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FireBird
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posted June 20, 2011 05:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ami,

I've seen the way you interpret other people's charts, especially DepTaurus (he has the same asc as my love interest, just off by a couple of degrees), and I'd really like to have your input on my chart.

The reason why I'm asking for a reading is I have a huge issue with others deceiving me, and I have an insane fear of control. Anytime I'm infatuated or in love with a guy, they have this thing of building me up, thinking that the feeling is mutual, and then out of nowhere...they say I don't know what you're talking about. I also have this issue with my mom. She sometimes says things, and when I confront her about it, she's like, you didn't know I was joking? Or if I complain about a behavior I don't like, she dismisses it as if I was joking or she doesn't want to admit it to herself.

So my point is- is there something in my chart I don't know of that screams deceive me, are there things in my chart energies I need to resolve to prevent deception? I really want to get this out of my system once and for all. Moreover, I have no clue about asteroids, while you seem to have a good grasp and a great way of explaining them to people.

Let me know if you have the time to comment on my chart, and I'll post it up accordingly. Thanks a lot and have a great day!

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Ami Anne
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posted June 20, 2011 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It would be my pleasure FireBird
Please put your chart up, Sweetie!

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
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You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
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Ami Anne
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posted June 20, 2011 07:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I was reading over your post.I think Pluto is in hard aspect with things,perhaps the ASC or moon.
Also, you would have some asteroids too that would make you unsettled and suspicious or some asteroid placements.
Intensity/suspicion is usually Pluto/Scorpio.
We shall see.I look forward to it

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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FireBird
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posted June 20, 2011 07:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee371/FireBird9/astro_2gw_03_anonymous8426517182.jpg

Let's hope this works!

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FireBird
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posted June 20, 2011 07:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks a lot Ami!!!

Let me know if you can see the link.

The only major hard aspect to Pluto is Jupiter. Other than that, I don't have issues with Pluto per se- at least not with the aspects that I see.

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FireBird
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posted June 21, 2011 05:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ami,

Are you able to see the link?

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Ami Anne
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posted June 21, 2011 05:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yup Firebird
We are in business unless it expires lol

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Ami Anne
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posted June 21, 2011 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok You have it in a Photo bucket
We are good to go Baby!
I will do it little by little
You come back and forth and comment.
If I don't return AFTER you answer--please bump it Darling!

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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FireBird
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posted June 21, 2011 08:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Will do!!!

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Ami Anne
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posted June 22, 2011 05:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
YOU are on my radar for tomorrow

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
You must lose your life for My sake in order to find it .
Jesus

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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Ami Anne
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posted June 22, 2011 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
OK Fire Bird Sweetie
I am gonna throw some things out their for your perusal

You have one Air planet.Do you crave Air in other people and in yourself?
Do you wish you could express yourself better? Do you have that longing inside?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
Song of Solomen

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Ami Anne
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posted June 22, 2011 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your ASC is Pisces and your Sun is Virgo.These square.
This can feel like you have a distinct outer person from your inner person.
Is that your sense?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
Song of Solomen

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
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Ami Anne
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posted June 22, 2011 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your mercury in Virgo squares your Dejaneia in Gemini.
This may make your feeling of being a victim(which we all have somewhere in our chart) and your mind at odds.
I am trying to think how this could play out.
Do you feel your mind fights the part of you that wants to be weak and give up.
Do you struggle against this part of you as a kind of ongoing thing?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
Song of Solomen

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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Ami Anne
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posted June 22, 2011 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon in Leo square Saturn
Do you feel that your emotions are not as accessible as you would like ,that they are kind of squished down and it is hard for you to give them credence ?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
Song of Solomen

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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Ami Anne
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posted June 22, 2011 12:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your Lilith conjuncts your NN.This is interesting.Lilith is raw sexuality, the passions unbridled.
Your path in life involves getting in touch with these energies.
It does not mean you have to be wild lol
You just have to face the wild part of you

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
Song of Solomen

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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posted June 22, 2011 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have Vesta conjunct Saturn.I will read up on Vesta and get back

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
Song of Solomen

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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posted June 22, 2011 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vesta’s primary energy is devotion. As with all astrological factors, this can be for good or ill; it can serve the greater good or not. She has, however, strong leanings toward service, and a true steadfast quality. She is the one willing to work around the clock for years. Generally, any difficult or long-term task will benefit from Vesta.


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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
Song of Solomen

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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posted June 22, 2011 12:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What you will read in most astrology texts is that Vesta is about the sublimation of creative or sexual energy into work, and work as a substitute for relationship. But this delineation, while often true, is what I would call off-center. It’s not the core of the matter. The core of the matter is the core flame, the hot coals of the goddess burning within us that need constant tending. We do, however, have a cultural issue: in many cultures, work is the most appropriate expression of Vesta energy because nearly every other channel has been closed off, deemed inappropriate or is fraught with complexity.


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posted June 22, 2011 12:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Shadow expressions of Vesta include using another person for sexual pleasure in a way that hurts them, or sexually abusing someone. Often the multiple lifetime energy pattern of Vesta or the 8th house gives others the idea that this person is available, even if they are entirely inappropriate, immature, or are not in a position to say no, or for that matter, to say yes. So where Vesta is alive, the spirit of consent and mutual agreement is essential


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posted June 22, 2011 12:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The Third Way is the conscious expression of sexual energy in the service of another person; as an act of healing, or of growth, or of devotion to something larger. There is “another purpose” involved, one that is transmitted directly through the experience. Perhaps the most commonly seen form of Vestal energy is allowing oneself to be used as a childbearing vessel for another person. It is not the energy of “let’s have children” but rather of “I will give you a child.” It may be expressed by a man as the gift of his seed to a woman who has no other appropriate source, as an act of service


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posted June 22, 2011 12:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vestal energy can also take the form of the intentional gift of pleasure, often for the purpose of healing. There may or may not be a fee involved; the issue is the intention. Is the intention to make the fee? That is not Vesta. Is the intention to share oneself, for the good of another? That is Vesta. This quality can manifest in both close personal relationships, where we have just about all felt it at one time or another; or in less personal relationships, where we are able to share ourselves, and do. Often this falls outside a specifically “romantic” context; the reason being that Vesta is not particularly concerned with herself, but rather with the person whom she is serving, and the greater service to the Goddess


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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
Song of Solomen

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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posted June 22, 2011 12:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
n “real life” Vesta and her related themes are difficult to speak about, and are for the most part not publicly acknowledged (though Madonna has done a good job of it, at various times). Indeed, Vesta goes against the grain of all our outer relationship conditioning and points us to an entirely different sexual and relational dimension. Vesta may be the most controversial form the Goddess takes, though the most practical, and the least spoken of. What we experience more than anything in our culture are the shadow sides of Vesta, which include the accumulation of toxic shame, sexual rage and frustration, and their results — sexual abuse, people using one another for sex without direct consent, unintended pregnancies, and their often very difficult results: particularly abortion and the circumstances that typically surround adoption

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
Song of Solomen

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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posted June 22, 2011 12:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I put some Vesta info here as I was trying to understand it for you.
It is the holder or energy or sacred space.I think this means that it is selfless service,in a word,whatever that service may be.
Read it and tell me what you think,if you want.

For you,it conjuncts Saturn so it would be watered down or hard to access.
I would say that it is hard for you to give yourself OVER to another.It is hard to give selfless service without really feeling you want something back.Does that fit at all?

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
Song of Solomen

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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posted June 22, 2011 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just to say that we all struggle with the various energies which IQ said are not good or bad just things which we need to try to deal with and hopefully transform make the best of what we have been given.

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Enlightenment doesn't result from sitting around visualizing images of light, but from integrating the darker aspects of the self into the conscious personality
Jung
I am my Beloved's.My Beloved is mine.
Song of Solomen

He who controls his Spirit is greater than he who controls a city
Proverbs

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posted June 22, 2011 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireBird     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"You have one Air planet.Do you crave Air in other people and in yourself?
Do you wish you could express yourself better? Do you have that longing inside?"

Very much indeed! All the guys I was shallowly attracted to had to have at least one personal air planet- without FAIL!!!

And yes, I do feel inadequate in expressing myself. I always find others so much better at writing and articulating themselves. You could say I might have an inferiority complex in expression :/

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