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posted September 24, 2011 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soothsayer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would really appreciate any insight to his chart. I've looked at it many times and have a general understanding of it but would love to have a fresh pair of eyes, not to mention the opinion of someone who doesn't know/love him. As I have said many times, it can be extremely difficult to look at and understand every area of a loved ones charts because it is so easy to be biased and ignore important details.

Thank you, in advance

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posted September 25, 2011 06:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for fireopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Sooth Nice to meet you. I haven't had a close look at this, but immediately his Mars came out and then Mercury, both in 12th house Libra. He's got a heck of a lot of challenges and inner conflicts here. Feelings of restriction, inhibition, hesitancy and inner frustrations. But wow, this guy is gonna be mighty powerful when he claims his strengths - huge force!!

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posted September 25, 2011 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soothsayer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, that is unbelievably accurate. His inner struggles are what he's been dealing with since childhood. I tell him all the time all the potential and ability he has, he just has to come to terms with his emotional trauma instead of letting it control and restrict him.

Thank you so much for your insight

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posted September 25, 2011 05:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fireopal     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

There is something going on with Saturn/Uranus and NN Aqua too...have some thoughts on that, but I'll wait till I feel clearer. I'm thinking that the Capricorn energy and more serious side of him wins out over the Uranus energy, but he's definitely got to embrace that energy as it's one of the ways forward for him.....

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posted September 26, 2011 03:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow he has a lot of aspects. A lot of harsh ones too (squares n oppositions), i would guess this would make him one complicated individual with a lot of inner conflict, as has already been said. Nearly completely fire-void too, except for Venus in Sag. Does he have trouble with expression, showing his ideas, enthusiasm, or just generally lacking in get up and go for the fun (Fire element related)things in life? Although his expression of love (Venus) may tend to confuse/ overshadow this lack thru showering you, the affection of his love with an abundance of raw love, energy and general enthusiasm (though Saggies can be confusing generally direct one min and then cold the next; here one min, gone the next, but always come back to where they feel secure) Generally though he probably feels the Fire lack in his chart and this probably makes him feel quite serious and responsible. Coupled with Mars and Merc in the 12th, he prob has a lot of hidden angst.

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posted September 26, 2011 04:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
A really simple observation: his three most important influences (Sun, Moon and Asc) are all in 'flighty' signs and his moon being in Pisces would make him very creative, emotional and prone to escapist behaviour and the Libran aspect very loving, harmonious, indecisive, intelligent and full of character. These obvious initial traits might seem in contrast though to another side of himself.. the side that is created by all his harsh aspects, the side that creates the inner turmoil he experiences. His aspects, signs in houses and planets in signs probably make him appear very serious, complicated and reserved maybe which contrasts with his true nature. I think if he overcomes his struggles created by these factors/ aspects he will be better apt at expressing his 'big 3 ' more harmoniously and without that inner niggle he presumably feels.

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posted September 26, 2011 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mars conjunct ASC, i would interpret this as him either feeling very far from expressing his power (the furthest point/degree away from the ASC on the zodiacal wheel/ in the 12h) and aggression but maybe also very close to finding it, expressing it and fulfilling it (conjunction) I think it depends on what way u want to look at it; as easy to express because the energies are joining together or hard because these energies are in the 12h. I would feel that it would start off as a feeling of repressiveness for himself, a repressiveness of his own strength and power, but the power of his strength can be felt especially when in hidden environments. This power though i feel will make him realise he does have incredible power potential to be expressed, i think it will be his struggle and also his release when he finally does find the chance to overcome the expression the conjunction eases the burden and repressiveness of the 12th house hidden power making it easier to express his strength and power.

Plus his DC is in Aries: This could encourage the theme of being deeply powerful and also is he attracted to initiators, strong/powerful, leader type people/ women? The Libra/ Pisces influence alone, would probably desire this anyway though.

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posted September 26, 2011 04:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haven't looked specifically at the aspects in depth, just concentrating on the visual first. Important things i notice initially are a Grand water trine, third house stellium in the 3rd in cap and the IC cusp in Cap.

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posted September 26, 2011 04:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Haven't looked specifically at the aspects in depth, just concentrating on the visual first. Important things i notice initially are a Grand water trine, third house stellium in the 3rd in cap and the IC cusp in Cap.

His planets are mostly in the cardinal mode, which i would assume helps to bring some relief to his lack of fire element in his chart. This would help him be an initiator, driven and to use his talents to achieve his ambitions and ideals.

Chiron/ Jupiter conjunct in cancer in the 9th and Moon in the 5th in Pisces and Pluto in the 2nd are all important also (this forms the grand trine too, very important)

This is all without looking at the table of aspects; there sure looks like a lot to discover in his chart!

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posted September 26, 2011 06:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soothsayer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Wow he has a lot of aspects. A lot of harsh ones too (squares n oppositions), i would guess this would make him one complicated individual with a lot of inner conflict, as has already been said. Nearly completely fire-void too, except for Venus in Sag. Does he have trouble with expression, showing his ideas, enthusiasm, or just generally lacking in get up and go for the fun (Fire element related)things in life? Although his expression of love (Venus) may tend to confuse/ overshadow this lack thru showering you, the affection of his love with an abundance of raw love, energy and general enthusiasm (though Saggies can be confusing generally direct one min and then cold the next; here one min, gone the next, but always come back to where they feel secure) Generally though he probably feels the Fire lack in his chart and this probably makes him feel quite serious and responsible. Coupled with Mars and Merc in the 12th, he prob has a lot of hidden angst.

Yes this is so true. Although I wouldn't necessarily say that he is too serious and responsible--he can be when the time is right but when he becomes serious it's more so out of pessimism. He has suffered a lot of traumas and sometimes it is hard for him to see past that and recognize his talents and abilities. He has a lot of issues regarding his self worth and value (2nd house Pluto I think). It's so important that we all learn to own our Pluto and growand transform through that learning process.

He does have a ton if hidden angst and fear. Usually you'll see that sociable, charming Libra. Most people would be surprised and how much tension and anger is brewing near the surface. He'll ignore the pain until he finally explodes.
He's learning to deal with it and move on. It's been a rough couple years for him I think. All his Libra planets and ASC are progressed into Scorpio so he's had a lot of intense feelings coming to the fore. Plus transiting Saturn just ended its journey through his 12th house. Definitely explains a lot.

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posted September 26, 2011 06:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soothsayer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by bellesoul:
A really simple observation: his three most important influences (Sun, Moon and Asc) are all in 'flighty' signs and his moon being in Pisces would make him very creative, emotional and prone to escapist behaviour and the Libran aspect very loving, harmonious, indecisive, intelligent and full of character. These obvious initial traits might seem in contrast though to another side of himself.. the side that is created by all his harsh aspects, the side that creates the inner turmoil he experiences. His aspects, signs in houses and planets in signs probably make him appear very serious, complicated and reserved maybe which contrasts with his true nature. I think if he overcomes his struggles created by these factors/ aspects he will be better apt at expressing his 'big 3 ' more harmoniously and without that inner niggle he presumably feels.

Again, spot on. Although he doesn't constantly behave in a reserved, nonexpressive manner. He has that back and forth tendency. When everything is going well and he's feeling confident, he is extremely outgoing, funny, and talkative. Most people only know him to be this way. His serious, pessimistic, escapist attitude comes out when failure or hardship sets in and then people rarely get a chance to see him. This is a side of him he would rather not share with anyone--usually not even me.

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posted September 26, 2011 06:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soothsayer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Mars conjunct ASC, i would interpret this as him either feeling very far from expressing his power (the furthest point/degree away from the ASC on the zodiacal wheel/ in the 12h) and aggression but maybe also very close to finding it, expressing it and fulfilling it (conjunction) I think it depends on what way u want to look at it; as easy to express because the energies are joining together or hard because these energies are in the 12h. I would feel that it would start off as a feeling of repressiveness for himself, a repressiveness of his own strength and power, but the power of his strength can be felt especially when in hidden environments. This power though i feel will make him realise he does have incredible power potential to be expressed, i think it will be his struggle and also his release when he finally does find the chance to overcome the expression the conjunction eases the burden and repressiveness of the 12th house hidden power making it easier to express his strength and power.

Plus his DC is in Aries: This could encourage the theme of being deeply powerful and also is he attracted to initiators, strong/powerful, leader type people/ women? The Libra/ Pisces influence alone, would probably desire this anyway though.


I think it is a blend of both. Mars definitely plays a huge part in his temperament and overall outlook. As a child I think he expressed this energy a little too much. He was constantly getting into fights. But it was typically Libran--he fought for the underdog, basically bullying the bullies lol.
The older he gets the more he seems to suppress that rage which causes a lot of inner emotional turmoil and even hatred. Not good for the health, that's for sure.

I feel this gives him a strong subconscious but he really needs to learn to express it a bit more openly. He has a brilliant, intuitive mind he just needs to learn to openly share his ideas and not be so insecure.

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posted September 26, 2011 06:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soothsayer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Haven't looked specifically at the aspects in depth, just concentrating on the visual first. Important things i notice initially are a Grand water trine, third house stellium in the 3rd in cap and the IC cusp in Cap.

His planets are mostly in the cardinal mode, which i would assume helps to bring some relief to his lack of fire element in his chart. This would help him be an initiator, driven and to use his talents to achieve his ambitions and ideals.

Chiron/ Jupiter conjunct in cancer in the 9th and Moon in the 5th in Pisces and Pluto in the 2nd are all important also (this forms the grand trine too, very important)

This is all without looking at the table of aspects; there sure looks like a lot to discover in his chart!


There is! This is why I posted it so I could get some more insight on it.
I think his grand water trine represent all the potential he needs to focus on.

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posted September 26, 2011 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
went back to look at chart again, to go over my intial observations but with analysis, but for some reason the chart isn't coming up, just has a lil square there where the chart should be.

Before i go over the visual/ things that initially stood out, is there anything specifically in his chart that ud like more insight into/ someone elses view on?

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posted September 26, 2011 08:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soothsayer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wouldn't mind some insight into his talents abilities. Maybe what he should focus on.
I think this is something he is unsure of and I wouldn't mind showing him this thread to hopefully help him with his confidence.

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posted September 26, 2011 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I wouldn't mind some insight into his talents abilities. Maybe what he should focus on.
I think this is something he is unsure of and I wouldn't mind showing him this thread to hopefully help him with his confidence.

Ok right off i am gonna start with the sun/ moon quincunx, as like i said before this creates conflict with will and true needs, his wants/ needs. The male/female side of him.. this creates an imbalance automatically in discovering his true path as he is always in constant conflict and this probably leaves him feeling confused as what path to take...

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posted September 26, 2011 08:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soothsayer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That is exactly right.
I have this aspect myself and it is not easy to deal with. It's really hard to find a balance between both energies but it can be quite compelling once you do.

I'm interested to hear more of your analysis of this aspect.

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posted September 26, 2011 08:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His MC in Cancer with Chiron and Jupiter residing shows he has huge potential and luck in a career/ talents in a Cancerian influenced field. He has potential to offer intuition, a natural gut instinct on matters that will benefit society at large and a natural sympathy. He depicts a paternal caring that if truly understood and realised will contribute to society and himself. Cancer here aids a caring demeanor but also a vulnerability that he probably overcompensates for by using his Cancer shell to protect himself and his status, reputation, career etc..

He probably has many feelings of insecurity, wounds surrounding responsibility, reputation, career and status that Chiron wounds him with. His reward here is to overcome his vulnerabilty and to heal himself through realising his potential and others through a career in the spiritual, helping fields; those that use emotions rather than logic aswell as instincts and habits.

Jupiter in Cancer in the 10th also manages to expand this wound and increase his level of vulnerability. It will increase not only Chiron's influence, but the Cancer impact on the 10th house in general. He will also be bestowed with great luck and fortune in this area if he manages to see past the pain and begin healing himself. Jupiter will increase his optimism here if he lets it and will create abundance for him; it is definately within his grasp. His reputation/ status etc will be beneficial if he uses Jupiter's lucky influence and not Chiron's potential to wound further, but Chiron's potential to heal coupled with Jupiter's positive influence. The trouble i see if he doesn't realise his true path is that Jupiter expands the wound of Chiron and he becomes lost in his emotions, vulnerabilites and Cancer's huge capacity for loneliness. The choice is his.

The IC/MC are in their opposite signs in his chart and this would i presume create an unnatural position and he probably feels this unease; but he could garner great rewards from his alternative chart. My bf and sis have quite natural charts, asc both in aries.. and they both depict a sense of comfort/ natural ease as people (i think a natural chart aids this) wheras ur bf has to discover an alternative route that suits himself; his path seems a spiritual one he must attain. To share spiritual/ emotional talents and make a career out of this through the structure of the public/ career orientated 10th house.

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posted September 26, 2011 08:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soothsayer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, this is all very accurate. Thank you so much I really appreciate it and can't wait to show him all these comments.

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Jupiter in Cancer in the 10th also manages to expand this wound and increase his level of vulnerability. It will increase not only Chiron's influence, but the Cancer impact on the 10th house in general. He will also be bestowed with great luck and fortune in this area if he manages to see past the pain and begin healing himself. Jupiter will increase his optimism here if he lets it and will create abundance for him; it is definately within his grasp. His reputation/ status etc will be beneficial if he uses Jupiter's lucky influence and not Chiron's potential to wound further, but Chiron's potential to heal coupled with Jupiter's positive influence. The trouble i see if he doesn't realise his true path is that Jupiter expands the wound of Chiron and he becomes lost in his emotions, vulnerabilites and Cancer's huge capacity for loneliness. The choice is his.

This part was absolutely bang on. Finding his goal has created a huge wound in him. He can't decide what direction to take. He has a lot of pride and taking any job that he finds the slightest bit embarrassing really messes with his ego.
He is extremely vulnerable and sensitive and you are absolutely right he has an enormous capacity for loneliness. "The choice is his" I tell him this constantly. Happiness is a choice. You can either learn from your pain and trauma and become wise and empowered or let it own you and have it destroy your life.

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posted September 26, 2011 08:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That is exactly right.
I have this aspect myself and it is not easy to deal with. It's really hard to find a balance between both energies but it can be quite compelling once you do.

I'm interested to hear more of your analysis of this aspect.


Me 3! i can definately resonate with this aspect, its like an irritating reminder thats always there lurking in the background. Mine is constantly a battle produced by a Sag Sun that desires freedom, adventure and so forth wheras my Cancer Moon craves security and familiarity. I feel i need the security but the sag side of me forces me to be ambitious and has often put me into situations i don't really feel comfortable with but my Sag side tries to push my more conventional side down and represses it because my will thinks its a weakness. Like i really deeply maternal and so badly want to be a mother, who has a family to cherish, (obviously circumstance comes in here too, finances, instability etc restrict this) but then my will makes me put it off, get a career doing something really ambitious, rewarding where you can experience abundance and rewards a plenty but i know whatever i do i have to find a balance. I want a careerbut i no i want a family. This is just the tip of the iceberg, with all the indecision. Your will and wants are dedicated to service but ur needs are Aquarian and thus unique, scattered and unpredictable. You will have a very unique inner need that doesn't follow tradition or the norm but ur outward will may try to squash what ur more eccentric needs and tendencies. This probably manifests as deep dissatisfaction with work and probably adds to ur problems with sleep and ultimately will lead to feeling exhausted within. I think for ur bf this will probably be the same his inner emotional, creative, escapist nature needs to be allowed to just breathe and be free to be whatever he feels at the time but his Libra will probably forces him to be more balanced, more sociable, more logical and other-wordly. I actually think this 'minor' aspect creates a 'major' never goes away kinda imbalance, it leaves a tired soul if kept unresolved. Also, what you said before about u feeling indecisive and unable to make decisions, going back and forth and then ending u doing nothing... i think this could be a result of this aspect. The indecisive dilemma that results in fear which results in stalemate. Fear in making the wrong move. I am in this situation right now, career and life direction. I feel i genuinely don't no which direction to take. Well now i have just gotta focus on a roof over my head so that is a priority right now anyway.

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posted September 26, 2011 09:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soothsayer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Couldn't have put it any better. That is exactly how it feels. For me, it's an inner struggle that most people wouldn't know I had. It's like my will has overcome my emotions. With my emotions being ruled by aloof Aquarius it is much easier for me to hide this personal struggle.
Virgo is service oriented and practical, Aquarius is free and independent, somewhat idealistic.
I have a strong Virgo influence as well. So I have the tendency of allowing my Virgoan needs take too much control .

Once you learn how to combine the two energies positively, to express each need comfortably, it will add much character and probably attract a lot of people.
I think with my boyfriend,his Pisces/Libra quincunx could add such beauty and class. It seems like such a lovely and compassionate combination. Just needs to find that balance between intuition/intellect and solitude/socializing.

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posted September 26, 2011 09:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for bellesoul     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ur interpretation is very articulately put, very sound. I can definately see this as being ur bf's potential, it is a beautiful combination.

The attraction thing: i can see this too, i think the contradiction appears like a contradiction in personality that might appear like a contradiction of purpose and i think ppl will/ do/ can perceive this as interesting and may see us as enigmas, very mysterious but also sometimes annoyingly contradictory.

Your heavy Virgo influence prob does inhibit and repress ur Aquarian moon and ppl prob don't often get to see generally ur Aquarian eccentricity, cept' those that know u well or who have gotten on the wrong side of u. But ur philosophical outlook on how to balance these differences i think is inspiring and def true.

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posted September 26, 2011 10:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soothsayer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Ur interpretation is very articulately put, very sound. I can definately see this as being ur bf's potential, it is a beautiful combination.

The attraction thing: i can see this too, i think the contradiction appears like a contradiction in personality that might appear like a contradiction of purpose and i think ppl will/ do/ can perceive this as interesting and may see us as enigmas, very mysterious but also sometimes annoyingly contradictory.

Your heavy Virgo influence prob does inhibit and repress ur Aquarian moon and ppl prob don't often get to see generally ur Aquarian eccentricity, cept' those that know u well or who have gotten on the wrong side of u. But ur philosophical outlook on how to balance these differences i think is inspiring and def true.


Aw what a sweet thing to say. I actually preferred your interpretation more.
I agree that people could find this combination annoyingly contrary. It can come across as confusing people.
With me, I am extremely service oriented, catering to everyone. People usually see me as giving of my time and my resources. Then all of a sudden that freedom loving Aquarian side of me comes out and throws others off. They liked the side of me that was loyal and focused on them then all of a sudden I want privacy and to be left alone. I want freedom and for people not too get too close.

I just realized my enormous need from solitude must come from my Sun=Moon/Saturn midpoint. This I think adds a lot more to my aloof nature. Not to mention Saturn is in Aquarius as well as the Moon (although 29 degrees apart).

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posted September 27, 2011 03:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soothsayer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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There is something going on with Saturn/Uranus and NN Aqua too...have some thoughts on that, but I'll wait till I feel clearer. I'm thinking that the Capricorn energy and more serious side of him wins out over the Uranus energy, but he's definitely got to embrace that energy as it's one of the ways forward for him.....

I agree with this. Interested to hear what else you have to say on this.

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posted September 27, 2011 03:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Soothsayer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
How would you guys interpret his grand water trine between Moon, Pluto, and Jupiter?


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