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posted November 14, 2008 06:31 AM         

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Could someone please tell me why my relationship with this girl has gone horribly wrong. We're close relatives and always got on really well and would have a great laugh together when in each others company. We both had some stressfull times recently because of something she had done and now we hardly talk and when we do I mistrust her. I personally feel that she's being fake now whenever we reconcile our differences.
Are my concerns real or do our charts show some genuine sincerity towards each other?

Me. DOB 17.09.72, london, Male
Her DOB 01.03.84, london

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posted November 18, 2008 12:29 PM         

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Second time I've posted something here with no reply. What aspect of your natal chart gets you a reply, LOL!!!!!

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posted November 18, 2008 01:17 PM         

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Usually it helps if you post the chart, otherwise somebody has to do them themselves, and without times, it's a bit difficult to do them anyways.

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posted November 20, 2008 12:15 PM         

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Sorry. Got this from Astro.com. Hope someone can translate the aspects between our planets. Thanks.

HER DOB 1.03.1984/ 10.30 am London
Sun in Pisces
Moon in Aquarius
Mercury in Pisces
Venus in Aquarius
Mars in Scorpio
Jupiter in Capricorn
Saturn in Scorpio
Uranus in Sagittarius
Neptune in Capricorn
Pluto in Scorpio
True Node Gemini
Chiron Taurus

Myself DOB.17.09.72 / 06.45am, London
Sun in Virgo
Moon in Capricorn
Mercury in Virgo
Venus in Leo
Mars in Virgo
Jupiter in Sagittarius
Saturn in Gemini
Uranus in Libra
Neptune in sagittarius
Pluto in Libra
True node Capricorn
Chiron Aries

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posted November 20, 2008 12:45 PM         

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Quickly, I would say she may take some things you say very personally or find you to be too nitpicky or judgmental about certain things. Her emotional nature is probably a lot less regimented than yours, and she may feel some things about you are suffocating or rigid. Those are just some thoughts about your Merc/Moon aspects.

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posted November 22, 2008 01:24 PM         

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Hi! I'll get back to you later today after I check your charts! Really shouldn't take long!

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posted November 22, 2008 06:01 PM         

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Hi Jack, I've got your charts in front of me. It was a challenge because if I knew your relationship or what she did, then it narrows the field of where to look in the charts. So what I did instead was to compare the charts, then looked at what was currently going on in yours and if anything possibly related was going on in hers. I'm not very computer savy so I may have to write this in a few replies, since I haven't figured out how to set the tabs here to give me enough space to write everything.
The charts compare well in general.What catches my eye is that of the few negetive aspect in your charts the tension stems from you and mostly to her ascendant. For example your saturn which conjuncts your midheaven falls directly on her ascendant. This means
she probably feels you act fatherly and slow her down to be cautious, or that you restrict her somehow. Since your mars, sun and mercury also agitate saturn by a square aspect, she may feel that you push her or are a bit bossy, perhaps critical of her (your sun,mars,mercury are in virgo/your saturn in gemini)Maybe you think you are helping her to improve, virgos love to focus in on petty deatails then organize and improve things. If this is the case her ascendent, which represents her physical self, and her being in general are triggering your fears and worries. Put another way--she has a way of expressing herself that you are uncomfortable with be cause it represents your fears.
I have to go cook dinner now, there is more I want to say about what has been currently going on in your life. Your home life is changing. More later. Gotta go. Bye

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posted November 24, 2008 09:41 AM         

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without birthtime ..
current transits .. in close orb ..

.. 1st March 1984 ..
t.Neptune square natal Mars
t.Chiron square natal Saturn

.. 17th Sept. 1972 ..
t.Saturn conjoining natal Mars and natal Mercury .. and squaring natal Saturn
t.Jupiter trine natal Mars
t.Pluto conjunct natal Jupiter
t.Chiron sextile natal Chiron .. trine natal Uranus
t.Lillith square natal Sun

info on various transits to the natal chart ..
~ http://www.cafeastrology.com/predictiveastrology.html ~

.. retro/direct dates ..
~ http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/006052.html ~
.. basic info re: transits ..
~ http://www.happydragon.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/jkbx/trns.mech.html ~
~ http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/017112.html ~
.. info re: Chiron ..
~ http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_wounding_e.htm ~
~ http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/018404.html ~

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posted November 25, 2008 06:41 AM         

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Thanks Goodgirl.

A lot of what you have said does make sense to me. My relationship with her is brother in law. We were one time very close. Her father has passed away some time ago and since then I've always been there for her.But I've been doing this for quite some time and she has never had a problem with this. But recently she caused major rifts between our family and was actually caught out several times telling lies just to cause arguments for a reason which I would not like to discuss here.
even though i know its her doing which has caused all arguments I don't want to give up on her. But my problem is I think she is being fake when we make up because theres still something that missing there. I can't be bothered with her if these games of hers don't stop. So I was curious, am I paranoid, or has she got a subversive side to her which is indeed destroying the harmony our family had.

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posted November 28, 2008 11:56 AM         

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Hi Jack Sparrow. Yeah she has quite a problem with being sneaky and frankly she can be quite vengeful. She has mars conjunct saturn in scorpio. This causes resentment and malice. I would think it is usually directed toward women, as these planets are square to venus and the moon. But the moon represents family so this can cause family problems. Probably because she's a gemini rising,moon in an air sign, that this works its way into verbal outlets.
Anyway no, your not paranoid. She probably isn't one to forgive and forget. To get a better idea on the type of anger and how it behaves read up on scorpio (her mars). It will also describe her fears (her saturn). Much of how she gets angry is because she has a chip on her shoulder from a feeling of being unloved (venus square saturn) and anger towards her mother (mars square moon).
But as far as you are concerned I see a connection, but more of an attraction. The worst aspect between the charts is from your chart directed to her.

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posted November 28, 2008 12:47 PM         

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I had to leave before I could finish my thought. I meant there is an attraction between the charts. And if I had no idea of what was going on between your charts ,I would think there is more attraction, than discord between you two.

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posted November 28, 2008 12:48 PM         

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I had to leave before I could finish my thought. I meant there is an attraction between the charts. And if I had no idea of what was going on between your charts ,I would think there is more attraction, than discord between you two.

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posted November 28, 2008 12:48 PM         

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I had to leave before I could finish my thought. I meant there is an attraction between the charts. And if I had no idea of what was going on between your charts ,I would think there is more attraction, than discord between you two.

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posted November 30, 2008 03:38 PM         

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Thanks Good Girl. Hmmm? I do love her, not physical but in a caring way and as i've said before we got on great before and its sad that things are not as they use to be. I found something out about her and I think I'm paying the price for uncovering her secret. Basically, she has driven a wedge between my wife, mother in law, everybody. I just feel she is so slippery and sneaky and she has made herself out to be the victim when in fact I'm the one who is worse off. Wish I could say more but don't want to. This attraction thing, is this me or do you mean her? I've picked up on a few things in the past but I thought that might be my Venus in Leo playing tricks on my mind. Really appreciate your input. I hope you can shed more light. Is she causing problems between me and wife because of jelousy because I'm married to her sister?

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posted November 30, 2008 08:02 PM         

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Hi Jack sparrow. I would say yes she is jealous, of her sister. Since you specified your wife is her sister I can look to her 3rd house which has cancer on the cusp, the ruler then being the moon which is negatively aspected (by square) by mar/saturn. That's bad enough because of the frustration/anger, but it is in scorpio- adding feelings like jealousy and resentment, passionate feelings.
Now I don't know if I would say if it was because of you, but your definitely mixed in there somewhere because you are represented by the saturn.
Yes I think the attraction/affection is both ways. The house that represents her sister's husband (9th) has venus in it and its ruler Saturn is square venus and conjunct mars. To what degree is the attraction is more difficult for me to say because of the mars/saturn causing frustration of feelings. Question is it frustrating because they're not expressed? Or does she love you but find the whole relationship frustrating?
The problem for me is that in her chart you are represented by Capricorn/saturn.So she experiences you as older, more reserved, more serious, perhaps even restricting or limiting, etc.
The thing is, even if I take you out of the equation, the planets and how they're involved when I look at how/what she loves and how/what she finds sexually attractive are the same as how she experiences you.
Said another way; she is attracted to older, stable or mature guys. Even frustrating feelings, turmoil, and the "drama" of what is going on between the two of you is part of what she looks for/experiences in romantic/sexual relationships.
There did I muddy those waters?! You neatly fit into what she experiences in romantic/sexual relationships.
About problems with your wife. In May 2009 uranus enters your marriage house(7th)This indicates a strong erg for freedom. This overlaps a time when saturn is in the 1st. The desire for breaking out of the box comes from you, not your wife. (Because uranus at birth was in the 1st.)
If your marriage is solid you can weather the up coming storm. If it isn't this is one of the indicators of divorce.
(I am currently going thru the same uranus thru 7th, that was in my 1st at birth. Let me tell you. When it comes along you begin to act out rebelliously all the while thinking 'what is happening to me' You might not think you will, but I'm giving you a 'heads up' it will.)
But it will be you disrupting the norm of the relationship, not your wife.
Any questions, just ask-bye.

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