posted June 04, 2008 12:12 PM         

April 21,2008
10:53 p.m.
Paducah, Kentucky

posted June 04, 2008 04:01 PM         

i actually get for the baby a sag asc, scorpio moon and taurus sun. i used april 21 2008, 10:53 pm, paducah KY -- that's right right? i use koch houses.

she has a very interesting, tight t-square. (the vertex/anti-vertex axis is loosely attached to the opposition in it too, this configuration is very much connected to her spirit, her soul.) venus is the apex at 19 aries in the 4th house, squared by both jupiter at 21 cap in 2nd & mars at 20 cancer in the 8th house both of which oppose each other (mars & jup). she will be an extremely sexual person (mars/venus square -- heightened desires; mars/jupiter opposition -- jupiter expands whatever it touches and mars is the desire nature; mars in 8th house -- needs to DELVE into desires, very scorpionic in feel; mars in a water sign cancer; venus in aries -- needs constant newness, lotsa PASSION; venus in 4th -- very cancerian, her romantic side is very much a part of her psyche). the t-square involves all aspects that are APPLYING too -- makes it more intense (applying aspects are being integrated, they are harder to handle/know well). plus it involves jupiter, her ruling planet (sag ascendant). she's VERYYYYY emotional/fiery. plus with moon in the 12th conjunct the cusp applying square to neptune -- she will have some problems knowing her emotions well (neptune diffuses what it touches). plus that neptune is in the 3rd house, this confusion stems from difficulties knowing what to think...knowing her mind. in a very literal sense, she *could* see her mom as a victim or find it hard to know her very well...or, see her as a very spiritual figure. (on the flip side her father will be someone she can communicate with very well and he will support her creatively and be a solid stable figure in her life.) also that moon/neptune square is connected to her nodes (NN conjunct neptune). figuring out what her moon square neptune/NN is trying to teach her will be crucial to her life path.

mars/jupiter is not just about sexual romping/freedom/exploration, but also about fighting for one's beliefs in a passionate/involved manner. religion/spirituality will be very important to her, in some manner or another...even if it's just figuring out just what she believes or wants to have faith in.

overall her tightest hard aspect involving a personal planet is that moon/square neptune conjunct the node...with moon in scorp (INTENSE) conjunct the node -- tremendous compassion is indicated here, as well as empathy/psychic ability and she will have a marked capacity to put herself in another's shoes before considering her own feelings. and again, with moon--12/neptune--3, she may not even KNOW what her own feelings are, not very easily anyway.

hope this helps.

chrissy

posted June 04, 2008 08:06 PM         

Thank you very much for taking a look.Yes, you are right about the time and everything, Thank you

To put the whole situation as simply as I can, Last week I found out about my daughters father having another little girl, and also found her mother on Myspace. The woman is a Scorpio, like me, she is extremely sexual and she owns a "catfighting website" where women fight each other in lingerie and some lingerie websites as well, where she dresses up in lingerie and charges people a monthly fee to join all of these websites that she runs.
Personally, I feel that is degrading for a woman to do that but to each his own.

As frustrated as I am about what she does for a living and the lifestyle she is leading; this is my daughters sister and I wonder if they will ever know each other and have a relationship. Her dad has chosen not to be here in her life, she has her sun in the 12th, but I'm not sure what the aspects are like you do...Just looking at their charts from astro.com- they seem to be complete opposites.

I would like to talk to this woman, but I don't know how and I don't know what kind of person she is. I mean, I am not wholesome and sinfree by any means and my hands are not clean to judge another person (granted the past few days I have not thought of her positively) but, I just don't agree with what she is doing. I don't think that is a good example for a little girl.

Anyways, I just wanted some advice on what to do..if you could tell by astrology if the two of them will ever have a relationship, if my daughter will ever have a relationship with her dad..if we will be able to act like adults and work this thing out.. and whatever you pick up intuitively looking, and if you have the time to really tell any of this Thank you so much for your time and help,

Phoenix

My daughters birthday is

July 6, 2007
7:47 am
Union City, Tennessee

posted June 05, 2008 09:44 AM         

dear phoenix,

ahhh, i see...so the chart i looked at yesterday is your daughter's half sister. glancing back at her chart just now, the sister's chart i mean, i see something i didn't go into y-day -- a grand trine between the sun in the 5th, pluto in 1st, saturn in 9th. in earth signs. the sun in one's chart (particularly the house placement & aspects) will always describe the experience of the father in some way. so the sun in the 5th here, this shows a father one enjoys spending time with (at best), or perhaps it could also indicate a very leo type experience of the the father -- the father is indulgent, boisterous, playful, more interested in recreational activities than settling down, so to speak. does that seem to ring true to you? and then the grand trine, it's a pretty tight one -- sun in 5th at 2 taurus, pluto at 1 cap/1st, saturn at 1 virgo/9th. now, i personally pay more attention to tight hard aspects especially those involving the lights..they make the most noise if that makes any sense. we always recognize our squares, conjunctions & oppositions before our sextiles and trines. however this grand trine is pretty tight, does involve the sun, and an angular house: pluto in the 1st. so, pluto touches the sun as does saturn, but in an easy way. her experience of her father is perhaps a little intimidating, authoritative (saturn/pluto). but she won't have too much trouble with this. it does indicate great creativity, she's got 2 planets in the 5th including the sun. this girl will have the most trouble with her mother...understanding her.

your daughter on the other hand interestingly has sun in the 12th making no major tight aspects to anything (wide trine to uranus, a wide inconjunct to jupiter, these aspects wont make too much noise compared to a few others i see). she won't know her father very well, im guessing. in addition, and this is one of the aspects that is noteworthy -- she has a venus/saturn conjunction in the 1st. you know actually your daughter's chart and my chart have some things in common, so i feel like i have more of a handle on this girl than the other. i have a tight venus saturn square, and your daughter's moon is exactly and i do mean exactly conjunct my sun. i mean seriously, my sun's at 28 degrees and 44 minutes pisces, i kid you not. anyhow getting back to the venus saturn conjunction -- i have the square so i can so totally get this, but it's a hard one to deal with. venus saturn women don't know their own worth, to put it bluntly. your daughter will likely be incredibly modest and not know her own worth, this can be aggraVAted by an absent father who doesn't teach the girl how to ... know her own sexuality in a manner of speaking. her own femininity is really what i mean. ill give you an example -- my dad, while loving in his own way, thought i was too cute as a kid. so, he gave me a nickname -- ug. he told me it was the japanese word for pretty, but later he confessed (when i was an adult) that he called me that because he wanted to teach me modesty. the thing is, venus saturn women dont need to be taught modesty, they already have it in spades. in fact it is the very venus saturn placement that pretty much indicates that this person craves affection, attention, but will NEVER ask for it. this is because rejection to them is anathema and well, i feel like you are pretty much spot on when you say these 2 girls are complete opposites. in this sense, they are. your daughter will have an over developed sense of modesty while the other girl will likely be extremely sexually active, expressive. they are perhaps linked this way, and if they do get to know each other, they might be able to teach other a thing or two.

the other thing that strikes me about your daughter's chart is that she has moon square pluto...just like me (hers is in mutable signs just like me too, i have moon at 27 sag square pluto at 28 virgo). this is a pretty tough placement...when the moon is connected to pluto it often feels like death is just at the doorstep, so to speak. and i mean death in the metaphorical sense really. this also indicates intense emotions, buried emotions, a powerful experience of the mother, she won't be detached from you. basically, the emotional life of a person with moon pluto is like a seabird -- the kind that delve into the water for their food for long periods, then resurface to digest what they have caught. they need just as much space as they do intensity.

at any rate, im getting too windy here...in regards to your daughter, we look to the 3rd house and its dispositor for clues on experience of the sibling(s). your daughter's 3rd ruler is venus conjunct saturn in the 1st opposite neptune/chiron in the 7th. she doesnt have any actual planets in the 3rd, but id estimate from venus conjunct saturn in 1st that her experience of her sister, if she does develop a rship with her, will be a tough one. it might play into her feelings of inadequacy as a woman -- venus saturn. her sister might be so over the top sexually, with her femininity, that it might be hard for your daughter to take. it might make her confront these things.

the girl on the other hand does have some planets in the 3rd, neptune/chiron, NN, uranus. id say she wont know her sister all that well (neptune, remember when i mentioned yday that neptune diffuses?). neptune conjunct NN with chiron thrown in to boot means she'll see her sister as a bit of a lost soul, perhaps finding it hard to understand her or get a handle on her. my sister has neptune in the 3rd house, and i think ive always been elusive to her, plus it describes me pretty well since i am a pisces sun after all. and your daughter, she has that pisces moon plus sun in the 12th (double whammy pisces there). so this placement of the girl's, neptune in 3rd, describes her sister pretty well. there might be a wound surrounding not knowing her sister, this is painful for her.

okie well i gotta jet, but hope this has been helpful. sorry for typos.

posted June 05, 2008 01:56 PM         

I have gotta learn this stuff! I have just basic knowledge, I can follow you but when you are talking about TSquare and Grand Trinds, I don't know what they mean...(i.e.)You know, like what makes a Grand Trine..

Are you self taught? I mean, did you take an online astrology course or buy an instruction book? How did you learn if you don't mind sharing because reading it blew me away because I can tell you throw an intuitive twist on reading

Yes, I could see where their dad could seem boisterous and playful, but also as you said he can come across as intimidating and authoritarian, the way he is about discipline to himself and I am sure on raising children.

What would you suggest I do about my little girls saturn/venus placement? Should I go over the top with attention and affection? Doesn't she also have saturn/venus conjunt her ascendant..or is it not an actually conjuntion because of the degrees? And if either are, what does that mean?

And NOO, you were not being too windy, I appreciate your passion in helping me understand this problem I have

I'm sorry, I didn't understand one thing and that is when you said having moon square pluto, it's like death at the doorstep in a metaphorical sense. I am sorry I didn't follow there and I wanted to know what you meant by that.

It's sad I guess that her chart indicates that her father may not be there for her, and if he is any, you are saying this means she won't understand him, right?

I just think it is amazing how my little girl and you have such simular placements! It nice to find someone who could help me understand her better and what to do to help her overcome the more difficulies that she will face, and it is also very interesting that in her sister's chart it has neptune in the 3rd, as if linking them together..pretty cool stuff

Thank you Chrissy!

Phoenix

posted June 05, 2008 03:26 PM         

you're welcome! i love astrology but have never studied it formally. i guess i have been into it for at least 10 years now, maybe more. anyway, i love sharing knowledge with folks so i'm happy to help where i can. i started checking this section of lindaland around a week ago because i was hoping for a tarot reading to help me shed some insight into a particular situation i've experienced in recent months (that's something i don't know much about, tarot), and i thought i'd check out some of the posts requesting astro readings because that's one area i can give back, so to speak. so that's how i came across yours.

t-squares and grand trines are just aspect formations, really. basically a t-square is an isosceles triangle -- it's an opposition with a planet squaring that opposition. let's take for instance a simple example...we know that a planet at 1 degree aries will oppose a planet at 1 degree libra, right? well consider if there's a planet at 1 degree cancer in the same chart...that planet squares the planet at 1 aries and the planet at 1 libra, thereby forming a triangle. i have a link below with pictures and explanations.
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/aspect-patterns.html

a grand trine is basically 3 planets around the same degree of the same element (fire, earth, water or air). it also looks like a triangle (but it is not isosceles, which means it has a right angle). ill try to make another simple example -- let's take 1 degree aries again, say a planet is there in a person's chart...then let's say they also have a planet at 1 degree leo, and another at 1 degree sagittarius. that's a grand fire trine. those 3 planets all trine each other. that link above has pretty good explanations i think, in addition to pictures so it should be easy to see.

i also have some book suggestions, these are great learning resources:

The Luminaries : The Psychology of the Sun and Moon in the Horoscope by Liz Greene

Horoscope Symbols by Robert Hand (The BEST Astrology 101)

Astrology, How & Why It Works: An Intro To Basic Astrology by Marc Edmund Jones

The Houses In Astrology by Howard Sasportas (I think I got that title right; this is the BEST books on houses in astrology!!)

Aspects In Astrology by Sue Tompkins

those should be a great stepping off point, i think.

actually, your daughter's venus/saturn conjunction doesn't conjunct the ascendant. her ascendant is at 8 leo, saturn at 22 leo and venus at 25 leo. in a sense, there is a conjunction because it's the same sign...the orb is a tad too wide to be a conjunction proper though. some astrologers do go up to 10 degrees on orb for the AC/DC axis however, just FYI.

yes, i would encourage your daughter as much as possible, and be sure to provide a safe environment for her to express herself creatively. somehow, she is going to have some struggles with this and will often be so fearful of rejection that she just keeps her mouth shut. quiet affection, gentle love, these things will help her.

saturn/venus people are the time-keepers of the universe (saturn is father time, after all). they're the watchers. if they love you, they will give you their time. they take relationship seriously, and naturally know that pursuing one's desires (venus) is a worthy part of our existence. they are also defensive (god don't i know that) and a bit protective of those they love, and they are ALWAYS watching to see if those others are worthy of the attention they pay (and they pay a lot of it). tell a venus/saturn person they look nice and they'll probably blush and say oh this old thing? i paid 50 cents for it a garage sale (i have actually uttered those words). as might be expected there are strong issues about self-valuation, especially with respect to one's beauty and in the case of women one's femininity. there are often early messages that it's wrong to be vain, that looks don't matter, and that the child is too plain to bother about it anyway (like my dad did with me). they can feel very awkward at giving and receiving affection, but it's usually those things that are the very thing they crave. for some reason, they come into this world feeling unloved, and for many it takes years for the penny to drop that the issue is really SELF valuation. saturn will always delay whatever planet it touches, and for venus saturn types it takes time for the individual to learn about giving and receiving...especially doing so with no strings attached. saturn always insists that we learn the hard way and those with venus saturn aspects often do learn about relationship at the very deepest levels. they often do BETTER after the initial attraction wears off, because they understand the work it takes to cultivate & maintain a relationship over a long period of time.

venus/saturn often refers to art & artists as well, due to this configuration's association of beauty (venus) with physical form (saturn).

now about moon/pluto -- i guess first it is best to understand the moon in terms of consciousness. it is the energetic core that we bring into this life, a basic awareness that constitutes the patterns of many lifetimes. it is an energetic sheath that represents not only what we are at essence but what we have been and known. it is an "i" consisting of many "i"s and is the sum of experience. also, during this life, it is the evolving consciousness that is beyond the "i" of the ascendant. the nodes of the moon show the most recent past and orientation and the most acute means of moving forward in this lifetime. pluto in conflict with this basic consciousness shows that this is a lifetime of extremely accelerated growth. pluto shows the ultimate aim of the consciousness as represented by the moon. with pluto square moon, periodically boundaries will be destroyed and life will have to be redefined according to new experiences, and this will never be an easy process. pluto/moon takes everything we have known, everything that causes security, happiness and comfort, and stomps over it with hobnail boots. pluto will teach her to let go, even when she's not ready to. this is hard for the moon, because the moon itself is essentially about holding on—it is made up of the past. (hence its relation to cancer.) letting go can feel like death, and the sense of loss when pluto touches the moon is all-pervasive and overwhelming. it colors the entire consciousness for the times when it is activated (when she is around the age i am now, she's going to have transiting pluto conjunct her natal moon and square her natal pluto, a transit i went through last year -- this will be a spiritually crucial time for her). at times like this, everything seems like it’s being eaten up and spit out, and furthermore, can’t be replaced. pluto/moon is always a reckoning with the past that must happen before we can move on—a psychological and emotional ‘cleaning house.’ furthermore, this purging is dictated by the soul’s needs, and can be ruthless. we may feel stripped to the bone spiritually (i did), at the end of our understanding. often, with pluto/moon, nothing makes sense. because we are stripped of our defenses (and she has plenty, just like i did -- i know, i have venus/saturn too), we are left with our mouths hanging dumbly open when pluto clears us of our previous emotional rationalization and reason.

well i went and wrote a novel, again, and im rushed for time so ill just send this, and let me know if you have any questions ok?

chrissy

posted June 11, 2008 05:31 PM         

I apologize for taking so long to respond. This Mercury retro is really touching so many people I know around me and everyone keeps finding themselves in some big mess, and I am having a problem with my thought processes too!

Thank you again for taking your time to respond and explain things to me. I learn better when I sit write things down in front of me or when I have someone sit down with me, So I am still a little confused on the trines amd t-squares... thank you for all of the book suggestions. I am definatly going to check them out!

One of the girls I know, I just did her chart for her a few days ago because she is having a major crisis in her life and I discovered that she had a venus/saturn conjunction. It was so odd because as a 31 year old woman, I can see that she is struggling with knowing what she is worth. Not to go into details, but her husband wanted a divorce and more or less kicked her out with no car,and he is keeping their three girls right now. I can see for myself that she is struggling with herself like any woman would, but at the same time I can sense strength in her, she is just not using it, and it's like she will not stand up for herself and nothing I or anyone has said to her is making a difference! But anyways, I guess seeing an older woman with this placement, I want to do everything that I possibly can to help my little girl so she does not struggle so badly when she gets of age.

Sometimes I wonder why things happen the way they do, why it feels like fate has much to do with what happens in our lives, but then just leaves us with no answer of knowing "why"? I know much of my daughters chart is introspective, shy and gentle - not vivacious or outgoing, I just want her to have that will that I have had so I know she will be ok if something ever happened to me. Oh, sorry I know I am going a little off right now, this MeRx has my thinking a little cloudy. I was able to get alot of research done at the beginning, but now I am kindof all over the place!

In a positive light, what do you feel these harder placements have taught you? Do you feel they have made you stronger? How did you feel as a younge girl, what did you struggle with the most?