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Knowflake

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posted December 12, 2011 08:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for toptops     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have just found out that he is in relationship with that girl .

I tried to ask the most straightforward horary question.

That is the chart.

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posted December 12, 2011 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for toptops     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okkkk, as I am trying to dig into it myself while waiting for the expirienced I am researching and learnign about horary and so far I have the following:

- tha chart generated has none of the signs that would point to it being unsuitable for reading;

- the significator of the person asking the question is the planet that rules the sing on the cusp of the 1st = I see that as the ruler of the Asc which is in Taurus, so I should be Venus.

Now I will read further.

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posted December 12, 2011 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for toptops     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, the significator of the question that actually equals the man himself is next.

I think the matter of separation and transformation ia s 8th house issue but still the basis is relationship. Hmmm...anyway both 7th & 8th houses have mainly Sag so I would assign Jupiter to my question=the man.

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posted December 12, 2011 10:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are Venus and Moon. (ruler of 1st house is always the querent and sec. ruler is MOon)
He is Mars and Sun (any "He" without further characterization of the relationship is in the 7th house and its ruler; Sun represents his sexual Self).
She is Mercury and Saturn. (Mercury rules his 8th house of intimate relationship, and saturn rules his 5th house of romantic interests).

BTW Moon also always represents the "course of events" and her last aspect might indicate the final outcome.

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EDIT:
You have put yourself into the question, so
it became a triangle question.

If you had asked: Will he leave her? the contribution of sig`s might have been a tad different.

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posted December 12, 2011 10:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for toptops     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cery, so I got at least the beginning right.

OK, I will mark myself the way you have determined His and Hers significators.

As to the edit well I am interested in my position/situation so not putting myself into it would have been pointless. If he has no inclinations about me if it is going to be her or anybody else doesn't really makes a difference to me.

now I will look into the aspects of Venus& Moon with SUn& Mars and than you pls tell me if I am right.

P.S. Besides the obvious question I am trying to learn too .

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posted December 12, 2011 10:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your main sig is in Capricorn, ruled by Saturn (her) and in the exaltation of Mars (him).

It indicates that she might be very strong in your thoughts currently; the fact that Mars is exalted in Capricorn indicates that you are quite taken with him, maybe to the point of not seeing things too clearly (the exaltation is very enthusiastic).

If she is represented by Saturn, she is also ruled by you. Does she know about you?
And she doesn`t really like Mars (him) right now. Mars is in fall or detriment in Libra. Negative indicator.

What about him?

Mars is in Virgo, ruled by Mercury, in the fall / detriment of Venus. That doesn´t really look good for you to be honest.
If she is ruled by mercury he likes her quite a lot, though she may not reciprocrate his feelings currently.

But at the same time Sun is in Sag, and Mercury is in detriment there and SAturn in fall. Maybe his sexual attraction to her died?


Unfortunately there are no strong dignities in relation to your sigs though.


Mars has no aspect to her sigs - though that means there is no answer possible, either no contact or no official separation (separations are usually indicated through oppositions, though not always)

Sun is approaching a sextile to Saturn, but this might take a while to perfect.

Before that is going to happen, your sec. sig Moon is sextiling his Mars, so there might be a positive contact between the two of you.

The attraction aspect - Venus trine Mars- is in the past though.


Moon`s last aspect is actually a square to Saturn. Mmh, I wonder what that means, a conflict you are going to have with her?
Or if we consider Moon as "course of events" indicating the separation?


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posted December 12, 2011 10:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
sorry, did not see that you wanted to continue. Shall I delete my previous post?

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posted December 12, 2011 10:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for toptops     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Moon and Venus are Opposite
Sun and Mars are Opposite

Does that means something by itself? Probably that we are both drawn to two sides (two possible mates?).

As to Him represented by Mars it is ok trine and sextile to both Me's.

What the green line between SUn and Venus means I have no clue.

Moon and Venus square Merc and Sat, pretty logical actually, although we have never met each other.

The only contact they have is a square between Sun and MErc

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posted December 12, 2011 10:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for toptops     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Of course NO. GO on.


quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
sorry, did not see that you wanted to continue. Shall I delete my previous post?

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posted December 12, 2011 11:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for toptops     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Your main sig is in Capricorn, ruled by Saturn (her) and in the exaltation of Mars (him).

It indicates that she might be very strong in your thoughts currently; the fact that Mars is exalted in Capricorn indicates that you are quite taken with him, maybe to the point of not seeing things too clearly (the exaltation is very enthusiastic).

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Yesterday I have seen a photo of them two on a celebration that has taken place on Saturday. I have never seen her before. I don't have relationship with him (probably should have pointed that earlier). We are madly attracted to each other but one contact in sinastry is making me worried - His Neptune conjucts my Venus - so yes I am unfortunately prone to idealisation and fantasy and illusion towards him.
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If she is represented by Saturn, she is also ruled by you. Does she know about you?
And she doesn`t really like Mars (him) right now. Mars is in fall or detriment in Libra. Negative indicator.

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I wouldn't say she knows about me, we have crossed no lines(except in our imaginations) and will not as far as it concerns me - I don't do that. So there is not really a fact for her to know.
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What about him?

Mars is in Virgo, ruled by Mercury, in the fall / detriment of Venus. That doesn´t really look good for you to be honest.
If she is ruled by mercury he likes her quite a lot, though she may not reciprocrate his feelings currently.

But at the same time Sun is in Sag, and Mercury is in detriment there and SAturn in fall. Maybe his sexual attraction to her died?

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No clue.
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Unfortunately there are no strong dignities in relation to your sigs though.

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Mars has no aspect to her sigs - though that means there is no answer possible, either no contact or no official separation (separations are usually indicated through oppositions, though not always)

Sun is approaching a sextile to Saturn, but this might take a while to perfect.

Before that is going to happen, your sec. sig Moon is sextiling his Mars, so there might be a positive contact between the two of you.

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Sounds logical, we will probably meet sometime this month.
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The attraction aspect - Venus trine Mars- is in the past though.

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If this one is right, you will indeed surprise me.
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Moon`s last aspect is actually a square to Saturn. Mmh, I wonder what that means, a conflict you are going to have with her?

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I don't really see any possibility for this - we have never met, we don't know each other.
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Or if we consider Moon as "course of events" indicating the separation?

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Is it very bad of me to want this deep down? I will though, as already said, cross no lines. It is a faith I have that you don't get what you don't do to others.


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posted December 12, 2011 12:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Only applying aspects count, so:

Moon sextile Mars - yes
Venus trine Mars - no (Ve is separating from Mars)

Venus semisextiles Mars - a minor aspect, but is not being counted


There is no aspect between their significators, but keeping your question in mind, it could simply mean that nothing relating to your question is going to. happen.
Plus in relationshp horaries the dignities are exgtremely important.


Moon is going to eventually square Saturn, but is still clearly out of orb.
And yes, Venus is squaring Saturn, though the orb is wide.

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posted December 12, 2011 12:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for toptops     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dear Cery,

Thank You very much for the time and efforts!

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