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Antiquarianbookcollector
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posted July 04, 2009 04:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiquarianbookcollector     Edit/Delete Message
I am at an impasse with a guy so I was wondering if you could analyze our synastry - romantic, karmic, etc. I didn't know what kind of chart to post so here is our birth info:

Thank you so much!

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posted July 04, 2009 07:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bopbop     Edit/Delete Message
Is his birth time actually noon or do you not have the time?

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posted July 04, 2009 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for bopbop     Edit/Delete Message
Based on the info, here is a synastry chart (including Part of Fortune, Eros, and Psyche) for convenience.

What jumps out at me is your Moon conjunct his Uranus and his Venus conjunct your Neptune.... together with nearly unaspected Saturns (though that trine looks promising). On a superficial level, this looks to me like he sees you as wonderful and perfect, and swept you off your feet in the emotional excitement... and then a sudden realization that you are not a perfect person causes him to start acting strange and unpredictable towards you, hurting your feelings. But like I said that is just first-thought on my part. You might want to check the condition of these planets in your natals, though... cos they are strong aspects.

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Lucia23
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posted July 04, 2009 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Please bear in mind that you can tell very little without an accurate birthtime--the more I look at synastry, the more amazed I am at how being even a few minutes wrong can make such a huge difference. Without a birth time for him, I can't really tell the effect you would have on him...even with slow planets, to me it would make a huge difference if your Chiron-Saturn conjunction fell in his 5th house versus his 9th.

To me, this looks like a very painful relationship...your Venus conjunct his Neptune would cause you to have a clouded, fantasized view of him (the fantasy would not necc. be that he's an ideal--you'd just have trouble seeing the real him behind some idea of him.) To top it off, YOUR Neptune is opposite his Sun and Venus and conjunct his Moon and Jupiter. (If this Ascendent were right, it would also be conjunct his IC)--that's a whole lot of fantasy and clouded vision and PROJECTION.

Then there's your Chiron conjunct his Saturn, opposite his Neptune. I would think that this would make the relationship tap into learning some deep lessons about the ways you work with emotional pain--your pain/tenderness could end up being met by his distance/disapproval/coldness with that Saturn, and then with the Neptune opposition, he could end up being confusing, too.

Even if you managed to get closer, I worry that without stronger binding aspects (but remember, that might be different with a real birth time), this relationship would end up being about fantasy or projection.

Sorry to be discouraging! I just can't see enough balance or glue here--the Neptune goggles are what leap out at me!

But some people see Neptune-Venus as very romantic and enchanted! So please don't take mine as the only possible interpretation of that.

It looks like he has a natal Venus-Pluto square, which could make him very sexy, but could also cause frustration in how he expresses his sexuality. Natally, you've got an intense 1st house Sun-Pluto conjunction and Mars right on your IC...you know what you want.

Neither of you look to have very Neptune-addled natals, so there's just something about this relationship. "What exactly is this?" is right...to me, it looks like this is Neptune.

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Lucia23
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posted July 04, 2009 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
double post.

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Antiquarianbookcollector
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posted July 04, 2009 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiquarianbookcollector     Edit/Delete Message
Lucia to the rescue again! Thanks but sorry, not to be daft, but what is this Neptune something? I shouldn't persue this?

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posted July 04, 2009 11:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Well, I would say never to let a synastry reading stop you from pursuing an attraction.

I'm just thinking from the synastry that this connection you feel might not go anywhere. You may be projecting the idea of a connection onto a person you don't have a real connection with. Ironically, turning to synastry readings to figure it all out, instead of just exploring it in real life, is a sign of tricky Venus/Neptune issues.

But, try to find out what's between you in real life if it feels important to you.

My advice would be either:
-drop it, if possible OR
-pursue a relationship with him in real life, but stop obsessing/analyzing/interpreting...when you're not with him, focus on other things (friends/studies/intellectual interests)...when you ARE with him, be openhearted and get to know him

The one thing not to do with all this Neptune is exactly what you are doing...turning to others for guidance instead of living out the experience or trusting your intuition.

But I'm going to butt out now and give others a chance to respond to your thread!

People with Pluto stuff happening in our natal charts are especially vulnerable to using astrology to obsess. We blow all that energy that we could be spending in real human connections and interactions. So I'm going to try to take my own advice.

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posted July 04, 2009 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiquarianbookcollector     Edit/Delete Message
Re: "You may be projecting the idea of a connection onto a person you don't have a real connection with."

Cor, now I really feel like an idiot! Thanks for your input and reality check Lucia!

So I guess the bigger question to ask - is there any romantic connection at all?

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posted July 05, 2009 11:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
quote:
is there any romantic connection at all?

The only way to find out is by exploring the actual relationship, in person, with each other.

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posted July 05, 2009 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiquarianbookcollector     Edit/Delete Message
Re: "I just can't see enough balance or glue here..."

I guess that was what I was referring to.

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posted July 05, 2009 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiquarianbookcollector     Edit/Delete Message
Thanks for all the input... though more advice and insight would be much appreciated.

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posted July 06, 2009 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiquarianbookcollector     Edit/Delete Message
Please any more insight and advice on whatever is going on would be most appreciated.

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Lucia23
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posted July 06, 2009 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
I hope someone else will weigh in with an opinion! And I wish you luck. I feel like I'm all over your threads, sorry.

Anyone?

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posted July 10, 2009 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiquarianbookcollector     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you for all the good interpretations and advice so far but I need help to figure out what kind of connection this is or whether this would be anything. I need to resolve this somehow because I cannot let go. Please help and thanks!

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posted July 10, 2009 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
In Chinese Astrology, you should be compatible since you're 12 years apart in age.

However, being someone born in 1972, and having once dated someone 9 years my junior, I can tell you that that amount of age difference is significant, and may be difficult to overcome.

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posted July 11, 2009 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
You have north nodes in trine. Which i think is a very good thing.

Also his saturn trine your asc and sextile your dsc. I think this is positive in the sense of your personality and his responsability goes hand in hand. But may be it could be interpreted differently. Im no expert.

Is his time of birth accurate? To know about his asc?

Also your eros jupiter and/or mars in cap oppose his mars/venus midpoint. I dont know how Precisely because i
dont know the degrees of those planets. But this could account for the attraction.
also your mars venus midpoint opposes his venus.

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posted July 11, 2009 09:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiquarianbookcollector     Edit/Delete Message
Why is the north node trine a good thing?

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posted July 11, 2009 10:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarrofVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message
Anti,

An accurate birth time for him would help us tremendously. It opens a whole new world in synastry. Is there any way at all you can finagle that info? Social engineering? Are you still in touch? I am very sneaky with it sometimes. Questions like:

"You are such a night owl! You must have been born at night you creature of darkness LOL. At the stroke of midnight or something..."

That can get a person to respond with "No, I actually I was born in the day at XX:XX."

-OR-

"My mom is such a flake (lie). She doesn't even know what time I was born. What kind of mom doesn't know that lol?"

Which yields...

"Wow. My mom loves to talk about my birth story. I was born at XX:XX in XXXX, XX"

Taaaa Daaaaa. LOL.

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Antiquarianbookcollector
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posted July 11, 2009 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiquarianbookcollector     Edit/Delete Message
I don't really see him now. Whenever we do he just stops in his tracks and just looks at me. Most of the time I just kind of freak out because who does that and walk away. Occasionally I saw "Hi" but then his eyes just widens and he blushes so I'm just working on the talking to each other bit now. Sorry guys...

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posted July 12, 2009 01:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarrofVenusGirl     Edit/Delete Message
That's ok babe, we're still getting good info from the chart.

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posted July 12, 2009 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
nort node are meant to be where we are heading at, or what we need to become to be truly očurselves so trine between 2 person north node means their path are along the same roads.

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Lucia23
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posted July 12, 2009 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Here's an interesting article by Denise on Nodes in synastry...
http://redrockastrology.com/articles/nodesinsynastry.html

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posted July 12, 2009 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Antiquarianbookcollector     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Lucia! How are you?

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Lucia23
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posted July 12, 2009 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lucia23     Edit/Delete Message
Hi! I'm looking forward to reading some more spins on this synastry...

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todd
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posted July 16, 2009 04:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for todd     Edit/Delete Message
the composite chart shows a moon square to the venus/neptune conjunction.this shows a idealistic and sensual attraction.it shows great sensitivity and creativity.but it also shows a very complicated emotionally life.it can lead to self delusion as well as idealism.
with th emoon/sun midpoint square to the venus/mars midpoint, the physical/emotional chemistry is electric.clearly a love at first sight feeling here.
with the mercury/urnasu midpoint conjunct jupiter,your conversation are very learned and both of you are quite intelligent and have great scope to your knowledge.
with the venus/uranus midpoint conjunct mercury not only to you have erudite conversations but you also often fall into laughter and teasing.but with the saturn/sun midpoint also conjuct mercury, there is a odd bipolar quality here.sometimes in the midst of gaiety unexpected silence moods can appear.There can make for a seemingly constant questioning the relationship.
the jupiter conjunct venus is a excellent relationship aspect as it can show both love and commitment. it shows that you make each other happy just by your presence and inclines you two to socialize and party .
with the moon/venus ,sun/uranus and uranus/jupiter midpoints all conjunct, there couldbe a soulmate feeling as there is so much spontaneous affect.a strong psychic connectio is also provided by the uranus/mercury conjunct jupiter.
with mars square to the sun and many of the midpoints especially the jupiter/uranus midpoint, there is a stron need for independence in the relationship.this square can be a factor of instabilty,as there is alway a feeling that personal freedom may be sacrificed .
the mars/sin midpoint is conjunct neptune and square the moon.this adds more physical amd emotional atrraction but it also can so that infidelity may be a problem and can show insincerity or misrepresentation.
with the mars/chiron midpointsquare to venus, thereis a bit of a edge to the relationship.like subtle comments that sometimes don't let you feel secure that this is a serious relationship.

but very intense love for sure.

todd

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