posted December 14, 2008 09:11 PM         

You know in astrology where suppressed aspects of yourself manifests as projection?

I read a lot about people just projecting themselves onto one another, seeing them as how they want to see them.

posted December 14, 2008 09:47 PM         

My moon in the 12th - I do tend to suppress my own emotions well, though they bite me out of nowhere suddenly (the Aries in it lol). Times when my Moon fell into someone's 1st or 4th, I saw them as extremely irrationally emotional and it attracted/repelled me... even if that person was not a 'usually' emotional person.

posted December 14, 2008 09:51 PM         

I do think the 7th house can be prominent too in regards to the Jungian stuff. Maybe the stuff in the 1st feels jarring and in-your-face, but when it falls in the 7th it can be highly idealized, as though we reached out for that projection.

posted December 14, 2008 10:09 PM         

I think you're right on about the 12th. Whenever people put planets into my 12th they project onto me. I hate that. Grr...

posted December 15, 2008 09:56 AM         

For example:
I have Mars in 12th house conjunct Neptune but also conjunct ASC; so the Martian energy may be partly a part of my shadow (partly because the conjunction to ASC makes it more conscious than if it was in Scorpio (my ASC / Mars is in Sagittarius)).

I tend to avoid Martian issues (which is kinda impossible cause I also have Mars conjunct NN), and always pictured myself as rather gentle, soft, void of aggressions and energy.
Curiously others view me quite differently at times.

Also, for some time in my life I have had a strong aversion against those selfish, selfcentred, dominant, arrogant people who only care for themselves and will mindlessly overrun the more helpless people.

Interestingly I think Saturn might be a part of my shadow, too. It is retograde in Cancer in 8th house, a singleton, as it is the only planet on the right half of the chart.
However, as much as I didn`t like Martian people, even worse was my rejection of w hat I called "typical Cancer" - lamoryant, full of selfpity, clingy, manipulative, depressing, also selfcentred in a more subtle way, dependent and such things.
Of course it was a very onesided view on Cancers (there are wonderful Cancer-people out there, I know that. ):

And it doesn`t come as a surprise, that of course my Mum has a Cancer - ASC, two friends of mine have Cancer-ASC, another friend of mine has Cancer-ASC and Cancer Moon. lol

Shortly after my SAturn-Return I finally realized that those "qualities" I almost "loathed" in others just reminded me that I have them deep inside myself.
But my Sag-stellium, my Aquarius-Moon and my Capricorn-Venus couldn`t really deal with those things. I believe that I projected them onto my friends and family, but in my case those people were a good "screen", as they indeed have Cancer or strong Moon-energy.
I also think that by drawing them into my life, I had and still have to face the issues around the Cancer-symbolism I have and have to reintegrate them.

posted December 15, 2008 10:08 AM         

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Psychologically, it's because people don't want to face who they really are.

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posted December 15, 2008 11:50 AM         

.. In terms of the subject of relating, perhaps the most important mechanism we possess that enables us to see into the psyche is that of projection. We often use the term in connection with the cinema, and its meaning in this context can help us to undertand it in a psychological sense as well. When we see an image projected upon a screen, we look at the image and respond to it, rather than examining the film or the transparency within the projector which is the real source of the image; nor do we look at the light within the projector which makes it possible for us to see the image in the first place. When a person projects some unconscious quality existent within himself onto another person he reacts to the projection as though it belonged to the other; it does not occur to him to look within his own psyche for the source of it. He will treat the projection as though it existed outside him, and its impact on him will usually trigger a high emotional charge because it is, in reality, his own unconscious self that he is facing.
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.. This very simple mechanism is at work whenever we have any highly coloured or irrational emotional reaction, positive or negative, to another person. It's a lifetime's work to introject, to recognise and to bring back into ourselves, these unconscious qualities, so that we can begin to perceive the dim outlines of the other's identity, And we certainly do not come closer, but only move futher away, when we make or break relationships according to responses based on our projections.
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still trying to rack my brain as to a time i may have 'projected' ..
and relating it to my chart ..

if i read a forum post .. and react to it as if i've imposed my own emotions onto the post ..
is that 'projection' ? ( rhetorical question :-)

i know 'bullys' .. well the subject of 'bullying' .. triggers a high emotional charge in me ..
and i know what i'd like to subject a 'bully' to .. on a one to one .. in private ..
i'd become one nasty bully myself .. i.e. given no moral 'brakes' ..
mainly to give back what they give out .. so to speak .. 'payback' ..
so .. although i deplore such behaviour .. and would seek to avoid it if possible ..
according to the psychologists .. there must be a 'bully' residing in my psyche somewhere ..

posted December 15, 2008 02:15 PM         

Mother Teresa calls someone a **** .

How does that work then?
Is it just a part of her psyche which rejects that bit of character within her?

Sounds like 7th house. Though I guess it is about the self more than the other.

posted December 15, 2008 03:00 PM         

I think there is often projection, if we`re reacting unreasonably emotionally to something, sometimes not even explainable to ourselves.

So if Mother Theresa would have experienced very strong emotions like raging fury or almost hate or very strong contempt for that woman, she called a **** , then this could be a sign of projection.
Maybe she would have been boiling inside, because this other woman expressed something she didn`t dare to express or had been denying herself to express all her life, maybe because it just didn`t fit into her high moral, or her perception of herself.

posted December 15, 2008 06:33 PM         

Maybe if they've had bad experiences with expressing those traits (them getting shut down or hurt from showing those traits) they can't see how others are more easily accepted by expressing those same traits.