,sextile/trine Lunar Nodes,trine Jupiter,quincunx Ascendant,biquintile Mercury,parallel Pluto Sun conjunct South Eris Node in Scorpio in 2nd IP: Logged |
Iqhunk Knowflake Posts: 2271 From: Chennai Registered: Oct 2005
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posted December 02, 2008 02:27 AM
Very Good post Raymond! In my studies, I have seen that midpoints work very well in transits, acting as triggers. Especially the Mars-Venus midpoint and Sun-Moon midpoint. I strictly use one degree orbs for them.BTW, I can write an essay on your potential careers without even using astrology... For starters, astrologically gifted folk like you must open astrology discussion clubs [with a membership fee that helps pay the bills and yet does not turn anyone away due to cost.] Imagine your own website with thematic charts and true stories of how the readings helped improve lives. ------------------ http://www.tamsoft.co.in/articles.html
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