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kanwalratan
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posted November 19, 2011 03:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kanwalratan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted November 19, 2011 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kanwalratan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'm the one born in jan.

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posted November 19, 2011 04:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you on the inside?
All these planets in the 12th house opposite his Merc, you would think it is you who is hiding from him, not him from you. You need to balance the communication styles in the relationship (his Sat conj your Merc).
Romantically wise, I can see why you can't detach. Your Venus from your 12th trines his Mars and juno. Also his Venus falls in your DC. But at the same time, your Saturn opposes his Venus. It's a mixed bag from where I sit. Definitely a karmic relationship since Saturn is so involved. Saturn brings rewards and success after a lot of hard work. There is always free will. Good luck!

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posted November 20, 2011 01:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kanwalratan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes,i'm on the inside.

thanks for the reading anongrl10, yes,there is one thing that he doesn't know but,that's not really important.....the thing is i don't understand what he's doing.....he manipulates me so easily and even when i know this i get manipulated!!!i just don't understand a thing.....

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posted November 20, 2011 06:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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the thing is i don't understand what he's doing.....he manipulates me so easily and even when i know this i get manipulated!!!i just don't understand a thing.....

Hehe... sounds like a Pisces to me... just kidding.
Perhaps you get carried away so easily with the help of this trine of his Jup in your DC (partner) to your 11th house Neptune (of hopes and wishes). Jupiter is exuberant, generous, sees the big picture and perhaps you put too much stock on his lofty words and plans as it touches your Neptune (higher octave of Venus) in the house of hopes and wishes. I was looking for a Neptune conjunction and they are close just not as close as it could be real trouble. Neptune is a bit gullible. As the ruler of Pisces it's very dreamy, esoteric and a bit unrealistic. Those rose glasses, you hear about? It's Neptune's. ;-) It's good for romantic relationships but it can be responsible for some rude awakenings if there's not enough earth in the individual chart and the synastry.
Are you 100% sure about your time of birth (yours AND his)? Because with a few minutes difference your Moon would be in orb of a tight conjunction to his Mars and Juno, a reason for major attachment and even obsession in a romantic relationship.

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posted November 20, 2011 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is Deja heavy synastry. Deja is the victim. Nessus is the abuser. Please, dialogue with me, so we both can learn!

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posted November 20, 2011 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is some wild synastry---wild. You have a lot of powerful things,together. You have Pluto conj Nessus, Jupiter and NN. Do you have to fight being abusive and obsessive? Do you feel that your primal passions are gonna go in to abuse if you don't keep a careful lid on them?

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posted November 20, 2011 08:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
His Nep and Uranus are on YOUR Deja. Do you feel like a victim with HIM, even though you are usually the "aggressor" with other people?

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posted November 20, 2011 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does he,both, love you in your most wounded place and squelch your mind and how you communicate? Please, tell me about this synastry?

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posted November 20, 2011 11:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kanwalratan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you 100% sure about your time of birth (yours AND his)? Because with a few minutes difference your Moon would be in orb of a tight conjunction to his Mars and Juno, a reason for major attachment and even obsession in a romantic relationship.
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i asked him and he said his birth time could be between 9:20 am to 9:25 am.....please see if this is valid...thanks!!

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posted November 20, 2011 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kanwalratan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
This is some wild synastry---wild. You have a lot of powerful things,together. You have Pluto conj Nessus, Jupiter and NN. Do you have to fight being abusive and obsessive? Do you feel that your primal passions are gonna go in to abuse if you don't keep a careful lid on them?



yes,this happens sometimes and i need to take care of things so he doesn't get angry...

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posted November 20, 2011 11:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kanwalratan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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His Nep and Uranus are on YOUR Deja. Do you feel like a victim with HIM, even though you are usually the "aggressor" with other people?


yes,absolutely correct!!!i just can't stand in front of him...

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posted November 20, 2011 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WOW--I will look more. The chart shows everything like an X ray

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posted November 20, 2011 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kanwalratan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Does he,both, love you in your most wounded place and squelch your mind and how you communicate? Please, tell me about this synastry?


ami,i've matching charts according to planets only...his is my first time with asteroids and all...but i did some research about nessus synastry and here it is...

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posted November 20, 2011 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kanwalratan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Nessus has to do with the awareness of our vulnerability against darkness, abuse, and emotional death. Nessus is very vulnerable, as the pilots of the Japanese kamikazes, or as "Madame Butterfly". From this come ideas or images about how someone deals with this basic frailty against the forces of darkness and death, either in yourself or in society.

Nessus is dark, and seems to go downward. Like the wings of a dragon, as opposed to Pholus, who has "wings of light", like an Angel. Nessus is like bringing out the dark so that it can be redeemed, whereas Pholus is like an overflow of one into the other...

Nessus frailty is the key to its meaning. The paradox of weakness. Saint Paul said: "for when I am weak, then I am strong". This passage of 2 Corinthians is worth mentioning here. I think it deals with Nessus:

"essus is about power dynamics and the dynamics of abuse, very important themes today in the western world, as we discover we were all abused as kids (and I mean it). Power and abuse dynamics always appear in relationships first, then they appear in one's inner emotional patterning, and the relationship pattern of that lifetime. Nessus tells us that physical abuse and psychological abuse work about the same way, and reminds us that quite often psychological abuse is more insidious because so often we don't know it's happening and we don't think it happened. One question of Nessus is, "did the abuse happen?"

Nessus can point to the circumstances that surround rape, incest, sexually transmitted diseases and, moreover, the relationship patterns that create these things. Put two charts together and you can see something about how these dynamics appear between people. Nessus can be used to investigate the lives of our parents and their relationships to others in the family. In most of our charts, Nessus is in a conjunction to another Centaur named Hylonome (hy-la-na-me).

This went on for quite a long time and represents the darker side of the 1950s and 1960s in which we were all suffering enormously as kids under the social changes of the era and our parents' frequent inability to process the lives they were somehow forced to live or not live. (This conjunction was a theme of one of the first newsletters in this series, which if I get a few requests, I will re-post).


Nessus and denial dynamics; raising awareness
Nessus speaks of two kinds of abuse: one, the insidious kind that doesn't seem like it later on. The other, the kind that was obviously so. Both are about the same thing, and yet in the not-so-obvious kind, there is the problem of not really having a sense of the scale of what happened. Abuse and neglect suffered unconsciously are that much further out of the reach of healing. Bringing them to awareness is often the last thing we want. Dealing consciously with abuse means dealing consciously with the fact of an abuser. In the case of a loved family member, or a family situation that will be challenged or totally disrupted by the fact that we were harmed by them, or by the revelation of a secret that has been guarded for generations, it's natural to be extremely reluctant to proceed, even if we really need to. Family politics can push us down and make the task seem daunting and even stupid. Especially if that abuse or neglect was just a "product of the times." Of course, often, it was much, much more.

Experiencing things as "the way things are"; Nessus as a background influence

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Nessus works much like a super-Chiron focused specifically on the dynamics of abuse. In all cases this abuse is psychological and in most it is not properly identified as what it is; rather, we experience it as "the way things are" and, more to the point, as the way WE are. But we are how we are because of the way we were treated when we were growing up.

Nessus, a centaur planet, can spill the beans on the abuse legacy we carry, both psychological and physical. It reveal the psychological dynamics of that abuse process, as well as telling us something about where it entered our reality (conjunct Mars, in the desire nature, for example; conjunct Saturn, as parental authority, and so on). Don't worry that you can't necessarily look up or interpret the meaning of the placement right away; just note its location and what it is doing (and welcome to the world of research astrology).

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posted November 20, 2011 11:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are gonna have a hard time putting your deep primal nature together with your tender, sensitive heart.You can do it, though. The chart shows that BUT HIS own primal nature is putting the same stress on your tender inner self that your own primal nature is. Does that make sense. IOW, HE is doing to you what you are struggling with yourself, so he is magnifying it. Does this make sense? How?

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posted November 20, 2011 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would say he is forcing you to face and deal with parts of yourself--your victim self, your most passionate self, your tender self, and your abusive self, which you will be forced to deal with cuz it touches your primal self, very closely. By your wanting to be with him, he "forces" you to face these things, even SEEING them, at all. Does that fit? How/how not?

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posted November 20, 2011 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kanwalratan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
HE is doing to you what you are struggling with yourself, so he is magnifying it. Does this make sense? How?

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yes,this is true...there are somethings that i always wanted to remove from myself like negative ego ,anger,etc. and with him,i've controlled them a lot....i've started understanding things from others view...also,i matched our charts according to the planets....it gave strong things romantically but, also showed a lot of bad karma that is following us from our previous births ...could this be the reason for things getting wild??

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posted November 20, 2011 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for kanwalratan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I would say he is forcing you to face and deal with parts of yourself--your victim self, your most passionate self, your tender self, and your abusive self, which you will be forced to deal with cuz it touches your primal self, very closely. By your wanting to be with him, he "forces" you to face these things, even SEEING them, at all. Does that fit? How/how not?


yes,all of this is correct.....i've discovered my real self... what i am...my character completely after he came....you know,he just makes me learn from my mistakes....now,i'm actually thinking that whatever he does is making me perfect...and so,it's good for me,isn't it???

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posted November 20, 2011 11:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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yes,all of this is correct.....i've discovered my real self... what i am...my character completely after he came....you know,he just makes me learn from my mistakes....now,i'm actually thinking that whatever he does is making me perfect...and so,it's good for me,isn't it???

I KNOW what you mean, Baby. I had one of those life changing relationships which did not last, but that has NO bearing on if yours will. Mine could not have for other reasons.

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posted November 20, 2011 12:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kanwalratan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
there's so much to tell,but i'll brief it for you.....so,we are in a relationship for 4 years and throughout this time,me and my life has changed a lot for better though he is still the same...we keep going on the best note until he lies to me and then we fight but,again we just come back together.....whatever he does ,i feel that his feeling are genuine for me......but,still sometimes i get scared!!!do you see anything that says that we would last long or something like marriage
?? both of us feel and say that but,sometimes he just becomes so elusive!!!

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posted November 20, 2011 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kanwalratan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
tell me if you need details on something specific??

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posted November 20, 2011 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kanwalratan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
can you tell me if he is devoted and loyal to me or if he will stay devoted and loyal to me???

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posted November 20, 2011 12:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Darling, that question cannot be answered cuz that would be a free will question. I see great upheaval cuz you have strong Uranus and Pluto, but that does not have to be bad, at all. It is good, really, cuz you grow and change as you are. For your question, I would go to God. I would pray and ask God to show me the way. God is bigger than the charts. He knows the future. He, alone, knows the best road for us. I think you are at that stage, now, with this relationship. Take it to God.

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posted November 20, 2011 02:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for kanwalratan     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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alright...but,can you tell me something that i can improve on my side?

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