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Topic: my guy lost his welfare status...
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lechien
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posted December 05, 2011 06:29 AM
  
what's going to happen now...? he's going around looking for jobs. he's a true artist, the kind who has absolutely no talent in working for others, or finding that type of opportunities. throughout his life, in addition to welfare money he earned by playing in a band (not just amateur), writing, and illustrating for magazines (big ones too), and working in the film industry. he has genuine talents, i've known many creative people throughout my life, amateurs and professionals and in-betweens, but he is real. just doesn't know where to find people who need his too many abilities. he just had a bad run in the last few years and lost all his contacts, then this. could someone look into what may be awaiting us now? i'm not entirely devastated, this could be an opportunity for a change after years of stagnation. but what's going to happen to our apartment, how will we manage from next month on... the landlord just raised our rent from January on too. if you would like his birth data i'll post it too. thanks so much.  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 05, 2011 08:14 AM
Why don't you put his natal up with transits, although I am a beginner with them. They seem pretty easy to figure out, if I am doing it right  ------------------
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lechien
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posted December 05, 2011 12:12 PM
Ami, i'll do that.  well, basically, now job centre can assign ANY job to him, wherever it is. so it is possible that he gets sent to work at a coal mine in a rural town no one has ever heard of, very far away from me or anything else. or a garbage pickup man, or a factory worker, or whatever. all the same, this pretty much would mean death. he's an artist. when will he be making film music and writing PhD thesis and film scripts and all that, all of which hold enormous potential? i know it's pointless to whine about it because they wouldn't differentiate between a lazy slacker who is taking advantage of the welfare money (they have been very generous here, although they started making huge cuts), and a potential artist who is struggling. but one of the reasons his progress has been slow is because of the pressure they put on him. he had to work on pleasing them, and on the side tried to finish his PhD to be a philosophy professor, and do the music and write scripts too. sure maybe too much going on, but is this a reason to give him a garbage job because he's failed to make anything happen? enough rambling. i'll go fetch his chart... IP: Logged |
lechien
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posted December 05, 2011 12:34 PM
err, ok the colours are strange... but no problem for reading the chart.  he does have that transit Pluto (his MC ruler) in 12th house conjunct AC. i hope Mars going through his Stellium house can support him and give him strength to go through this. he's the generation with Pluto opposit Chiron, and moon is conjunct it. he's had a difficult and unusual life. his talents and creativity resides at the very top of his chart, where his ruler Mercury, Pallas Athena and Karma are conjunct at 0 degree Libra, with Venus nearby. unfortunately this cluster of planets lack any major aspects from other planets... but could they get a boost when the transit Mars passes over them? thanks Ami, and if anyone else would like to take a look, please tell me anything. whether it's comforting or not...  IP: Logged |
lechien
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posted December 05, 2011 12:40 PM
I guess when Jupiter goes direct it will start trining all his Stellium planets. i hope Jupiter is mighty enough to topple all the odds?IP: Logged |
lechien
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posted December 06, 2011 05:26 AM
bumpy.i think it's the coming eclipse right opposite my Stellium. i'm really, really, feeling it, inside... i feel like i've grown out of this *relationship* and leaving him behind... i've had enough chaos, and he's a typical example of people who need to be told "be good to the person who is the closest to you". he thinks it's not necessary because i know what's going on. i'm tired... but i shall not jump to the conclusion and wait till the eclipse and merc. retro is over, and maybe until he sorts this current problem out. and i'm about to be in trouble too very soon if i don't get something started. i need to avoid going there! IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted December 06, 2011 05:55 AM
Oh, Pluto on the ASC is a biggie!
I wish I had time to look at the ephemeris for you but you can do that too. Go to astro and check Pluto for the next couple of years.
Pluto on the 12th in conj to ASC is a BIGGIE.
Once Pluto crosses over his Asc he will be MUCH better off.
His image will improve and to be honest I don't see him as a starving artist with this chart! He's a very powerful man! Not sure if he's aware of his power though. This just jumped up from his chart. No time to look deeper. I think focusing on Pluto will zero in the problems and so make the solutions obvious. Pluto is all about Change and Transformation, so go willingly into it. Resistance is truly futile with Pluto (I know from personal experience lol). Go with the flow and learn the lessons. IP: Logged |
lechien
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posted December 06, 2011 07:38 AM
anongrl, i have absolutely no clue about ephemeris...! i see the "graphical ephemeris" under special chart at astro.com, is this what you mean? i'll do a bit of research and learn how to read it, it looks like a lie-detector record to me right now.  oh my gosh but i am SO relieved that someone else sees that he is a "powerful" person. he is so humble and "good at" making himself appear like a loser to the world, that no one ever notices it. i think it's only me who sees it, and at times i start doubting whether i'm just delusional... no word like "talented" or "intelligent" would explain that, it's just that he is "powerful". and to balance it out, he also has very many faults. lol... IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted December 06, 2011 07:54 AM
Try this for this year. http://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/2000/ae_2011.pdf
Do you recognize the glyphs for each planet?
Look for the big P for Pluto and take it down to Dec, see and jot down the position of Pluto in degrees and sign.
Then go to year 2012: http://www.astro.com/swisseph/ae/2000/ae_2012.pdf
Do the same as above for each month. Best to write down things so you won't get lost or have to return multiple times.
Let me know if you make any progress.
The point of this is to see when Pluto hits his ASC exact. Pluto is going back and forth (rx and direct movements) so it's not a straightforward move and it may hit him more than once. The "crisis" feeling intensifies as Pluto approaches the ASC but the changes will start showing some direction once Pluto has crossed over to the 1st house. The 12th house is too spooky and uncomfortable for Pluto. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 06, 2011 10:04 AM
I will look at the natal, Darling ------------------
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lechien
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posted December 06, 2011 02:37 PM
ahhhhh, i get it. ok. it appears that Pluto will be on AC quite soon. 15/16th of January 2012, so in a bit over 1 month. then it will go retro and hit it again in July, on the 17th. this one scares me a bit, i have to go renew my visa around this date! then finally on the 17th of November it hits again in direct. that's within 2012. is it kind of like Saturn return going back and forth (i had that! yikes)? like it gets easier to cope with because the 1st and 2nd hits toughen up the person? IP: Logged |
lechien
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posted December 06, 2011 02:37 PM
Ami, thanks so much!!  IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 06, 2011 03:17 PM
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Originally posted by lechien:
Ami, thanks so much!!
Sorry I have not been around as much. I am learning so many lessons in my various endeavors. Write me WHENEVER you want to talk, OK?
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anongrl10
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posted December 06, 2011 03:42 PM
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Originally posted by lechien:
ahhhhh, i get it. ok. it appears that Pluto will be on AC quite soon. 15/16th of January 2012, so in a bit over 1 month. then it will go retro and hit it again in July, on the 17th. this one scares me a bit, i have to go renew my visa around this date! then finally on the 17th of November it hits again in direct. that's within 2012. is it kind of like Saturn return going back and forth (i had that! yikes)? like it gets easier to cope with because the 1st and 2nd hits toughen up the person?
Yes, like with Saturn it gets easier after the 1st and 2nd exact hit esp. if you paid attention to the lessons.
So did you find the date when Pluto crosses over the Asc and never rx'es back into the 12th? That's a big day when things will start looking better. But Pluto likes to demolish stuff in order to get rebuild later on. He may not even be the same person after this transit is over.
I don't want to stress you out unnecessarily. Just prepare for a bumpy ride. Be patient. He won't be a happy bunny. Be sure that if you survive a Pluto transit together (esp. over his Asc) you can take almost anything else!
I need to check his 8th house more closely as it's the natural home of Pluto. All planets in it will be "activated" by the Pluto hits to the Asc; like passing a test. His Sun is there, right? It's like reconciling his Cappie Asc (personality) with his Virgo Sun (essence). The 8th house is complex (sex, death, other people's money to sum it up).
OK, this is an out of the blue feeling, something might be brought to light that he was trying to hide/deny. He will be better off with the "revelation" of it -whatever it is.
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Ami Anne
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posted December 06, 2011 04:05 PM
Transit Saturn conj Mars . That sounds like it is happening.------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted December 06, 2011 04:18 PM
It seems like he has a combo of Pluto conj the ASC which would unearth all he knows about WHO he is, as a person in the external world, so to speak.Also, T mars conj the Sun which is putting energy in to his basic identity. However, Saturn is making him insecure about his drive in the Transit Saturn aspect.I think he is being hit by a lot, now.
The Juno conj Lilith looks like he may want to settle down in to a serious relationship. Does that fit in here ------------------
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lechien
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posted December 06, 2011 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by anongrl10:
So did you find the date when Pluto crosses over the Asc and never rx'es back into the 12th? That's a big day when things will start looking better.
it seems 17th of November 2012 is the last time it hit AC exact. so almost one year from now.
this is the transit for the time. don't really know what to think of it…? one thing is that t.moon is conjunct at t.Pluto/his AC.
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He may not even be the same person after this transit is over.
I don't want to stress you out unnecessarily. Just prepare for a bumpy ride. Be patient. He won't be a happy bunny. Be sure that if you survive a Pluto transit together (esp. over his Asc) you can take almost anything else!
honestly, we already feel like we went through that with the experience of last 2-3 years. it had been more than bumpy and finally, despite only superficially, started calming down in the last few months… also, it's already visible that he's not the same person any more. i just hope that, even if he isn't how he used to be, he will go back to being NICE.  he's not mean right now but he's so lost and blind. there's no room for him to care. quote:
I need to check his 8th house more closely as it's the natural home of Pluto. All planets in it will be "activated" by the Pluto hits to the Asc; like passing a test. His Sun is there, right? It's like reconciling his Cappie Asc (personality) with his Virgo Sun (essence). The 8th house is complex (sex, death, other people's money to sum it up).
OK, this is an out of the blue feeling, something might be brought to light that he was trying to hide/deny. He will be better off with the "revelation" of it -whatever it is.
8th house is where all of his planets are… oh dear, the big boy's having it hard… but yes, i see that he has some "waking up" moment in store. i have no idea what it can be, but i feel that something is coming. IP: Logged |
lechien
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posted December 06, 2011 06:02 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Sorry I have not been around as much. I am learning so many lessons in my various endeavors. Write me WHENEVER you want to talk, OK?
don't be sorry Ami! i know you're a busy girl.  thank you for being so sweet!! IP: Logged |
lechien
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posted December 06, 2011 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
It seems like he has a combo of Pluto conj the ASC which would unearth all he knows about WHO he is, as a person in the external world, so to speak.Also, T mars conj the Sun which is putting energy in to his basic identity. However, Saturn is making him insecure about his drive in the Transit Saturn aspect.I think he is being hit by a lot, now.
The Juno conj Lilith looks like he may want to settle down in to a serious relationship. Does that fit in here
it's hard to know exactly what's happening, because he doesn't talk. right now, he's just working on something very hard and we don't communicate at all. it was confusing in the beginning... having a "job" is his worst nightmare. he did say "trying not to think of how low i have come down". he's an ex-hardcore punk (not the fashion punk of these days!). "labour" for money is not written in his book. it must be one of the biggest confrontation with his ethic in his life. about settling down, i don't think that's anywhere within the periphery of his mind at the moment... he's only thinking about surviving. the only reason we are still "together" is because i'm staying. but i know he'll thank me for it one day. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 06, 2011 06:21 PM
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Originally posted by lechien:
it's hard to know exactly what's happening, because he doesn't talk. right now, he's just working on something very hard and we don't communicate at all. it was confusing in the beginning... having a "job" is his worst nightmare. he did say "trying not to think of how low i have come down". he's an ex-hardcore punk (not the fashion punk of these days!). "labour" for money is not written in his book. it must be one of the biggest confrontation with his ethic in his life.about settling down, i don't think that's anywhere within the periphery of his mind at the moment... he's only thinking about surviving. the only reason we are still "together" is because i'm staying. but i know he'll thank me for it one day.
Yes, I think he will! I do! Thanks for understanding, Darling Girl.
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lechien
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posted December 06, 2011 06:56 PM
Ami. but OMG anongrl, i just remembered something! my progressed chart AC is conjunct his Natal AC. that means in progression, i am ALSO going though t.12th house Pluto conjunct AC.  all makes sense now.  IP: Logged |
lechien
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posted December 06, 2011 07:03 PM
my progressed AC is at 9'37 Capricorn. t.Pluto gets closest to it next April at 9'34, but goes back out again and won't conjunct exactly until January 2013. it'll hit me again in the summer and winter 2013.in progression, my Saturn is also in the 8th house too... well, it's not gonna be in 1 1/2 years, so for now i pretend i saw nothing... IP: Logged |
lechien
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posted December 07, 2011 03:57 PM
bumping. IP: Logged |
anongrl10
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posted December 07, 2011 05:54 PM
quote:
Originally posted by lechien:
but OMG anongrl, i just remembered something!my progressed chart AC is conjunct his Natal AC. that means in progression, i am ALSO going though t.12th house Pluto conjunct AC. all makes sense now.
Wow!
Good job digging that up!
I like how you two are in sync. Not to be glib; it's just best when a couple is going through some things together. Witnessing a hard transit does not mean you feel it or are able to empathize at all. When you get through things in parallel, it's easier to stay together methinks.
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anongrl10
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posted December 07, 2011 05:55 PM
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Originally posted by lechien:
in progression, my Saturn is also in the 8th house too... well, it's not gonna be in 1 1/2 years, so for now i pretend i saw nothing...
I like how you decided to pretend you saw nothing.
Can I borrow the same technique? It would be extremely useful in my current predicament.   IP: Logged |
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