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Glaucus
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posted December 16, 2008 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

Astrology has really diverged from Astronomy since the Discovery of Uranus. Astrologers differ in their views,and there is a lot of disagreement about what methods to use. I believe that it's better to agree to disagree. It would be nice if astrologers even think of other astrological systems as equal and not viewing them as inferior,inaccurate,nor nonsense. Like I said before, not only is their discord among astronomers but discord among astrologers.

I feel that all this relates to Eris which I believe rules Astrology along with Uranus. Astrology is a controversial subject in mainstream society.

Even consider it's orbit. Uranus' orbit eccentricity is 0.044 405 586, but Eris' orbit eccentrity is 0.441 77. Therefore, Eris' orbit is more eccentric than Uranus' orbit. It would be logical to think that Eris more eccentric than Uranus in its astrology. Uranus orbital inclination is 0.772 556°, but Eris orbit is 44.187°. Eris' orbit is more inclined. Uranus' orbit mean anomaly is 142.955 717°,but Eris' orbit mean anomaly is 197.634 27°. Eris' orbit is more of an anomaly than Uranus. Conclusion of Eris being more of an anomaly than Uranus in regards to Astrological characteristics makes sense to me. Uranus travels on the ecliptic like all the other planets do,and it's in the constellation of Aquarius right now. Eris travels far off the ecliptic plane,and is in the constellation of Cetus which is not one of the zodiac constellations. Uranus doesn't have a highly elliptical orbit like Eris does. Unlike Uranus,Eris is a scattered disk object. Of course, Eris is far smaller than Uranus,but larger than Pluto. Eris is a lot more divergent than Uranus can ever be. Eris doesn't fit in with the other planets just like the mythological Eris didn't fit in with the major Greek deities. Therefore it makes perfect sense for me to consider divergence and diversity can be keywords for Eris.


I believe that Eris has to do with divergence,diversity more than Uranus does. Wars are fought because of differences in views,opinions,and beliefs.
People fought others that are different from them. People had that "you're wrong and I am right" mentality, and I see that going on in regards to morals,ethics,religion,politics,education,scientific fields,relationships,the food that we eat...I hate to say,but I see it in Astrology too. Even Steven Forrest who has a close Moon-Eris conjunction says that there is a Tower of Babel going on among astrologers,and he pointed out that the idea of one true Astrology is a myth and destructive.

Dr. Michael E. Brown, a professor of planetary astronomy at the California Institute of Technology who discovered the distant ball of ice and rock that he nicknamed Xena and that had been designated 2003 UB313, chose the name Eris, after the goddess of discord and strife in Greek mythology.
“It is absolutely the perfect name,” Brown said, given the continuing discord among astronomers and the public over whether Pluto should have retained its planetary status.
In mythology, Eris ignited discord that led to the Trojan War.
“She causes strife by causing arguments among men, by making them think their opinions are right and everyone else’s is wrong,” Brown said. “It really is just perfect.” http://tech.mit.edu/V126/N38/38shorts2.html

It seems all about ideology,diversity,equality matters in general. Eris can be about "-isms"
All these seem to pertain to Astrology. I believe that Astrology is not only viewed as a science,art, but it is also can be viewed as a religion. There does tend to be a belief in divine order in Astrology for some astrologers....especially Vedic Astrologers who believe in Vedic Astrology based on the Vedas. Some karmic astrologers believe in Astrology can tell about the soul,karma,reincarnation,past lives. I even believe that many astrologers can unconsciously approach Astrology as a religion when they are defending what they often review as a divine or sacred science. Some also don't want things to be changed in Astrology. This goes for mainstream Astrology which uses the outerplanets which most Vedic Astrologers and Classical Astrologers don't used and definitely were not used by the ancient Astrologers. Astronomers can be perceived as religiously when they attack Astrology. Same with many skeptics of Astrology. I would say that Astrologers,astronomers,skeptics,and religious people are more alike that they thought. People can be more than one of those things. I have been religious in my life. I have been an atheist and skeptical of Astrology. I have been passionate in defending Astrology to skeptics in the past too. I have been passion in defending unconventional Astrology to skeptical mainstream astrologers in the past too. Even now, I am skeptical of some mainstream astrological methods just like I am skeptical of some eclectic astrological methods, but I tolerate and respect them. I don't like focusing a lot on zodiac signs nor houses,and so I want a more geometrical based system like Cosmobiology is. I already prefer Cosmobiology over mainstream Astrology when it comes to medical Astrology. I am becoming skeptical of using soft aspects when looking at events. I definitely like a more astronomically oriented Astrology that I even considered adding Right Ascension in my use of Astrology. Right Ascension are the equatorial longitude coordinates that astronomers use to locate objects. I already use the declinations regularly just like astronomers do to locate objects. I have also even thought about using only the actual constellations and not the tropical zodiac signs nor the sidereal zodiac signs. I am skeptical of using a tropical zodiac (northern hemisphere season based zodiac) for people born in Southern Hemisphere like Australians and New Zealanders. However, I tolerate and respect others that use the things that I am skeptical of. I am a believer in tolerating and accepting diversity in Astrology.


In Eris' discovery chart, I looked at the following asteroids in regards to Astrology.


(25000) Astrometria
(100000) Astronautica
(1154) Astronomia
(59800) Astropis
(24626) Astrowizard
(73883) Asteraude ....French for Asteroid
(8958) Stargazer
(4255) Spacewatch
(6465) Zvezdotchet (Russian for Stargazer)
( 30) Urania ......named after muse of Astronomy)
(1134) Kepler, the astronomer/astrologer, Astrology program named after him,he introduced minor,harmonic aspects into Astrology disregarding signs,houses which he denounced as Arabic Sorcery.
(1677) Tycho Brahe..astronomer/astrologer that taught Kepler
(11518) Jung....the psychiastrist that used Astrology for psychological insights, it was reading about him that I got seriously into Astrology to use for insights into the human psyche
In my own chart
(313) Chaldaea......Chaldeans aka Babylonians, was synonymous with Astrologer because they were pioneers of Astrology....including changing a 16 sign zodiac to a 12 sign zodiac
(5808) Babel'....named after city in the bible associated with diversity leading to confusion in communications...it was the story that was used to justify segregation,interracial relationship bans......there is a lot of diversity,miscommunication,discord among Astrologers that Steven Forrest even the used word of Tower of Babel to describe the those issues among Astrologers
(6630) Skepticus.....skeptism is a typical thing when it comes to Astrology......most astronomers are skeptics of Astrology,thinking it's an outdated,innacurate,and superstitious.....there are lot of astrologers that tend to be skeptical of other astrological systems, many mainstream astrologers are skeptical of unconventional types of Astrology and vice versa......it makes me think of Saturn and Uranus as co-rulers of Astrology with Saturn as traditional,old,and/or conservative Astrology and Uranus as unconventional,new,and liberal Astrology.....but with Eris, it could be the divergence,diversity,discord of Astrology in general

Eris in 19'45 Aries Stationary Direct
Jupiter in 17'42 Libra
Karma in 20'11 Libra
Chaldaea in 19'37 Aquarius
Tycho Brahe in 19'49 Aquarius
Astrometria in 20'02 Pisces
(karma,ideology,diversity,judgment when it comes to Astrology)

Lunar Nodes in 28'49 Aries/Libra
Astronautica in 29'27 Libra
Zvezdotchet in 29'50 Sagittarius
Astronomia in 28'46 Capricorn
(looks like bigtime Astrological as connections to me as well as conflicts with astronomers)

Mars in 7'40 Sagittarius
Vertex in 5'39 Libra
Kepler in 6'05 Gemini R
Astrowizard in 7'52 Virgo
(passionate about Astrology which can involve fate(Vertex) and harmonics,minor aspects(Kepler) )

Mercury in 24'12 Sagittarius
Venus in 25'07 Sagittarius
Chiron in 25'58 Capricorn
Saturn in 24'33 Cancer
Stargazer in 24'19 Aries
Jung in 25'24 Aquarius
Spacewatch in 25'29 Pisces
Asteraude in 26'46 Scorpio
(communications,views in regards to Astrology which can be used for psychological insights and can involve asteroids and not just planets)

Moon in 10'57 Scorpio
Midheaven in 7'54 Capricorn
Urania in 9'17 Cancer
Babel' in 9'31 Leo
(emotional biases in regards to Astrology that involve Tower of Babel Issues)

Ascendant in 13'02 Aries
Neptune in 14'00 Aquarius
Skepticus in 12'19 Sagittarius
Astropis in 12'46 Leo R
(skepticism,dissolution,inspiration,gullibility,deception in regards to Astrology)



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Glaucus
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posted December 16, 2008 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Glaucus     Edit/Delete Message

I also want to discuss Eris in Uranus' Discovery chart. It's relevant to show how the energy of Eris played into the divergence of Astrology and Astronomy.


I checked out any Eris activity during the discovery of Uranus which could reflect that Eris' energy was also involved and that some of its characteristics were assigned to Uranus. Maybe Astrologers picked up on Eris' energy when it was considering Uranus' role in Astrology. It was the discovery of Uranus that disrupted the longtime view of only 7 planets in the solar system which fit with the view of 7 as a sacred number. Of course, it was the discovery of Uranus that led to Astrology and Astronomy diverging from each other as well as even Astrologers diverging from each other.

Uranus discovery chart:
March 13, 1781
Bath,England
12:00 PM..not sure of actual time


Mercury in 11'10 Aries
Eris in 13'54 Capricorn
(The Mercury square Eris could relate to perceptions linked to Eris that helped Uranus be discovered which lead to causing disorder in organization of perceptions of the old solar system just like Eris' discovery led to disorder in organization of perceptions of what constitutes a planet leading to Pluto being demoted from major planet to minor planet,and made equals with Ceres with both Pluto and Ceres being classed as dwarf planets. This aspect could be about divergent,diverse communications,mental activity,ideas.)


I checked to see if any connections to Geocentric Eris Nodes as well as Heliocentric Nodes

Venus in 2'21 Pisces
sextile North Eris Node in 2'21 Taurus
trine South Eris Node in 3'39 Scorpio
sextile/trine Heliocentric Nodes in 2'34 Taurus/Scorpio
This could be values,love,relationships connected to the collective issues of diversity,discord,equal rights
(so Uranus Discovery chart's Venus trines South Eris Node and sextiles the North Eris Node
note: The Eris North Node is sextile its dispositor,Venus...so a double whammy of Eris Node-Venus.)


I checked the Heliocentic Chart (After all..there is such thing as heliocentric Astrology...Philip Sedgwick has a book on it called Sun At The Center..I have that book too)

Heliocentric Mercury in 2'00 Cancer
sextile/trine Heliocentric Eris Nodes in 2'34 Scorpio
(This could be communications,mental activity,ideas that are connected to the collective issues of diversity,discord,equal rights)
Heliocentric Mercury is also the dispositor of the Heliocentric North Uranus Node in 12'50 Gemini

Heliocentric Mars in 13'26 Scorpio
sextile Heliocentric Eris in 12'44 Capricorn
(this could be activity that is diverse,divergent)

Heliocentric Eris also squares its own Perihelion/Aphelion in 11'50 Libra/Aries


I checked to see connections to Eris Perigree/Apogee axis

Perigree:The point nearest the Earth in the orbit of a planet or other celestial body.

Apogee: The point furthest from the Earth in the orbit of a planet or other celestial body.


Mercury is in 11'10 aries
Eris Apogee is in 11'40 aries
Eris Perigree is in 12'18 libra


So Mercury is aspected to not only Eris but Eris perigree/apogee axis and Heliocentric Mercury aspected to Heliocentric Eris Nodes suggesting that Uranus is connected to Eris and that astrologers were picking up on Erisian energy in Uranus and assigning some characteristics to Uranus that actually belong to Eris.

Could it be that the discovery of Uranus that ended up causing controversy,chaos in regards to view of the solar system which also ended up turning astrologers into not only minorities and outcasts from the academic,science fields but also created diversity,divergence in Astrology(for instance,some astrologers don't use the outerplanets and think that's the only right way to do Astrology) is linked to Eris? I believe that's the case. I believe that Eris could be co-ruler of Astrology along with Uranus.

Raymond


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