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Dazzled
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posted December 06, 2008 03:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dazzled     Edit/Delete Message
What you do in this life affects the next?
Why are some people born to certain things?
Why do we have karmic relationships?
What is the ultimate purpose of Karma?

What are your concepts of Karma and how do you deal with it?

It would be interesting to hear and answer questions on this.

Do you believe in Karma?

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Kick It
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posted December 06, 2008 03:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
You ask too many questions. Yes I do believe in that word.

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Dazzled
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posted December 06, 2008 03:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dazzled     Edit/Delete Message
Let me give an example of a karmic relationship.

Recently I emailed IQ details of my friend and I. This is what he said (hope he won't mind me posting this):

"She has 10.4 degrees Aqua Rising and you have 10.4 degrees Pisces Rising, this is astounding! Same degree in successive signs with the same moon sign and complementary lunar phases, both of you have Asteroid KARMA in the seventh house... a definite past life connection as close friends, yes with plenty of karma.
Her Pluto opposes your Moon and your Moon is conjunct her Venus. This is indicative of a controlling friendship or even a past life as husband wife [complicated as it may seem.]"

Reading his email was a bit scary because he put in words what I've always felt.
My Moon conjuncts my friend's IC, our Nodes and Vertexes conjunct too.

I feel that there is a 'fated' quality to the relationship. But honestly, I wish it wasn't so!

1) We're both girls and feeling that we have the vibe of a past life couple is weird. There's a possessive, controlling, jealousy thingy going on.

Obviously we are not going to become lovers (ERRGHH!!) but we sometimes almost behave like we are (not in the sexual way, but emotionally).

Our synastry overlays are the most neatly aligned I've ever seen, we have a very wide Chiron Venus conjunct(now what does Magi Astrology say about that?)

Honestly, I don't understand what roles we have to play out and what is the purpose of our friendship.

Can I just say Karma is a bummer?

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Dazzled
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posted December 06, 2008 03:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dazzled     Edit/Delete Message
LOL @ Kick It.

Yes I do, don't I? :P

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Peri
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posted December 06, 2008 04:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate.
~ Carl Jung

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triplecancer
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posted December 06, 2008 08:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for triplecancer     Edit/Delete Message
Sometimes I think Karma is just a concept created to justify the sufferings in the world. People always wonder why good people suffer, and some justify this with Karma. If a person can't remember their previous life, why should they get "punished" in this one for something they did wrong before, when they don't even remember doing that?
Does this mean all starving people in the world have bad karma? I don't think so. I just think the world is unfair. I guess, it's very complex. Maybe I'm wrong.

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FistOfLegend
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posted December 06, 2008 08:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FistOfLegend     Edit/Delete Message
^ You stole the words out of my mouth. It's very difficult to work with karma if you can't remember what you did in the past. Maybe someone can clearly explain the concept.

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VirgOh
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posted December 06, 2008 09:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for VirgOh     Edit/Delete Message
I try not to do any wrong or hurt people to avoid bad karma and it usually works out fine.

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Kick It
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posted December 06, 2008 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kick It     Edit/Delete Message
Triplecancer, I had an experience with a dear friend talking about Christianity. Not just him. Repentence. He/they were basically saying: If you do bad by the lord (ten commandments etc) in your life, but do repent before you die (ask Lord for forgivness) then you will goto heaven.

So whatever bad you do in this life, as long as you say sorry to the big guy/gal, you are fine.
I dont like his and certain areas of the church thinking on that. For obvious reasons.

If you do bad in this life, certain things happening to address that balance in your next life is more acceptable for me, and a natural way of justice.

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oneruledbymars
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posted December 06, 2008 10:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
I am not sure if this will help, but its my two cents.

Alot of people see Karma as a form of punishment. I don't see that way. To me it is the fulfilling of responsibilities which result in expanded spiritual growth. We come into this world on a soul mission to accomplish something. And each mission is different for each soul based on each carnation and what was accomplished in them.

Triplecancer you wrote:
"Sometimes I think Karma is just a concept created to justify the sufferings in the world. People always wonder why good people suffer, and some justify this with Karma. If a person can't remember their previous life, why should they get "punished" in this one for something they did wrong before, when they don't even remember doing that?
Does this mean all starving people in the world have bad karma? I don't think so. I just think the world is unfair. I guess, it's very complex. Maybe I'm wrong."

The secret is that the universe has purpose – rules and challenges. None of us are here by accident. we are all here to live out our life’s purpose, to learn from experience and to walk the path we chose. We came here for a reason. And here on our" classroom" Earth it is all about progression, learning and succession to a higher level.
There is a purpose to everyones life, no matter how it maybe be manifest on a physical level.
This is our KARMA, the grand plan for our lives – the credits and debits, the good and the bad – the path we ust tread.
When we can instinctively tune into that Karma, and can find the purpose and reasons for our lessons and can finally find our paths (paths that some of us have been off of for many lifetimes) then we can understand whats happening and why - and as a result we are learnhow to walk the path in peace and happiness. In other words we are not bound to Karma, we can free ourselves.

Consider your lifepath like a maze. The maze is composed of lessons you must learn this lifetime, accomplishments you must make, souls who were meant to bring you happiness, and souls that were meant to teach you lessons. Circumstances in each lifepath are all different, and for whatever choice we chose them, to learn something that we need to learn. So as we walk our path we cannot look to left or to the right and say where someone elses path is "just" or "unjust". It is simply, for whatever reasons that exist different for yours, as there life lessons are different than yours.
No two charts are alike, and no to destinies are alike, no two DNA patterns are alike they are all unique.
Ultimately we should be turning inward, focussing on our own journey, so that we are learning our lessons and growing from them.

The ultimate goal is to transcend our fears and doubts, to relinquish control, to be open to opportunity and to be prepared to follow the path to wherever it leads. Frequently we as humans ‘want’ our path to be a straight line from where we are now to what we want and set off in that straight line assuming it’s going to work. Understand that it may well be that there are twists and turns, unexpected events, challenges and also unexpected rewards.


Use those instincts, intuition, senses and emotions. We all have them and through them we are guided in the right direction…
Have faith.....
Understand that things that have to happen will happen. Don’t be a slave to the timing, you have your own path to walk and many other things that need to be encountered on the way. Ultimately free will cannot overcome destiny it can only delay things but each person needs to learn their lesson before they can move forward. And they will - the universe has much more control than we realize. What will be will be……….


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Kismet*
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posted December 06, 2008 11:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kismet*     Edit/Delete Message
Forgive and Forget.

If something bad happens to you, accept and move on. Never try to hurt somebody because they hurt you.

The purpose of Karma is balance. We are all here to balance our Karma with certain individuals, and sometimes this means we get hurt in the process, but it's probably because we inflicted this sort of pain on them. I find a sort of healing aspect in looking at life this way. Even if Karma is BS, it's a very good way to live life.

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AcousticGod
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posted December 07, 2008 02:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
I believe in the concept of Karma, but I don't actively do anything about it. [Other than what happens naturally] there is no dealing with it in my world.

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Iqhunk
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posted December 07, 2008 08:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Iqhunk     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Dazzled,
1RBMars has given an excellent analogy of the maze.

Karma is very complex. It is a law of the third dimension. When you hurt someone in this lifeline, you do get a punishment but only when you feel guilty about it.
If not, the negative returns are collected as energy and they affect the mind of the soul prior to the next life. This mind pattern brings about the punishment [poverty etc] in the next life.
High level evil souls escape karmic punishment in this world by selling their souls to astral negative entities, the consequences are that they can never become "angelic" or 5th Dimension entities unless they live out all their punishments in some 3rd dimensional existence.
Good souls with some karmic debt mind patterns can mentally overcome the negativity by forgiveness, forgive unconditionally with a full awareness of the emotion of forgiveness. Another method is the practice of charity with awareness and visualization of happiness for others.
The keyword is "awareness" of every thought and deed, when done without negative intentions, it burns off karmic debts very fast.


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triplecancer
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posted December 07, 2008 10:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for triplecancer     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you oneruledbymars, that was very interesting and touching. I guess I don't know what my purpose is, what my lesson to be learned is. I am trying to discover it, but my fears and doubts get in the way. I wish it could be easier for me.

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praecipua
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posted December 07, 2008 11:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for praecipua     Edit/Delete Message
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oneruledbymars
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posted December 07, 2008 10:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for oneruledbymars     Edit/Delete Message
Your welcome Triplecancer. It is not easy for any of us. This is a very trying time in history for all of us, but that is exactly why we are here. IQHunk put it best I think, when he said.
"The keyword is "awareness" of every thought and deed, when done without negative intentions, it burns off karmic debts very fast."
And also he mentioned forgiveness,...... it is so important.
Remember the "Lords Prayer". "Forgive us our debts as we forgive our debtors" What do you think you are praying for when you say that? Exactly.... and what follows forgiveness? Love.... love and acceptance of self, love for others, and most importantly for the Divine that exist within.


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BlueTopaz124
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posted December 08, 2008 01:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueTopaz124     Edit/Delete Message
I've learned when to step back and let karma do its thing. Usually a situation that is out of my hands and someone else's will is doing the driving and is a negative situation, or turning negative.

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