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Glaucus
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posted December 04, 2008 10:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
Seeing that Sedna could be a Neptunian-like energy and can relate to
the metaphysical or otherworldly, I have been wondering about it in
the charts of schizophrenics

so I checked out a famous paranoid schizophenic
John Nash,Jr. the Nobel Prize winning mathematician

June 13, 1928
7:00 AM
Bluefield,West Virginia

Sedna in 16'28 Aries
square Pluto in 16'01 Cancer
square Ascendant in 17'07 Cancer

As you see...he has Sedna (out of this world,remote) square (in
friction with) Pluto (intensity,transformation) and Ascendant
(self,personality)

I also checked out his midpoints involving Sedna...just looked at
direct midpoints to keep it simple

Sun conjunct Neptune/Sedna - '34

MC conjunct Ceres/Sedna - '39
Eris conjunct Ceres/Sedna - 44

Sedna conjunct Jupiter/Eris - '19
Sedna conjunct Jupiter/MC - '22

Vertex oppose Sedna/Asc - '49

He is strong in other transneptunian energy too,and that could add to
the picture because transneptunian energy is associated with
metaphysical,otherworldly

Ixion in 22'40 Virgo
square Sun in 22'11 Gemini
quincunx Moon in 21'41 Aries

Varuna in 0'41 Aries
Eris in 1'46 Aries
Midheaven in 0'21 Aries


preliminary keywords for Sedna,Varuna,Eris,and Ixion be found here http://www.philipsedgwick.com/

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evander
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posted December 04, 2008 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for evander     Edit/Delete Message
I don't know if i'm convinced of this. I have solar fire so I checked my midpoints and sedna conjunctions with some of these

Taking what I've learned about schizophrenia I would say it is very much Uranus related. Because it's foundations are people who are in constant need of change. People who either can't experience intense happiness or feel too much of it. And lastly people unable creatively solve the puzzles they are obsessed with.

Also schizophrenia is testosterone induced and mostly male disease. In most cases triggered by high stress and psycho active drugs

so Neptune being the higher degree of Venus.. I would again voice my opinion that Uranus probably has something with it.

then again Neptune , in a way, does stand for drug use

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posted December 04, 2008 02:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I have to disagree with Uranus as well as Neptune.

I believe that schizophrenia could be related more to transneptunians.

I will explain why

All the planets beyond Saturn are referred to as outerplanets, and so they are related to metaphysical energies. Uranus is the planet of liberation from boundaries as it breaks way with its need for independence,and it is associated with innovation and intuitive
flashes. Neptune is the planet of dissolution of boundaries as it
pierces the veil to reveal another world,and it is associated with
imagination,inspiration, and psychism. Pluto is the planet of
elimination of boundaries, and is compared to being the other side -
this could be death,afterlife,or could be the subterranean depths of
the human psyche. It is possible that Pluto's fellow transneptunian
objects could be similar to Pluto. I believe that Pluto and its fellow transneptunians can be energies so metaphysical that they can be hard to handle and can manifest as problems on the physical plane such as serious health problems,psychiatric disorders, and even
neurodivergence which are often subtle in their own way and very misunderstood. These aren't necessarily bad things.

Neurodivergence tends to be very misunderstood,and it was unknown for
a long time. The issues tend to be subtle. They have also been known as hidden handicaps. There is a book called DYSPRAXIA: THE HIDDEN HANDICAP by Dr. Amanda Kirby who has a Dyspraxic son herself. With that in mind, I believe that it makes sense that the kuiper belt
objects associated with the unknown,hidden,subtleties could be
indicators for neurodivergence but also schizophrenia.

also...it could be hard to distinguish the chart of a neurodivergent person from a person with schizophrenia. Look at how autism was once thought to be a type of schizophrenia. even now many autistics are
being treated with antipsychotics. soft neurological signs of schizophrenia - poor coordination,left-right confusion,disorganization,and speech disturbances are also symptoms
of neurodivergent conditions too.
Even psychiatrist,neurologist,author of numerous books on cerebellar-vestibular related Dyslexia Syndrome,Dr. Harold
N. Levinson points out the need to distinguish neurodivergent speech
from psychotic speech. Some of my fellow Dyspraxics in the UK even told me that many neurodivergents in the UK have been
misdiagnosed schizophrenic or bipolar. I have read a story about an autistic woman that has been given diagnoses of bipolar and
schizophrenia in the past.


so it makes sense that the charts of schizophrenics and neurodivergents can be very similar to the point that they can't be
told apart. Many neurodivergents even have history of mental illness..especially anxiety and depression disorders.

but any ways...I would think that both schizophrenics and neurodivergents would have an unusually high degree of transneptunian energy reflected by numerous close aspects involving transneptunians.

please note that I didn't just list his Sedna aspects, but also other transneptunian aspects. His Sedna was square his Pluto-Ascendant conjunction within 1 degree. I also pointed out his Varuna and Eris closely conjunct his Midheaven.


This coming from somebody who is Dyslexic,Dyspraxic who was misplaced with the mentally retarded in special education class in 1st grade and was misdiagnosed as having schizoaffective bipolar disorder because of my cluttering speech(rapid,loose,tangential,disorganized speech) which they thought was psychotic speech in adulthood. Schizophrenia is not just hallucinations, but it can also be disorganization in thinking. Like I pointed out earlier, soft neurological signs of schizophrenia listed in DSM-IV are left-right confusion,poor coordination,speech disturbances,and poor memory, but these are also symptoms of neurodivergence. I have a history of all those problems with my Dyslexia,Dyspraxia which was treated with auditory therapy,speech therapy,phonics,and fine motor skills therapy.


btw...Neptune is also associated with misdiagnoses in Medical Astrology. Misdiagnoses are common occurrence with people that have neurodivergence.


also there can be a fine line between mystics,shamans and schizophrenics too. Many mystics,shamans could be misdiagnosed as schizophrenics by many psychiatrists if they don't believe in metaphysical phenomena which is often the case. Some mystics,shamans can have schizophrenia too.

Walking the Shamans Path: Not Schizophrenia, But Acute Sensitive http://www.successfulschizophrenia.org/stories/nightsky.html http://jonvon.net/jonvon/blog/blog.nsf/dx/shamanism-and-schizophrenia.htm http://spiritualemergency.blogspot.com/2006/01/shamanism-schizophrenia.html

also..there are diagnoses like schizotypal personality disorder that can be given to people who have unusual perceptual experiences and have problems relating to people.


I don't know about you, but I wouldn't tell psychiatrists that with my Moon in Pisces square Neptune, I am an emotional,psychic sponge that feel others' feelings like my own,strongly receptive to the energy around me,and have mystical,psychic perceptions.
They wouldn't care about the outerplanets related to the metaphysical because they don't believe in that stuff. I wouldn't mention anything metaphysically oriented to psychiatrists. I would not even mention that I am an astrologer which by many astrological skeptics would be fraudulent and/or delusional.

Then that would likely get me misdiagnosed with a psychotic disorder. I have already been misdiagnosed as having a psychotic disorder because they misdiagnosed my neurodivergence without even doing any psychological nor neurological testing. Years later, I got my diagnoses of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia by neurologists who did neurological testing and had me do neuropsych testing.

I wonder how many other neurodivergents are metaphysically oriented but keep their mouths shut so they avoid psychotic diagnoses. I also wonder how many people diagnosed psychotic are actually neurodivergent.

also there are metaphysically oriented types that believe in the Indigo types who have the characteristics of neurodivergents but also metaphysically oriented.

but the thing is that many neurodivergents could be metaphysically oriented any way,but they just keep it to themselves. I am definitely one of those people.

I know quite a few neurodivergents that are into metaphysical activities.


here is stuff on adult symptoms of dyspraxia
if you look at them, you could see how a dyspraxic can be misdiagnosed as a disorganized type schizophrenic http://www.dyspraxiausa.org/index.php/Adult-Symptoms.html

especially the symptoms under

1.perception
2.learning,thought,and memory
3.emotion,behavior
4.emotions result of difficulties experienced
5.speech and language

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posted December 04, 2008 04:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for evander     Edit/Delete Message
I see how your theory is deeply researched, and while I am not sure I agree (from the position of someone whose studying psychology), I certainly respect your opinion and give it the benefit of the doubt.

I think there is a big diference between schizophrenia [which has an enormous amount of variations all classified with the same name], and dyspraxia .

Temporal lobe structures in schizophrenics are smaller. Some studies have found the hippocampus and amygdala to be reduced in volume. Components of the limbic system, which is involved in the control of mood and emotion, and regions of the Superior Temporal Gyrus , which is a large contributor in language function, have been notably smaller. The Heschl's Gyrus (which contains the primary auditory cortex), and the Planum Temporale are diminished. The severity of symptoms such as auditory hallucinations has been found to be dependent upon the sizes of these language areas.

Neurodiversity is a concept that asserts that atypical neurological development is a normal human difference that is to be tolerated and respected as any human difference.

There is a huge diference between atypical development and the damage to braine caused by [again variations of] schizophrenia.

All that in mind , I don't think both conditions are indicated by similar transneptunian subtleties.

Dyspraxia maybe, I really haven't done much research about it. But I highly doubt it when it comes to schizophrenia.

Maybe some subtleties but not the biggest signs.

Schizophrenia's biggest problems is not having the standard set of symptoms, not one symptom which occurs in every person dealing with it. As such it's difficult to diagnose so I've read about a huge number of mistakes in diagnosis.

Schizophrenia is a severe progressive illness of the brain.

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btw...Neptune is also associated with misdiagnoses in Medical Astrology. Misdiagnoses are common occurrence with people that have neurodivergence.

I absolutely agree. Neptune is the king of misdiagnosis, but not just when it comes to these disorders.

quote:

They wouldn't care about the outerplanets related to the metaphysical because they don't believe in that stuff. I wouldn't mention anything metaphysically oriented to psychiatrists. I would not even mention that I am an astrologer which by many astrological skeptics would be fraudent and/or delusional.

or they could be C.G. Jung's great fans with an incredibly open mind

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posted December 04, 2008 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
I have to disagree because there is a serious overlapping of symptoms.

many neurodivergents have been misdiagnosed as having schizophrenia and other related disorders including me.

the soft neurological signs(poor coordination,left-right confusion,speech disturbances,disorganization) of schizophrenia are shared by many neurodivergents.

autism was once thought to be a form of schizophrenia. Many autistics are being treated with antipsychotics. Risperdal is one of the known atypical antipsychotics use for treatment of autism. Risperdal has often been used to treat Bipolar disorders too. One of the problems is that many ADHDers are diagnosed Bipolar too. Also ADHD is one of the conditions that is common in Dyslexics and Dyspraxics. Comorbidity is the norm when it comes to neurodivergent conditions..not the exception.

it's not uncommon for neurodivergents to have mental illness running in their family. Many neurodivergents have a history of mental illness too...especially depression and anxiety disorders.

anxiety disorders have been mistaken for schizophrenia in the past. Especially the social anxiety disorders which some people mistake for being paranoid.

what is also something to consider is that many people with neurodivergents can have problems with insecurity that is connected to problems that they might have..like if they have problems with speech, they might have a fear of talking in front of a person. If they have problems with coordination,they might have problems with performing actions in front of people. They tend to have anxiety doing things that they have problems with in front of people.
If a person who has problems expressing himself has anxiety about speaking, that can affect one's speaking even more, and that can be mistaken for psychotic thought processes. Often , nonlinear thought processes are mistaken for psychotic thought processes. There are people that think in pictures instead of words,and so they can have hard time verbally expressing themselves. If a person doesn't understand that, especially if the person is speaking in disorganized,tangential type of way, that can be mistaken for psychotic speech. If a person with memory problems have memory-related issues in their speech including even things like word retrieval issues, that can be mistaken for psychotic thinking.
it is also common for sensory integration issues which are very common in neurodivergents to be mistaken for psychological problems.

btw...I read that dopamine abnormalities could be related to schizophrenia. It not necessarily be a testosterone related disease. I even read that cortisol,the stress hormone can be involved.

also...vitamin/mineral deficiences could also be linked to like especially Vitamin B complex,zinc,and niacin. Pyroluria(a condition that pulls vitamin B6 and zinc out of system) can lead to psychotic symptoms.


many psychiatrists don't do any neurological testing. They will usually do psychological tests,examine the patient. Many don't do brainscans like MRI,fMRI,cat scans,SPECT,etc. They tend to go by observations.

I will agree to disagree with you in regards to the transneptunian thing. It just seems more logical that the transneptunian energy could be involved because it is a hard to handle type of energy because it goes beyond.

I think that astrologers have associated schizophrenia and even things like psychic phenomena with the outerplanets because they didn't know about the transneptunians. They weren't discovered at the time. I am becoming skeptical of how metaphysical the outerplanets really are. I believe that it's possible that the more metaphysical characteristics are more related to the transneptunians. Of course, I believe that transformation is not just a Pluto thing, but it can related to the whole kuiper belt region. After all, when Astrologers associated Pluto with transformation,death,rebirth, they thought that Pluto was the most distant object in our solar system. Now,there are numerous objects that are far more distant than Pluto...especially Sedna which is most distant object in our solar system at its aphelion.

also strong transneptunian energy doesn't necessarily have to manifest as schizophrenia nor neurodivergence. It could manifest as other conditions like cancer. It could manifest as a strong metaphysical ability too. But there could be an overlapping of these things in some transneptunian people as well.

I would look at numerous close aspects (within 1 degree)...including even the esoteric aspects. the 7th harmonics are no joke,and they have a Uranus-Neptune type of energy. The 11th harmonics can have a Uranian type of energy.

also..I don't think brain differences necessarily mean a disorder. Some ADHDers,Dyslexics,Dyspraxics,and Autistics are found to have different brain functioning. There have been studies that show that Dyslexics have right hemisphere of the brain larger than normal. They also found to neurons disorganized in the brain too. There have been found differences in ADHDers in regards to smaller cerebellums.
These are just some studies. This doesn't necessarily include all. I hate to generalize. I am just pointing out that different brain structures have been found in some neurodivergents.

I don't believe that different brain structures nor different brain functioning is necessarily a disorder.

norms tend to be based on what the majority of society thinks is right and acceptable.

I pointed that Neptune was associated with misdiagnoses. I just made a point that many neurodivergents tend to be misdiagnosed. That didn't mean that I said that only neurodivergents are misdiagnosed. A lot of things get misdiagnosed, and it could be reflected by hard Neptune aspects.

a lot of astrologers will focus on hard Neptune aspects in regards to schizophrenia. But there are people misdiagnosed as having schizophrenia that have hard Neptune aspects.

Neptune is also associated with a weakness in area by Medical astrologers. Like Mercury in hard aspect to Neptune or aspecting a midpoint involving Neptune could indicate possibly weak nerves.

there are people with hard Uranus aspects to that could have neurological disorders and not have schizophrenia. Especially people with Mercury square Uranus might just be mainly outside the box thinkers.

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posted December 04, 2008 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
here is some stuff from a Medical Astrology book that I have

MEDICAL ASTROLOGY Healing For The 21st Century by Marcia Starck


URANUS

Uranus governs the higher nervous system and electrical impulses. It is related to spasms,cramps,shocks,and paralysis. Menstrual cramps indicate a lack of calcium and magnesium. Epilepsy is also a Uranian condition can be helped by high doses of magnesium,manganese,and the B Complex vitamins.

Stress is often apparent under transits of Uranus. Since Uranus rules the electrical conductivity system of the heart, heart attacks and strokes occur under its transits. Uranus stays in a sign for seven years,so its house placement and aspects are more important.

Uranus has rulership over the mineral magnesium,manganese along with Jupiter, and the B Complex vitamins along with Mercury. Mangnesium works with electrical conductivity of the heart and helps to prevent cramps and spasms. Manganese nourishes the brain and nervous system and treats schizophrenia and Parkinson's disease.

NEPTUNE

Neptune often causes in accurate diagnoses and strange symptoms. If Neptune is very prominent, the individual may be addicted to alcohol or some type of drugs, including prescription drugs. The individual could also be super-sensitive and have allergic relactions to medications. Usually, subtle remedies such as homeopathy and flower remedies work well with strong Neptunian or Piscean individuals.

Neptune rules the lymphatic system which can become clogged due to excess mucous and toxins in the body. It also rules the pineal gland, which gives us intuitive information, as well as the thymus gland and the spleen.

People with a strong Neptune usually have sensitive immune systems and are prone to flus and colds. This often due to a weak speen, which can be fortified with Chinese herbs and supplements. Neptune also governs poisonings and over-doses, especially from mysterious substances. Neptune stays in a sign for fourteen years, so again,its house placement and aspects are more important.

Neptune rules pantothenic acid, which helps the adrenal cortex in producing adrenalin when one is wiped out and under stress. The mineral zinc is also related to Neptune, which is very important for a strong immune system and helps the spleen.

I don't agree with all of this. I don't believe in using words like cause. I don't believe that planetary alignments cause things. I believe that planetary alignments are in synchronicity with things. I also don't believe that houses are important when looking at medical problems. I don't trust houses nor signs for that matter when it comes to medical astrology. I prefer focusing on the planetary geometry itself including looking at midpoint pictures and hard aspects like Cosmobiologists and Uranian Astrologers do. I prefer Cosmobiology when it comes to medical astrology. Marcia's book involves a lot of info on midpoints,and so that's something that I really love about her book.

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posted December 04, 2008 06:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message
here something that I wrote a few years back:

I believe that there is a fine line between the schizophrenic and the neurodivergent. The symptoms are very similar. The thing is that they are people that are not normal. It seems that if a person is not normal,then they are more likely to be seen as crazy,psychotic,or other things before they are even known as neurodivergents. Normal doesn't mean good nor right. Psychiatric diagnoses are based on the
biases of society. They are based on what is acceptable to the majority.


I want to go over some configurations that can fit in with Schizophrenics but also Neurodivergents.

Hard Mercury-Neptune aspects,midpoint configurations involving Mercury
and Neptune,hard aspects to Neptune in 3rd,Neptune in hard aspect to a
planet in 3rd can be indicators for neurological problems that can
include confusion,distortion,and disorganization in the processing of
neurological functioning.......this can also indicate misunderstandings in communications........also nonlinear,
idealistic,imaginative,visualizing thought processeses


Hard Mercury-Saturn aspects,midpoint configurations involving Mercury
and Saturn,hard aspects to Saturn in 3rd,hard Saturn aspects to a
planet in 3rd can be indicators for neurological problems that can
include hesitant,slow,and delays in the processing of neurological
functioning.......this can also indicate shyness in communications....but also linear,careful,compensatory thought processes

Hard Mars-Neptune aspects,midpoint configurations involving Mars and
Neptune can be indicators for motor coordination problems that can
include weakness of muscles,or disorganized actions.....this can also
indicate confusing,misunderstood,clumsy actions.....also idealistic,compassionate actions

Hard Mars-Saturn aspects,midpoint configurations involving Mars and
Saturn can be indicators for motor coordination problems that can
include slow muscular development,and delays of motor milestones.....this can indicate shy,slow awkward,actions......careful,compensatory actions

Hard Saturn aspects could indicate insecurity,
restrictions,limitations,slowness,hesitance,and shyness involving a
certain area as well as late milestones..also hyposensitivity found in
sensory integration issues..it can also indicate overly
compensating.......but also learning things the hard way,cautious,mature,disciplined

Hard Neptune aspects could indicate insecurity,
misunderstandings,confusion,disorganization,victimization involving a
certain area as well as hypersensitivity found in sensory integration
issues,misdiagnoses,drugs,medications,addictions.....but also empathetic,compassionate

Hard Moon aspects could indicate hypersensitivity,being overly
emotional,insecurity as well as possible brain issues....but also
nurturing,emotionally relating,supportive

Hard Uranus aspects could indicate being unusual,weird,not fitting
in.....bringing about change,being progressive,being an activist

Hard Pluto aspects could indicate trauma,abuse,betrayal,trust
issues,suspiciousness involving a certain area....could indicate
psychological issues,needing psychoanalysis,hard experiences with
psychiatrists.......regeneration,will power,intensity

Hard Chiron aspects could indicate being "special" like in special
education, dealing with pain,being wounded........compassionate/
empathetic through painful experiences,healing,teaching,special skills

hypothetical: Hard Eris aspects could indicate diversity
issues,intolerance,civil/equal rights violations,bigotry involving a
certain area.....but also standing up for one's self and others, being an advocate

Could a lot of Schizophrenics be actually misdiagnosed Dyslexics,Dyspraxics,ADHDers,Aspergers?


Patients with schizophrenia are likely to have problems reading,
reveals a study that shows some may even have impairments similar to
those seen in patients with dyslexia. http://www.patienthealthinternational.com/ncm.aspx


The ability to recognize objects is a fundamental cognitive task in
every sensory modality, e.g., for friend/foe discrimination, social
communication, reading, or hearing, and its loss or impairment is associated with a number of neural disorders (e.g., in autism, dyslexia, or schizophrenia). http://neuro.georgetown.edu/faculty/riesenhuber.htm

History: Most children who develop schizophrenia have disturbances of
behavior and cognition prior to the onset of characteristic symptoms
of psychosis. Delays in speech and language and delays in acquisition of motor milestones are noted in approximately one half of these children. Children who develop schizophrenia have higher rates of
impaired social skills and school achievement prior to presenting
signs of schizophrenia http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic2057.htm
(Delays in Speech and language are signs of Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and
Autism. Delays in acquisition of motor milestones are signs of
Dyspraxia. Impaired social skills are signs of Aspergers,Autistics.
Impaired school achievement is common in
Dyslexics,Dyspraxics,ADHDers.)


Language Disorder In Schizophrenia As A Developmental Disorder by Ruth Condray
Language disorder is increasingly understood to be an important
characteristic of schizophrenia. The hypothesis advanced here is that
receptive language disorder in schizophrenia represents a learning
disorder that involves a neurodevelopmental etiology. It is argued
that receptive language disorder may involve a preexisting
developmental reading disorder for a subgroup of schizophrenia
patients. Whether the language disorder of schizophrenia is
equivalent,phenotypically and etiologically, to the language disorder
of dyslexia is an open question. Although schizophrenia and dyslexia
are separate clinical disorders, independent lines of evidence are
suggestive of parallels between their hallmark features,cognitive
dysfunction, and potential pathophysiology. http://www.wpic.pitt.edu/research/biometrics/Publications/Biometrics%20Archives%20PDF/890-2005%20Condary%20Sz%20Res%20Lang%20Disord.pdf


Here are the symptoms of Dyspraxia.....if you read them, you'll see how this neurodivergent condition can be misdiagnosed as schizophrenia... I feel that out of all the neurodivergent conditions, Dyspraxia is the most likely to be misdiagnosed as schizophrenia.


have the book called Understanding Developmental Dyspraxia by
Madeleine Portwood. I had it since 2003. I bought it to understand Dyspraxia which I have.

I listed symptoms from her book.


DIFFICULTIES OF DYSPRAXIA

Planning and movement(gross motor skills):
1.Clumsy gait and movement,difficulty changing direction,stopping and
starting. poor quality and control of movement.
2.poor posture,poor muscle tone and strength(especially pelvis and
shoulders - generally floppy) reduced stamina.
3.overflow and exaggerated accessory movements.
4.lack of awareness of body positioning in space.

late at reaching milestones e.g. sitting,crawling,standing,and walking:
1.(might not have crawled at all).
2.tendency to fall,trip over,and bump into things.
3.poor coordination,difficulty riding a bike and driving a car.
4.poor balance and body control,difficulty holding a position.
5.difficulty with sport,especially bat and ball games,working in teams.
6.lack of rhythm e.g. with dancing,aerobics and playing musical instruments.
7.difficulties walking up and down hills.

Hand - eye coordination (fine motor skills):
1.Lack of manual dexterity e.g. unscrewing things, sewing,locks and
keys,art and craft work, keyboard work,mechanical things,domestic
chores(untidy)and DIY.
2.Handwriting (poor pen grip,may not finish off words,keep in the line
and/or may press too hard)
3.poor personal appearance,difficulties with make-up and doing
hair,shabby clothes,tendency to look messy.
4.coordination problems with eating and drinking.


Perception:
1.Perception of messages and difficulty in relating these messages into
actions.
2.Difficulty following instructions. Not instinctive;has to be taught
everything step by step
3.Little sense of time,direction,speed or weight,poor map reading
4.poor laterality and crossing the mid-line - discriminating right from
left. overly or unduly sensitive to noise,touch,taste,temperature or light
5.tracking problems - lose place easily when reading


Language:
1..late learning to talk,continuous talking, repetition, clumsy immature
speech, uncontrolled pitch and volume

.Thought and memory:
1..People with dyspraxia may have difficulty planning and organizing
their thoughts. They might find it hard to discriminate. They can be
messy and cluttered,unfocused,and erratic.
2.They can have accuracy problems and find it hard to copy and
proof-read. They often have poor memory (especially short term) and
may keep forgetting and losing things.
3.They may find it hard to concentrate,only being able to do one thing
at a time. Slow to finish a task if they do at all.
4.Dyspraxia has links with ADD and hyperactivity. Dyspraxic people may
daydream and wander about aimlessly.
5.Many will have Dyslexia and as well and have problems with
reading,spelling,note taking,essay writing,and doing maths and sequencing.

Social and emotional problems
1.Tendency to be easily frustrated, have emotional outbursts,and to be
impulsive. Difficulties with listening,especially in a large group.
2.May find it difficult to pick up non-verbal signals and judge the tone
or pitch of voice in themselves and others. Can take things too
literally,be tactless,and interrupt,wanting immediate satisfaction.
3.Can play the clown. Can be slow to adapt to new situations and to
learn new skills.
4.Can have problems with team work and have a tendency to take evasive
action when they face a difficult situation.
5.May be insomniac,stressed,depressed,anxious,and indecisive. May have
phobias,fears,and obessions.
6.This may lead to lack of self-esteem and difficulties being assertive.
Can also be individualistic and original.


Anybody that reads the symptoms of Dyspraxia can see that they
could easily meet the criteria of schizophrenia(especially the disorganized type schizophrenia)
and get misdiagnosed as that if they are misunderstood and they only go by what they observe and not do any neurological,psychological testing,nor find find out developmental history.

Neurodivergent conditions are highly overlooked in adults compared to
children. A neurodivergent adult can easily be misdiagnosed as having
serious psychiatric disorder. But there is a skyrocketing increase of children being diagnosed bipolar and being on antipsychotics. Bipolar
often overlaps with ADHD which in turn has symptoms that overlap with Dyslexia,Dyspraxia. Dyspraxia definitely share some symptoms with Bipolar and Schizophrenia.

Dyspraxia is far less recognized condition than Dyslexia and ADHD. The 3 conditions have overlapping symptoms and comorbidity just like I have Dyslexia,Dyspraxia,and ADHD.


Because of the overlapping symptoms of neurodivergent conditions and schizophrenia, I believe that Astrologers need to differentiate the chart of a neurodivergent from chart of a schizophrenic. Researching,investigating,and documenting Neurodivergent condition indicators and writing books about them would help astrologers understand their neurodivergent clients.


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So any ways....as you see there is a considerable overlapping of symptoms,traits,characteristics that schizophrenia have with neurodivergent conditions..especially Dyspraxia. There haven't been any serious research into the anatomical brain structures of Dyspraxics either. They just theorize that it has to do with immature neuron connections. Dr. Harold N. Levinson believes that it's connected to cerebellar vestibular dysfunction. Also it could be that Dyspraxia has also do with poor coordination between the right and left brain hemispheres...especially many Dyspraxics tend to be late establishing dominant hand,get left and right mixed up,and some are ambidextrous or have some other type of mixed dominance which is said be common in schizophrenics too.


so if there is an overlapping of symptoms,traits,and characteristics, it makes sense that schizophrenia and neurodivergent conditions can have similar astrological indicators like I theorized that they can both share unusually strong transneptunian energy in common.


neurodivergents tend have family history of psychiatric disorders including schizophrenia. Albert Einstein who is thought to had Dyslexia,Autism,ADD...various people disagree with what he had, but he definitely had abnormal speech development that is common in many Dyslexics,Autistics as well as Dyspraxics) had a schizophrenic son.

Unusually strong transneptunian energies could run in families of people that have neurodivergence and/or serious psychiatric disorders like schizophrenia.


That's just my opinion.

The transneptunians' energies are highly unknown but there is a lot about serious conditions that are unknown,hard to pin down. The symbolism of the transneptunian energies fit right in with schizophrenia and neurodivergent conditions...especially when there is strongly overlap in symptoms,traits,and characteristics between them.


Raymond


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