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Ami Ann
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posted December 29, 2009 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
My son was born on Sept 16 1986 in Orlando FL. He died on Jan 17 2007 by a gun shot in the head.
I am a new astrology student and can see some things but it is so slow to make sense of charts
Please be honest. I can handle the truth.
Thank you for any help.

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eskimono
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posted December 29, 2009 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for eskimono     Edit/Delete Message
I am so so sorry for your loss. I can't imagine what you are going through.

I can't help with charts and things, but I am sure there is someone on here that can.

I am new to this site, but can already see that there is a wealth mutual support here that can only help you.

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Ami Ann
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posted December 29, 2009 08:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you (((Eskimo)))

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LuvinU
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posted December 30, 2009 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuvinU     Edit/Delete Message
Ami Ann,
My condolensces.

If you can give me some time, I'll see if anything comes through.

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Ami Ann
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posted December 30, 2009 08:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Thank You (((Luvin You)))

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lalalinda
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posted December 30, 2009 10:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
I'm so very sorry Ami Ann.

It would help a great deal if you could add his time of birth and tell us if he passed while living in Orlando.

oh and
Welcome to Lindaland

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Ami Ann
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posted December 31, 2009 04:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Lalalinda

His birth time is Sept 16 1986 at 5:40 PM in Melbourne Fl. His death was Jan 17 2007 at about 8 :45 in Deland Fl.
I was really close to him.We were very bonded and hardly ever fought.We seemed to have an easy relationship.He had a hard relationship with his father who is very narcissitic.
However ,when I look at his chart I see how the mother seemed to hurt him. I am so new to astrology that I really can't see the whole picture.
I thank you ,in advance ,for your insights.
Please don't sugar coat it.

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Ami Ann
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posted December 31, 2009 05:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
It was 8:45 PM in Deland Fl.

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lalalinda
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posted January 01, 2010 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
Good Morning Ami Ann
Here's his chart
(with transits and progressions)


http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?cid=60qfile0WkkbO-u1262369176&lang=e&gm=a1&nhor=1&nho2=1&btyp=245&mth=gw&sday=17&smon=1&syr=2007&hsy=-1&zod=&orbp=&rs=1&add=20&add=22&pfday=-YP+1


I looked at his relationship with you and I see a lot of supportive aspects coming from the Moon and Venus.
His Moon conjunct Jupiter (still within orb)shows he was the apple of your eye .
The aspects to his Sun and Mars (which shows his father)
were tougher, square Uranus, Neptune, Chiron and Lilith.

Did he have image issues?
Maybe living up to others expectations or coming to terms with who he was?

He had three Trans-Neptunian planets on his angles when he passed

N. Uranus (chart ruler) conjunct Progressed MC
opposite N Chiron and Lilith

Transiting Saturn conjunct the Desc.

Transiting Neptune was within a degree on his Ascendant (in the 12th house)
his Progressed Moon was critical (anaretic) at 29*21' Scorpio
(and approaching his N Saturn at 4 sag)
he's where I see image and/or substance issues)

Very important in this equation is the Progressed Mars (gun)
it was transiting his Natal 12th house
and was anaretic or fated at 29* Capricorn.

I was surprised not to see anything on his Nadir
as this signifies the end of life.
His 8th house is anaretic at 29 Virgo
with natal Mercury (ruler of the 8th house)
posited within.

Ami Ann, suicide will also be seen in his parents charts because it effects us so deeply,
what did yours (and his Fathers) chart look like when this happened?

all of the "anaretic" planets or points are critical or "fated"

I wish you strength and happiness in this New Year
and know in your heart that you have the love and support of your Lindaland family.

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Ami Ann
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posted January 02, 2010 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you Lalalinda

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Ami Ann
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posted January 02, 2010 09:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
I want to ask an "immature " question? Was his suicide fated in the same way Kennedy's assasination was? IOW, all the astrologers tried to warn Kennedy of the obvious 8th house issues. So,an astrologer was not "surprised" by it. Would you, as an astrologer, feel the same way about my son?
Thank you (((lalalinda))))

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Ami Ann
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posted January 02, 2010 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
I just saw the apple of the eye part.Thank you. He was a wonderful kid,4.0 pre-med student, on the Football team,a leader in his fraternity in college. I know these don't matter at all in what is important in life but he was such a loved person.

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Ami Ann
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posted January 02, 2010 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
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Ami Ann
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posted January 02, 2010 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
His father pushed him to achieve, achieve and somewhere along the way he lost himself and never could get it again.
He could not come out of the clouds of his Fathers' push for HIM to be FOR his father and not for himself.

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lalalinda
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posted January 03, 2010 05:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Ami Ann,

I believe in fate and free will,
but I also believe that life is predestined.

Ami Ann's Chart

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=1&adl=20%2C22&gm=a1&sday=17&btyp=245&syr=2007&pfday=-YP+1&zod=&lang=e&orbp=&mth=gw&cid=60qfile0WkkbO-u1262369176&hsy=-1&smon=1&nhor=2&go.x=20& go.y=4

Father's Chart

http://www.astro.com/cgi/chart.cgi?rs=1&adl=20%2C22&gm=a1&btyp=245&sday=17&syr=2007&go.x=20&lang=e&zod=&pfday=-YP+1&go.y=4&orbp=&mth=gw&cid=60qfile0WkkbO-u1262369176&hsy=-1&smon=1& nhor=3&go.x=19&go.y=5

As I suspected, Pluto was involved.
In your chart
Transiting Saturn was conjunct your Natal Pluto as well as
Transiting Pluto opposite your Natal Sun
and conjunct the Nadir.

Your Progressed Moon (which "times" an event) was transiting your 8th house showing this Karmic Event.

I'm so sorry Ami Ann
I see how devastating this is and
how strong you've been.

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LuvinU
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posted January 06, 2010 04:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LuvinU     Edit/Delete Message
AmiAnn,
I want to ask if your son had an addiction - I want to narrow the addiction down to either sniffing or huffing but I'm not 100% sure what it was. I see some addiction in this chart. It looks like he kept it underwraps but his usage was becoming/would have become more apparent at the time of his death.

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Ami Ann
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posted January 06, 2010 08:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you (((Lalalinda))))
So, in your opinion, it was fated? In know it is hard to say "Yes" but that seems to be what you are saying.Right?

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Ami Ann
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posted January 06, 2010 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Thank you (((Luvin You)))
He did not have addictions to drugs or alcohol. A girl broke his heart. She used him when her b/f went abroad. Maybe, he had an addiction to her.
He was a 4.0 pre med student who volunteered every weekend tutoring inner city kids in math, working at the soup kitchens and doing Habitat for Humanity.
At his funeral, people were lined up to the street cuz he was very loved.
I believe he is with God and I will see him again. That is what makes it possible for me to still hope.
xxxoo Ami

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posted January 07, 2010 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GypseeWind     Edit/Delete Message
Ami Ann;

I am SO SORRY you had to endure this. I have no words to say to even come close to understanding your pain. I think you are one strong woman to live through this, and I know you will see your son again. I wish you love and peace for the rest of your days. I really do.

I lost a son to stillbirth. This is nowhere near the same as loving, and raising, and knowing one his whole life. I dream of my son, and I have seen him as he ages, my daughter dreams of him too, and she did not know she had an older brother. The dreams were so persistant, I finally had to tell her I was married before her father and did have a baby. I wonder do you dream of yours? Does he communicate with you in symbols or in any ways?

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Ami Ann
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posted January 07, 2010 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Gypsee
I am blessed with wonderful people who come in to my life. My guitar teacher is a medium. I did not know this for almost a year. One day ,he told me that my son strummed the guitar while I was in the other room. My son loved music.
Another time, he saw the door latch go down and the door open.
He told me that he will help me to contact my son . I am waiting for that time.
Other times,when I have felt very close to God, I feel my son's presence.
The hardest thing was that *I* should have been able to keep him safe and I didn't. Suicide adds the element of HOW could I have made it turn out differently.
My relationship with God is tight cuz of it, though.
I am so sorry for your loss,Gypsee.

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posted January 08, 2010 05:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pire     Edit/Delete Message
your son is with god now, nothing much to fear for him. and whatever he will miss in this life he will have in another. don't worry for him now.

much love to you.

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Ami Ann
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posted January 08, 2010 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Yes, Pire. He is in the next, better world and when I go his hand will take me in. Thanks for your post!

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Ami Ann
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posted January 08, 2010 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Ann     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Lalalinda
I am studying the charts you put on. I have never done or am familar with progressed charts but I can see how close the orbs are with the big planets--Saturn, Neptune ,Mars and Pluto.

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starkiss1
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posted January 24, 2010 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for starkiss1     Edit/Delete Message
Dear Ami Ann, my heart goes out to you. When I was a student, my teacher's( who was like my mum to me) 15 year old son hanged himself because of his father( her husband she was married to at that time). The boy was pleading with her to leave him. She did, but after his death. I do believe in fate, she had a chance to save him, but it did not happen. It was meant to be, the boy had to go. I believe in time too. Take care, thinking of you,

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posted January 24, 2010 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LEXX     Edit/Delete Message
Ami Ann
I sympathize.
I cannot offer much more than that because my philosophies would be in conflict with most thoughts on this.
One of many reasons is that I have seen reincarnation at work. Other reasons may offend, so enough for now.
However, I do feel he was very depressed about the girl and was a very private person.
I feel he tried too hard to please everyone.
That is too much of a burden for any soul to carry.
I had a friend who left physical life for the same reasons.

PS.
I lost 26 pregnancies, some far along.
Not the same as losing a child you have gotten to know, but still emotionally devastating.


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