posted December 09, 2011 10:19 AM            

Add Lilith and Eros, too, if you can.

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posted December 09, 2011 11:16 AM            

KAALI and LUCIFER would be "top asteroids" there, too.

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posted December 09, 2011 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I`d suggest HEKATE as well, if you fear there might be some occult manipulation going on. (Hekate has also her good sides, do not get me wrong. But as the goddess of crossroads and one of the few who can travel through the underworld AND the upper world and eart as well, she has the potential to be destructive as well).

KAALI and LUCIFER would be "top asteroids" there, too.

Any of these has their strengths as well, though.

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Could you write a little about each of these for me, if you care to.

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posted December 10, 2011 03:20 PM            

BUT I want to stress, that they really are just about power. Power in itself is neutral, it depends what someone does with the given power and influence. Every one has a choice!

Having said that:
Hekate is associated with magic, and she is a goddess of the night / darkness.
Kaali can on the one hand indicate strong Kundalini and psychic powers, but apparently if getting out of hand, can be quite destructive, as in "ritualistic abuse", but that is ONLY the darkest possibility, so it really does not have to be the way.
But she produces so much psychic and also sexual energy, that there is a need of great selfidscipline to channel her in healing ways.

Lucifer, well, this one is marked with a (false) sense of superiority, that might mark his "fall from grace".
pride and selfcentred arrogance are his flaws, though on a positive note there is a certain independency from authorities, and not blindly obeying.
BUT the shadow side is that Lucifer MAKES HIMSELF the new authority!
I guess Lucifer can be about temptation, too. Temptation around power maybe, a feeling of "self-grandness".

NOw the constellation that got my attention is the triple conjunction of LUCIFER, HEKATE and Jupiter in Leo in the father`s chart, which sits on the SN, with Deja conjunct NN. Quinkunx Uranus on 5 Cap exact.
and Uranus squares Nessus on 6 Libra.

Sabians:
LUCIFER: A Formally Dressed Elderly Man Stands Near Trophies He Brought Back From A Hunting Expedition

HEKATE and Jupiter:
A Conservative, Old-Fashioned Lady Is Confronted By A "Hippie" Girl

NN.
A Child Is Seen Being Born Out Of An Egg

Deja:
A Masked Figure Performs Ritualistic Acts In A Mystery Play
(Let`s not forget, Deja was not ONLY a victim, but had quite some magical skills herself)

Uranus:
Ten Logs Lie Under An Archway Leading To Darker Woods

Nessus:
A Woman Feeding Chickens And Protecting Them From The Hawks

I am really not good enough to interprete "dark influences" and I suggest you ask IQ about it, he is far more skilled than anyone I know.

But, I will be honest, I do not like that planetary figure.

It seems like he is being torn between being selfish or being protective, and Pride, especially hurt pride, could be his biggest downfall or at least temptation. Lucifer-hekate and Jupiter are even in Leo!

Uranus seems to play a rather unpleasant role here, and it is in the house of his original family, could very well represent his mother. There is something "unclear" about her, as if a part of her is in shadow or not seen for what it really is. Manipulation would fit.

And the Sabian of Deja emphasises that there is some "hidden" influence, that he may be is not even aware of himself.

But as I said, I really suck at interpretations of the "dark side".

EDIT:
BTW it looks like a karmic scenario between the three of you with
his Uranus, your Child and Uranus, and the child`s Pluto all on about 5 Capricorn!

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I am having a hard time getting a read on Hekate. Sorry to hijack your thread, Sweetie.
I am glad Ceri gave you some wonderful help. I will look some more, too.

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Asteroids can keep one busy, forever. There are , always, new ones to learn. There are,always, exciting ways that the asteroids play out in charts. The asteroid Lucifer is the story of pride. The” myth” asteroids follow the myths from which they are derived. One must hone down the myth to a few central themes. Then,one has the meaning to which one may apply the chart. Lucifer wanted to be number one. He was the most beautiful being ever created. He was not an ugly creature, as some people surmise. He had illuminating beauty such that one ‘s breath would be taken away. Lucifer wanted to be God. Lucifer saw men worship God and he wanted the worship for himself. He rebelled against God. That was not a wise move and it sealed his fate, forever. His final destination is the Lake of Fire. Pride brought Lucifer to this. He was not happy with his portion. He wanted all the power and all the glory. As such, he fell to nothing. The asteroid Lucifer, in the chart, will show where you have inordinate pride.

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posted December 13, 2011 02:57 PM            

He has a strong Nessus, which is the abuser energy. He has a strong victim energy, too. This may be that he needs to learn the lessons of victimhood, in this lifetime.
TRUST YOURSELF if you sense danger which you must if you asked the question.
I will see if the child's chart hits any of these places in his chart. If not, the worry would not be as great. If so, it would be, imo.

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posted December 13, 2011 03:23 PM            

making myself the new authority is spot on. it has not been my conscious will necessarily, but throughout life i have rebelled against authority. it's just something inside me, i'm not an activist or anything. teachers loathed me but i was just an innocent child following her heart. as an adult, i do not belong to the society but it is also not my conscious choice.

then there are times ("have been", i have improved much) i get so consumed by my truth and i become arrogant and stubborn. i would not accept anyone else's views as nearly as clever as mine. this often was caused by the fact people didn't understand me. but now i have found a soulmate who shares the same wavelength as mine, and i am much much calmer.

posted December 13, 2011 03:25 PM            

that is just awful. I am really shocked by this behaviour of the child`s father`s mother.
That is just, ... well I am at a loss for words actually.
I got the feeling you have to stay VERY strong and stable and adamant.

Ami,

yes, I agree on the father`s chart. I did not want to cry alarm and maybe overinterprete things, but there is so much in the dark and in the shadows, and it doesn`t feel good to me.
But maybe I am too subjective and just imagining things.
But the image I got when seeing his chart was a dark cloud surrounding his head and shoulders. Like a veil almost.
Maybe I have been reading too much fiction though.

It does not really have anything to do with astrology, but sometimes when looking at a chart I get these images, and I often do not know what to do with them.

Those planets in the 12th house, including retro Mercury - there is too much hidden from view, operating from the subconscious (I do not think he is aware of that though)

And that Moon is quinkunx Deja/NN exact in 5th house (of children).
Well, quinkunx can be a good aspect, a magical aspect, but here in this case I do not get a good vibe from it at all.
It just adds more insecurities and hidden things.
I think it cannot be that good aspect here, because there is also the opposition to Hekate-Lucifer.

Well there is a clear theme of 5 degree aspects.
I wonder where his DNA is in his chart.

Anyway we have.
Moon: 5 Virgo

Hekate/Jupiter: 5 leo

mean BML: 5 Sag

Uranus: 5 Cap

Deja: 5 Aqua

funnily this makes five signs which have planets / asteroids on 5 degrees - and if you add these numbers you get the number of asteorid DNA. lol

Anyway, yes every of these has a meaning as for the Sabians:

Moon: 5 Virgo
A Merry-Go-Round

Hekate/Jupiter: 5 leo
A Conservative, Old-Fashioned Lady Is Confronted By A "Hippie" Girl

mean BML: 5 Sag
A Game Of Cricket
(Someone seems to be "playing" a game here and showing a socially compatible face, even though it may could the true intentions)

Deja: 5 Aqua
A Masked Figure Performs Ritualistic Acts In A Mystery Play

uranus: 5 Cap
Ten Logs Lie Under An Archway Leading To Darker Woods

Especially the last two Sabians seem to indicate that something is "foul".
I really wished IQ would have a say on this one.

Anyway Hekate:
she relates to witchcraft, magic, can be white or black magic.
And she is the goddess of "crossroads", the crone, often present in phases of one`s life where there is a "turn", birth, or also often death.

She bestows occult insights, wisdom and so on, but unfortunately it seems that she also is very prominent in the "dark emanations" of that power. Though it is always the person´s choice if she uses insights and powers for good or ill.

Well, I do have an affinity with her, even long before I knew that I have HEKATE and LILITH (asteroid) conjunct (pluso Rudra being there as well, all the "darkies" together in 6-8 Virgo. lol), and this is trine my Venus/ISIS/OSIRIS on 6-8 Cap and trine LUCIFER on 6 Taurus.

And Draco Hekate and Draco Lilith fall onto my tropical Sun/Mercury/Merlin/Reiki/Circe/Sekhmet on the GC. lol