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frankie2912
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posted September 15, 2011 12:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for frankie2912     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Basically my question was, "Will ***** and I have a sexual relationship?"

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posted September 15, 2011 02:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for frankie2912     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 16, 2011 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for frankie2912     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted September 16, 2011 06:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm absolutely no good at them, so don't take my word for it please! But I need practice.

You are 1st house, for sure. Mercury is your significator along with the Moon, that much I know. I'm not sure which house I should put your ***** in, whether he (right? ) is in 7th or in 5th. I'm tempted to go for 7th because your question is already regarding sex and that is 5th house.

In which case, 7th is in Sagittarius so their significator would be Jupiter and Sun. First off, Moon and Sun do not aspect. That is not a good sign, but as I've been told, it could mean nothing has happened yet. Jupiter and Mercury do trine. BUT! Jupiter is retrograde which my instinct says that they (or him, if I remember correctly) are a bit reluctant to connect THAT way.

Moving on to 5th, sex has Mercury as significator. Same as yours which I assume means you're all for it or better yet all about it. Again because their significator is retrograde, maybe they might have considered it and liked the idea, but reluctant to act.

Their significator in the 12th I think, could also suggest that they are unclear about the idea, or doubting or confused.

If I'm at all wrong, please anyone correct me. I really need the practice!

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posted September 16, 2011 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for frankie2912     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
thank you! i appreciate your input, i know horary is a tough subject for many to understand..im barely getting the hang of it.


well, the guy im talking about has always wanted to have sex with me but i have rejected him for 5 years out of insecurity and not talking to him for a while. we re-connected a few weeks ago after not seeing each other for a few years and the sparks FLEW for me..and i know he still likes me. im hanging with him tonight so we'll see how that goes

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posted September 17, 2011 03:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aya_and_baby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ooooh! Hey I forgot to ask you, is it just sex you want with him or eventually a relationship too?

Horary definitely is tough to get the hang of. So many rules and guidelines, doesn't work well for someone with Uranus widely conjunct rising. "What? Rules? Seriously?" I sure hope it was on to something though. Then my method could work too! What I basically do is go by instinct (and a minor rule here and there as you have noticed)

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posted September 17, 2011 03:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for frankie2912     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
it is mostly just sex i want with him, but to remain friends. i know he's not mine and never will be...but we've got this chemistry going on that cannot be ignored. we used to mess around but never had sex...so..

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posted September 18, 2011 03:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, if you're not interested in a relationship (partnership) with him, then the 7H ruler cannot be used as his significator. I'd chose Saturn, because he rules the 8th and it's placed in the 5th. Interesting that the Moon is separating from an opposition to Saturn, suggesting your rejection of him.
Mercury is applying for an opposition to Saturn by antiscia, meaning that you will probably decide to provoke him in a subtle way, using hints or sexy outfits. Saturn likes you, he's in your triplicity.
Moon is applying for a square to Mars (sex). The square is usually negative, but the fact that the mutual reception is so good (both are ruled by the other), it means that the attraction is mutual and you'll both want it badly.

I think it is mainly up to you. You will have to be the one to approach him, either directly or more subtle. It can happen in 3 or 5 weeks or so.

What I also see here is another romantic interest for you, Venus, which intercepts in the 5th and co-rules it. This could be you getting in your own way, or another interest for you. I don't see Venus coming between you two, though.

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posted September 18, 2011 03:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for frankie2912     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hera--thank you for such a great interpretation! i hung out with him last night, and i did wear a sexy outfit and subtley touch him "on accident"...i found he was doing the same. he texted me when i got home and said "have a good night. think of me before bed" LOL.

i do feel like i am the one calling the shots here...so you think 3-5 weeks? i think that is a very accurate assumption for the timeframe...he is a little cautious with me and move slowly, but since i kind of gave him the go-ahead by responding to his text with, "i will " ...i think it'll happen soon. we don't see each other very often, so your timeframe makes sense.

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posted September 19, 2011 11:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, that's the applying orbs, but I feel strongly about 5 weeks from now. Could be days, but I think weeks is more likely.

Enjoy this, Frankie, and keep us posted!

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posted September 24, 2011 10:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

May I add my own horary question here please?

My question is: is my friendship with this person (a mentor) finished? [We recently exchanged some hurtful words and I feel sad and like it's over that I can't ever trust him again.]

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posted September 24, 2011 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
bumping this... hoping someone will look at my horary q

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posted September 24, 2011 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is this a boss figure, someone you hold in high esteem? (trying to figure out if he's 9th or 10th house) Is he a professional mentor or a spiritual mentor?

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posted September 24, 2011 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He used to be my boss, so yes, 10th house. But he also was my academic mentor, so 9th house too. LOL Now, it's just a "career" mentor to me or just a friend of many many years with whom I've worked and collaborated with. Sorry if this confuses this a bit. He's 20yrs my senior if that helps.

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Is this a boss figure, someone you hold in high esteem? (trying to figure out if he's 9th or 10th house) Is he a professional mentor or a spiritual mentor?

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posted September 24, 2011 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PS: This is actually a very good question, Hera. I would say he's the 10th house signifier, because of our history but also because the matter over which we argued was my career/job/employment situation. So definitely 10th house and Saturn (his seniority also indicates this I think). Just intuitively speaking.... very interesting how I have planets in both the 10th and the 9th horary chart houses.

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posted September 24, 2011 02:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think given the context (you recently having a change of heart about him and not being able to trust him anymore) that I should use the 10th house for him and Mars as his significator. I say this because your significator the Sun recently changed signs and is now in Libra, a sign of detriment for Mars (him). Also because your other significator, the Moon, is separating from him.

I see you applying for a sextile to him in 3 time frames (probably months), but you are in a very difficult spot regarding this issue. You are in your own fall and cadent. This makes you confused and powerless. Moreso, before aspecting him, you will make an opposition to Uranus in the 9th, which makes me think you will have an unpleasant surprise, perhaps you will find out some details that you will find shocking. It could be said that Uranus will be interfering with your approach to him. Even if you do make a step in his direction, soon after you will square Pluto, which makes me think you might put an end to this relationship.
He is still very fond of you, he is ruled by you, but he is in the house of hidden enemies, perhaps he has acted (consciously or not) against your interests?

Another significator for him would be Jupiter (ruler of the 9th, so it fits with the background), residing in his house. Moon is separating from a square to Jupiter, but the reception between you two (Jupiter exalted by you and Moon in his triplicity) suggests a rupture in an otherwise positive relationship. There was trust and affinity between you two. I don't see Sun and Jupiter making an aspect and the one you are making to Mars is from a weak, powerless position (so you are unlikely to gather the strength to go through it) and is frought by interference of Uranus (unpleasant shock).
If we look at Moon's last aspect, it is an opposition to Neptune... which tells me this situation will leave a bitter taste of disappointment.

I'm sorry I couldn't deliver more positive news. It doesn't look very optimistic to me, even though you are tempted to make an attempt for reconciliation. In the end, I think he will end up disappointing you further if you do. I hope other knowflakes will see it more positively.

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posted September 24, 2011 02:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, Hera, I don't know how "time" plays in a horary but I already got my Uranus shock and that is why I seriously doubt about trusting him any more. This is a person I would swear is on my court for the last 15yrs of my life, not an easy spot to be in emotionally. Not an easy change of heart.
Thanks very much. I would still like to know if the Uranus shock you saw is something that is coming up or something that was already gone.
And one more thing: he has (although unwittingly) undermined me more than helped me and I have relied on him in earnest. And yes he is fond of me, which makes cutting this bond harder.

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I think given the context (you recently having a change of heart about him and not being able to trust him anymore) that I should use the 10th house for him and Mars as his significator. I say this because your significator the Sun recently changed signs and is now in Libra, a sign of detriment for Mars (him). Also because your other significator, the Moon, is separating from him.

I see you applying for a sextile to him in 3 time frames (probably months), but you are in a very difficult spot regarding this issue. You are in your own fall and cadent. This makes you confused and powerless. Moreso, before aspecting him, you will make an opposition to Uranus in the 9th, which makes me think you will have an unpleasant surprise, perhaps you will find out some details that you will find shocking. It could be said that Uranus will be interfering with your approach to him. Even if you do make a step in his direction, soon after you will square Pluto, which makes me think you might put an end to this relationship.
He is still very fond of you, he is ruled by you, but he is in the house of hidden enemies, perhaps he has acted (consciously or not) against your interests?

Another significator for him would be Jupiter, residing in his house. Moon is separating from a square to Jupiter, but the reception between you two (Jupiter exalted by you and Moon in his triplicity) suggests a rupture in an otherwise positive relationship. There was trust and affinity between you two. I don't see Sun and Jupiter making an aspect and the one you are making to Mars is from a weak, powerless position (so you are unlikely to gather the strength to go through it) and is frought by interference of Uranus (unpleasant shock).
If we look at Moon's last aspect, it is an opposition to Neptune... which tells me this situation will leave a bitter taste of disappointment.

I'm sorry I couldn't deliver more positive news. It doesn't look very optimistic to me, even though you are tempted to make an attempt for reconciliation. In the end, I think he will end up disappointing you further if you do. I hope other knowflakes will see it more positively.


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posted September 24, 2011 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is something that will come in 2 time frames (the orb between Sun and Uranus). Given that Uranus is in the 9th house (other people's thoughts/communications) I felt that you will hear some unpleasant news from someone, perhaps a foreigner or some other teacher. Uranus also co-rules the 7th house of open enemies. Perhaps what you will find out will turn him from a hidden enemy into an open one. Interesting that you said he has been undermining you, I find it consistent with his position in your 12th house (acting as a subtle, hidden enemy).

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posted September 24, 2011 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I mentioned it as feedback to you for your reading. As I said, he's not doing it on purpose but in the past I've caught myself thinking what the hell he is doing... Given my recent communication with him, it is quite possible that he was not working in my best interests. This is my change of heart about him, I guess.... But from him unwittingly undermining me to him being an *open enemy* it's a huge gap I'm not seeing even now that he has hurt my feelings.
The timing think (it terms of orb) I get it, but I need to know if that is something you see coming, or whether it has happened already. As I said I already got what I think was my "Uranus surprise".

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It is something that will come in 2 time frames (the orb between Sun and Uranus). Given that Uranus is in the 9th house (other people's thoughts/communications) I felt that you will hear some unpleasant news from someone, perhaps a foreigner or some other teacher. Uranus also co-rules the 7th house of open enemies. Perhaps what you will find out will turn him from a hidden enemy into an open one. Interesting that you said he has been undermining you, I find it consistent with his position in your 12th house (acting as a subtle, hidden enemy).

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posted September 24, 2011 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That was probably Moon trining Uranus. But the Sun-Uranus opposition is applying on both ends (Uranus is retro, so both are applying to one another), so it is still coming, unfortunately.

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posted September 24, 2011 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Alright, I will keep an eye on it although I'm not really looking forward to it.
If the significator was in the 9th house instead, do we still get this applying opposition as a negative event/news coming that would make him look/sound like an open enemy?

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That was probably Moon trining Uranus. But the Sun-Uranus opposition is applying on both ends, so it is still coming, unfortunately.

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posted September 24, 2011 03:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know exactly what you mean. The opposition would still happen. It might not be related to him, though. It is something that will happen to you, not him (you are applying to Uranus, and Uranus to you). It might be a competitor in academics or some trouble in this domain. You will also square Pluto in your 6th, this could be some sort of termination of a job, or again some troubles with it. These are all happening to you. They could be related to him or not, but since the chart is about the relationship between you two, it might be the consequences of his actions against you.

*edit* Sorry, Pluto is in the 5th, but rules the 6th.

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posted September 24, 2011 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't say he took "actions against me". As I explained, he never acted *against* me in any way let alone *on purpose*. So I can't relate to that; it doesn't resonate.
I guess it remains to be seen what Uranus and Pluto are in relation to him.
It could be 2-3 days or weeks or months, right (for the Sun-Uranus opp)?
Pluto is at 5 degrees right now- kind of far from the 0 degrees of the Sun for a square. Or am I misinterpreting your note below?

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I don't know exactly what you mean. The opposition would still happen. It might not be related to him, though. It is something that will happen to you, not him (you are applying to Uranus, and Uranus to you). It might be a competitor in academics or some trouble in this domain. You will also square Pluto in your 6th, this could be some sort of termination of a job, or again some troubles with it. These are all happening to you. They could be related to him or not, but since the chart is about the relationship between you two, it might be the consequences of his actions against you.

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posted September 24, 2011 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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*edit* Sorry, Pluto is in the 5th, but rules the 6th.

Yes, but Pluto is 5 degrees ahead of the Sun and not in rx fashion. When do you see these two get in a square?

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posted September 24, 2011 03:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry I'm tired, don't take everything I write so litteral. By "his actions against you" I meant him undermining you. It felt like despite your separation from him, he's still in the house of your unconscious, operating from there (so indeed the word "actions" was wrongly used). You right now are in an unfavorable position, in fall and cadent. It felt like he has shattered your self confidence and made you powerless to take action.
The square to Pluto is valid but that comes later. Given that you make these aspects from a cadent house, it's more likely to be months (or years).

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