posted December 11, 2008 02:49 AM         

You will also gain insights if you make stepwise multi composites.

For starters, Check Saturn, Asteroid Karma, Pluto, Asc and Moon for:

You + Member1
You + Member2
..You + MemberN

Next, You + Member1 + Member2
You + Member1 + Member3
..
till you do a check for all together.

You may have to make 16 charts for a family
of 5, but thats the only way to maximize the knowledge of what has to be dealt with.

You may find Pluto trines or Saturn trines prominent in some composites, these will tell you that if you team up while handlin issues with certain members, you all will benefit immensely. These groupings will help the other members and you tackle any squares or oppositions between you.

I have done this for my family, and it was one of the most illuminating experiences in astrology as it helped me confirm our family's spritual origins. Our 7 charts together pointed precise aspects to the Galactic Centre.

The individual comparisions helped me realize that some issues should be kept between brothers and not involve the parent, some issues should be between parent and never involve brothers, and some issues should involve everyone. This increases family harmony in the long run.

This can be extended to even business, if composite part of fortune of certain family members can fall in the common 5th house aspecting Venus harmoniously, this unit must invest together to win.

posted December 11, 2008 07:56 AM         

I have started at the end, and did a multicomposite for all 6 members of our family (including my aunt, which has been raised by my parents, and therefor is pretty much like a sister to me).

In the family composite we have a Grand trine of

Karma: 1.8 Leo
Neptune: 0.8 Sagittarius
Chiron: 1.5 Aries

Interestingly my middle brother is mentally handicapped, so there was always extra care needed
(the family composite also has Ceres on 29.2 Aquarius conjunct Juno on 00.3 Pisces conjunct True Node on 2.9 Pisces).

That Grand Trine actually involves two Kites, as Amor is opposing Karma and Pluto opposes Chiron.

There is yet another Grand Trine:
MOON on 24.4 Scorpio conjunct Psyche on 22.8 Scorpio
trines
Saturn on 22.9 Cancer
trines
Valentine on 21.4 Pisces.

One of the things my parents think of as most important is being compassionate towards others and trying to understand other people`s perspective.
Both my parents have been very involved in humanitarian organisations dealing with mental handicapped people; actually my mum co-founded one, and my dad still is in some leading position in another one dedicating a big part of their lives to these.

The Sabians of the Grand trines are interesting, too.

Chiron on 2 Aries:
A comedian reveals human nature
- all my brothers and my Dad have very much comedy-talent, born our of their capibility of observing and analysing human nature

Karma on 2 Leo:
An epidemic of Mumps
I am not sure what that means though

Neptune on 1 Sagittarius:
Retired army veterans gather to reawaken old memories

Maybe that means that we`ve met each other in previous lives before this one?

The other Grand Trine:

Moon: 25 Scorpio
and X-ray photograph
- that makes me think of my Mum, who is a Scorpio-Virgo-Cancer-mix up and the most observant person I have ever known; even though her observations are sometimes a bit "coloured"

Psyche on 23 Scorpio
A rabbit metamorphoses into a nature spirit
lol

Valentine on 22 Pisces
A prophet carrying tablets of the new law is walking down the slopes of Mount Sinai

posted December 11, 2008 08:01 AM         

3 Pisces:
Petrified trees trunks lie broken on desert sand

posted December 11, 2008 12:55 PM         

So I think my brother may "see" things we do not acknowledge, because he doesn`t have such a strong intellectual filter as most of us do.

But of course he has to be protected and cared for, which the whole family does.

"you will spot a strong fixed star connection in the Moon or Asc."

Well, Moon is on 09°18 Sagittarius (conjunct my Neptune, True Node, ASC, Atlantis and Angel and conjunct my youngest brother Moon, Jupiter and Uranus).
On 09°46 is:
Antares:
A Royal Star. The Archangel Oriel, the Watcher of the West. Spirit of adventure, obstinacy, injuries to eyes, honours, sudden loss, stubborn, suspicious, violent, several marriages.
(I am only looking at conjunctions, right?)

" Many souls have sacrificed normalcy in this lifeline so that souls with Higher Selves as stellar beings master unconditional love in this 21st century timeline."
Do you think that the Higher Self actually are stellar beings?

posted December 11, 2008 01:28 PM         

may I ask you something?
I`m not even sure there is an answer to that, but what is the 8th dimension?

posted December 11, 2008 01:48 PM         

As for strong fixed star connection with the Moon or Ascendant, I have Fomalhaut in 3'28 Pisces conjunct my Moon in 3'11 Pisces which is the apex of a t-square with Jupiter in 8'17 Sagittarius,Neptune in 1'48 Sagittarius in 3rd and retrograde Saturn in Gemini in Gemini in 9th. My Saturn/Neptune midpoint is in 3'28 Virgo,and so its exactly opposite Fomalhaut,and oppose my Moon. I believe that the combination of Fomalhaut and Saturn/Neptune midpoint shares a theme of spirituality,idealism vs. materalism,realism with my need to be grounded,realistic in regards to spirituality,inspiration,and idealism.

Robert Hand interprets Saturn/Neptune as confusion about what is and is not real. Fear,pessimism. Ascetism, extreme self denial or denial of the physical for reasons of self-discipline. Often takes the form of chronic,non-infectious,or systemic ailments. The ability to bring dreams or ideals into concrete realization.

I definitely have configurations that indicate my faith being tested constantly. I guess this also fits with my being born on the 29th. 29 is known as the number of Job who is known for having trials and tribulations in the bible. My mother has a 29/11 lifepath too,and her life has been very difficult and karmic.

Fomalhaut * A Royal Star. Archangel Gabriel, the Watcher of the South. Congenital birth defects, magic, fame, occult, faith, "Star of Alchemy", addiction, undesirable associates 3° Pisces 52 Fortunate Venus/ Mercury/ Neptune

as you see, the star can be about congenital birth defects and faith as well as addictions. Alcoholism runs on both sides of my family,and so I don't drink. Drug addiction also runs in my family,and I have never used drugs. I made an oath never to use drugs when I was 12 after my mom told me the truth about my father had a drug problem,and that's why I never knew him. I have kept that oath even though there are a bunch of potheads in my family. My own addictions have been caffeine and sugar,but I have kicked them. I believe that sugar is about as bad as any drug. It's highly addictive. The Venus/Mercury/Neptune influence of the star could be about the unconditional love. I have a Mercury-Venus-Neptune parallel,and Saturn contraparallels that. So Saturn,the planet of realism,skepticism tests tthat unconditional love. Of course,I have Saturn-Neptune both in opposition and contraparallel. Therefore,a Saturn-Neptune occultation.

I am a believer in astro-genetics since I got into Astrology in 1998. Strong watersign,Neptune,Pluto,Scorpio,Jupiter,Mercury,Uranus influences definitely seem to run in my family on my mother's side. Even Pluto's fellow transneptunians are a strong influence in my family. I am a 3rd generation watersign moon on my mother's side. I am 4th generation watersign luminary on her side too. I have Moon in Pisces and Saturn oppose Neptune like my maternal grandfather. My mother and 3 of her 4 halfsiblings have Sun-Neptune aspects which reflect the highly Neptunian nature of their father who had Sun quintile Neptune. I am a 2nd generation Moon in Pisces on my father's side. I have Sun quincunx Saturn and Mercury contraparallel Saturn like he has Sun-Mercury in Capricorn trine Saturn. My Moon is in the 6th house, my mother has Virgo Imum Coeli,and her mother had Moon in Virgo. My mother has Moon in Scorpio square Pluto,her mother had Moon sextile Pluto, and I have Moon quincunx Pluto(its a bit wide..my Moon semisquares my Sun/Pluto midpoint with 5 minutes of arc though...I have Sedna semisquare Moon/Pluto midpoint with 5 minutes of arc because of a yod).

I believe that the midpoints and harmonics also can point to astrogenetics too. I have a 27th harmonic triangle of Sun-Mercury-Neptune (grand trine in 9th harmonic chart) with a corresponding Mercury conjunct Sun/Neptune midpoiint. I believe that reflects the highly Neptunian and Mercurial nature of my father who had Moon in Pisces disposited by a stationary Neptune in Virgo with its dispositor Mercury conjunct Sun within 3 degrees.

I believe that my mom and I share major karma together.
My moon is in an almost perfect grand trine with her Saturn trine Karma. our karmas square each other. My own karmia is quincunx my Moon with around 10 minutes of arc which could indicate strong karma involving mother as well as with women in general.

I haven't looked at Draconic charts. I believe that our regular charts alone show the strong family karma. I do believe the Draconic charts could show some very interesting stuff that would add to the case of strong karmic connections in our family.

so yeah......I believe in astro-genetics which to me is pretty much astrological family karma

Raymond

posted December 18, 2008 01:51 PM         

i don't think you have to repeat the pattern, but beware of trying too hard to counterbalance it - my experience reiterates the story of oedipus (who left home so as not to fulfill the oracle's prophecy that he would kill his father and marry his mother, only to meet his [unknown] real father on the road, kill him in an argument and marry his wife [the unknown mother!].