posted October 07, 2011 10:58 AM            

My question was:
Will I see him again this year and will there be more contact?

posted October 07, 2011 12:22 PM            

His significator, Sun, is applying to conjunct her sig, Saturn in 5 degrees. The caveat is that her sig Saturn is combust, intimidated by him in some way and weakened. That does weaken the applying conjunction, and may even render this nice aspect useless.

posted October 07, 2011 12:52 PM            

Sunshine,
that is an interesting question you posed there.

I wonder if it is a difference when the Sun is a significator. I mean, if not, does that mean, that every conjunction of the querent`s significator with the questited significator, if it happens to be Sun, is negative?

An interesting thought, not just for me individually, but for more horaries to come. Feels like a principle-question.

I am going to research this one.

You said I am intimidated, which might be true.
And weakened - at the same time Saturn is in the sign of its exaltation, so pretty strong.
So isīn`t that contradictory?

Of course I do have very contradictory thoughts and feelings when it comes to him. lol

posted October 08, 2011 03:25 AM            

Your Saturn he is Sun.
There is an applying conjunction.
Sun is moving towards Saturn.

Mars is in his 1st makes it another symbol for him.. Mars also rules his h3 (communication) house. Which trines Sun and Saturn..

posted October 08, 2011 06:04 AM            

Hera,

now youīve made me even more anxious and downright scard.

Is it because my significator is combust?
The Mars on his DESC (I noticed that immediately; will he be upset? Well, he has Aries intercepted in his 1st house in natal, so the Mars kind of reflects him I guess, of course that Mars/Aries energy comes under the guise of a nice harmless Pisces ASC. )

Or because his significator is in its fall?
Or the extreme emphasis on the 8th house?

Lioness,

thank you. As I explained above, Mars as his co-significator makes sense, with Aries being intercepted in his natal 1st house.
In the same instance Moon in Aquarius as my cosignificator makes also sense, as my natal Moon is in Aquarius, too.
I know the outer planets are not being used in horary, but I also have Neptune in 1st house natally.

posted October 08, 2011 12:57 PM            

you know I love you, donīt you?

You voiced exactly the questions rummaging in my mind as well.

"home from the Congress."
How did it go?

" and moreso BOTH your significators are in his fall/detriment. What is this about? "
I was wondering about that, too.
I always thought this means dislike or something like that; Well Nina Gryphon often puts it more dramatically, as "loathing".

But somehow, I have come across a few horaries, and it does not seem to be always that simple.
Though I DO have very mixed feelings about him, I admit.
Or not my feelings are actually mixed, but that war between what I perceive as "instinctual reaction " (which might be nothing else than feelings. lol, though when I would have to locate them somewhere, I would say I feel "him" inside my body rather than in my mind. Difficult to explain, but it`s a startling experience to me actually.) and my thinking.

"Is it your fear, is he overwhelming for you, what is it that makes you resistant towards him? "
I AM resistant for so many reasons.
First of all it is fear, he IS completely overwhelming for me.
Funnily I once compared him to the Sun, and now my significator is combust! LOL
But it is only, this unclear connection. I mean there should not even be a connection at all, and I am fearing that despite it all, it is all in my mind, and I am just deluding myself with a childish fancy.
And above all, well, I cannot deny that the did talk to me of his own accord, that was not just a fantasy, because others have seen and heard it as well, but of course it was part of the show, and he could have chosen someone else, so this was probably just coincidence, and I am just deluding myself with a childish fancy.
I definitely fear that I have misinterpreted these signals, and of course fear rejection, like anyone else would.

maybe that is the detriment/ fall position?

"but I think it points more to the deep intensity of your connection more than the gloomy view of horary."
Well, I feel it quite intensely at least. Actually I was telling a colleague of mine aobut it to hear her view - always interesting to get an outside view on these things- and after I had ended telling her, Iw as feeling that my knees had been all wobbly. I honestly do not recognize myself, when I am talking about him, I seem to be, I donīt know, not nearly as placid as I should be. lol

I think currently I am just scared of falling in love with a delusion.
Well, I am afraid of falling in love. Period.
I had ticked that off for my life, and then he showed up and caused a great mess inside of me.
Then I staged my usual disappearing act,a nd when I reappeared again, I was certain that by now that little crush and confusion of feelings had passed, just to realize that I am back at square one?
What about ticking-off that box in my life?
He can`t just simply appear and turn my world upside down, that is just not fair. That is not how I had it planned!
And unfortunately I currently donīt have a plan B.

See how silly I am talking?

I probably will edit it all out later, so noone will really know what kind of a nutjob I really am.

"Lastly, Moon's last aspect is a conjunction to Neptune.."
I thought this is not being used in horary? Though in this case I could not help but notice how fitting it seems.
BTW did I mention that MOon is on the exact degree of my Psyche and His Pallas? And his Psyche is on 25 Aquarius?
Oh and one more, Neptune is on the same degree as my Black Moon Lilith, and this one opposes HIS Black Moon Lilith exactly.
I found that interesting as BML played a certain role in our first meeting chart. in the first meeting chart BML (true) was on 12 Sagittarius with its ASC on 10 Sag, which of course is the exact degree of my Neptune/NN-conjunction and only one degree of his DESC-ruler Mercury. I thought this was interesting. But does not really relate to the horary I guess.

But it seems that BML is one worth keeping an eye on.

"bring more confusion or inspiration. Neptune"
AS it is of now I`d say more confusion than anything else. Also an awareness of the evasive, slippery, deluding nature of Neptune (as it sometimes is).

"For Mars, I don't know why but I thought it could be a rival... one of his exes"
Yes, makes sense. At first I thought the same, but none of my books mentioned it, so I did not mention it either. lol
But it makes sense for two more reasons. First of all how can I even be sure she is his ex?
Secondly they are still working together; she was actually there on that evening, though, well, I found it interesting how they appeared to do anything to avoid physical contact (I had seen them before together, and let`s just say, it was not their usual behaviour - but maybe this, as well, was just coincidence, and by now I am so blinded that I am probably reading ANYTHING into nothing. lol)

posted October 08, 2011 12:58 PM            

"For Mars, I don't know why but I thought it could be a rival... one of his exes"
Yes, makes sense. At first I thought the same, but none of my books mentioned it, so I did not mention it either. lol
But it makes sense for two more reasons. First of all how can I even be sure she is his ex?
Secondly they are still working together; she was actually there on that evening, though, well, I found it interesting how they appeared to do anything to avoid physical contact (I had seen them before together, and let`s just say, it was not their usual behaviour - but maybe this, as well, was just coincidence, and by now I am so blinded that I am probably reading ANYTHING into nothing. lol)

The second reason is another horary I did on him (diff. question though). And in this one she clearly appeared as Mars as well. In that horary though he was Jupiter, and had just left her sign (Aries) and was by now placed in Taurus, but retograde (though Jupiter will not move back into Aries; he actually stops at 00 Taurus. lol) Mars was ruling his 5th house, also.
And in that previous horary mars was in Leo, so in the sign of his signfiicator Sun and in the triplicity of his other significator Jupiter, while Sun was in the fall of Mars, and Jupiter in the detriment of Mars; Sun was exactly sextile Mars, but Mars then was applying to a square to Jupiter. I just found that interesting.
Since Jupiter is retrograde, it was a "mutual application" by square.
Sun (him) was in her 7th house; Jupiter was in her 2nd house; mars (she) was in his 9th house, the joy of Sun, so let me reiterate; who knows if she is really his ex?

In that chart his significator Jupiter was in my 12th house and Sun in my 5th house, while Venus was in his 11th house, Mercury my main signifiator in his 11th house as well, and Moon in his 12th house.

It was an interesting horary actually. Not really that positive I guess, but interesting nevertheless.
My significator was applying to his by quinkunx, which is said to be an "out of joint" aspect and coupled with the fact that he was in my 12th house - well, it really hit me sideways, without me even notiing what was going on.

oh I forgot to mention that in the horary my main significator Mercury was conjunct Sun, his sig, by 1 degree, but separating (I posed the question a week after having seen him funnily). And of course combust again.

but back to the current horary.

"placed in your house of open enemies."
She seems like a nice person, but she was a bit out of joint herself that evening, I think.

"Mars is of no concern though, Sun is separating from her (if Mars is a her = ex gf) and Sun dislikes Mars now, but fancies you tremendously."
okay, that is hard to swallow.

"YES, Ceri, he actually LIKES YOU! As a person (he's in Saturn's exaltation) and as a woman (he is ruled by Venus). "
*gulps* It is just so hard to believe that, you know?
Even though evertime I see him, I feel like there is something there.
It is nice to think that I am not completely crazy, even if it is that sort of "something" that might lead to nothing more.

posted October 08, 2011 02:57 PM            

thank you. That was EXACTLY what I needed to hear.

""Sure, a lot of action is happening there, with Neptune in your house and all, so it is easy to become confused and not know which is real and which is not."
Yes, that IS one of my biggest problems. Never sure if I can trust my perception or if I am hearing the grass grow when there is not even grass to begin with. Just the idea of grass. Can the idea of a thing be growing?
Okay, scratch that, that was a weird thought even for me. lol

"Cut through it, separate the two."
I`m trying. But it is not easy.

" The horary indicates that he will aproach you, so LET him."
He will approach ME? Is that because his significator Sun is faster than mine Saturn?.

" Allow him to get close to you and see what is actually there between you two."
Yes, I want to, I really want to. But it is like going against old habits from a decade or even two, you know?
Not really all that easy, especially when I am constantly thinking I am not seeing things as they really are.

But I am firmly wanting to just let things happen for a change, when they happen.
I still could slap myself dizzy, for not staying around last year.

It was when he was having that gig at the tavern, where I was also; but I had "calculated" the lengths of the concert and ordered a cab for afterwards.
Well, in the second half of the concert he decided that he had so much fun there, making music, (he was having two other guys, his band, with him there), that he didnīt want the night to end, and so announced that they would just conintue with a jam session after the concert, without any cost of course, just for the sheer pleasure of playing, and invited everyone there to join the fun.

Well, as I said I had preordered a cab.
of course there is no way I could have stayed then, right? No way I could maybe phone the company and order it for a few hours later. LOL
I definitely chickened out that night. Which would have been a good opportunity due to the athmosphere of the location and the fact that I already had literally ran into him that evening before the concert.

I am really my biggest enemy sometimes I guess.

"ask you to look at this like an EXPERIMENT"
I was choosing that approach, when I first approached him. But somehow I must have forgotten about it after that. Good advice though. I will try it.
I will just very scientifically analyze this. Like an experiment in a laboratory.

" He is clearly drawn to you, he even singled you out from a crowd. He enjoys your company"
Keep on saying it and I willa ctually believe it one day.
Well, I already half-believe or at least hope it.

" and he took you serious when you asked to do his horoscope. "
Yeah, still wonder what the heck has gone wrong then. Mercury retograde I think?

"d you ever think that perhaps his karmic purpose in your life was to challenge you to face, confront and eventually defeat this side of you that is preventing you from enjoying REAL life relationships instead of the ones in your head?"
Yes, actually I did think exactly this.

posted October 08, 2011 03:06 PM            

"And you know I love you too, I hope."
I was hoping so.

" Perhaps this is why I came a bit strong on you in my previous post. I wouldn't have told these things to you 2 or 3 years ago."
I wouldn`t have heard you 2 or 3 years ago. I mean, maybe heard you, but it is different now, because as you said I am in a phase of transformation.

"p out of your coccoon and emerge as a beautiful butterfly"
Interesting you used this picture. The sabian for my true Black Moon Lilith is: A butterfly emerging from a chrysalis.

"Even now, your light shines through for those who have the eyes to see,"
Thank you.

posted October 09, 2011 04:55 AM            

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He will approach ME? Is that because his significator Sun is faster than mine Saturn?.

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Yup. That's the rule, the faster planet aproaches the slower one. Get ready!

posted October 09, 2011 06:03 AM            

Unless Jude will be playing Henry IV. or Henry V. next year. Then I will have to really organize my holidays.

posted October 09, 2011 06:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Hera:
Yeah, just stay still, he will come to you lol. Don't run away this time.

Yeah, shopping! All the malls and supermarkets are open and it's less crowded on Sundays, so I prefer to shop on Sundays when I'm not on call.

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