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stumpme
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posted January 22, 2012 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stumpme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My chart has some weird karma, can you help me figure this out?!

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posted January 22, 2012 02:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stumpme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted January 22, 2012 03:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Stumpme,

Your moon is packed with squares and squares are karmic and the moon represents the mother so I would say you have lots of karma with mother.

How is your relationship with mother? It seems based on chart like she really hurt you!

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posted January 22, 2012 04:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In addition you have a cap stellium involving 5 planets in your 7th cusp and one in your sixth so relationship karma I would think! and that combined with mother issues I would say that if you are male it must be tough on the relationships at times until you master your karmic lessons.

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posted January 22, 2012 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Since one of those cap planets fall in the 6th and most in the 7th perhaps there is some karma in relationships involving inequality or you putting work first since cap rules the 10th house.

I could definitely see you working in partnership with who you are involved with romantically. I bet you make money and do better by working with a partner.

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posted January 22, 2012 04:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You have Venus conjunct Saturn:

On a personal level, these people hold back free expression of their feelings, especially with regard to expressions of love. Mind you, they are masters of compromise, duty, and responsibility to their mates, and it is through this dedication that they do in fact express their love. Often, there is some form of deprivation in the childhood, associated with either mother or father, or both. Most commonly, the child absorbs something from the parents' relationship that results in a deep sense of obligation towards the mate and emotional reserve. Fear of letting go, enjoying the moment, and expressing love openly is strong. Although this aspect in classical astrology is associated with a delayed marriage or loneliness, I see it much more frequently in the charts of people who do indeed "partner", often early, and who stick to the relationship through thick and thin. Often, they are lonely even though they are partnered. Commonly as well, they bend to a demanding partner much of their lives. There is fear associated with love, and many people with this position struggle with a lack of confidence. One of their greatest fears is rejection. Another reason why they might remain loyal to a challenging marriage can be a fear of letting down family and of what he or she feels would be a blow to the reputation. Sometimes, material concerns are connected with relationships. Some stick to relationships because they give them a sense of material security. Self-sacrifice is extremely common with this position. However, even though they crave more than anything to be loved unconditionally, their conviction that they won't get that kind of love keeps them from really trying to find it. With Saturn, there is a simultaneous fear of failure and fear of success that keeps people from feeling free or brave enough to go after what they truly want.

There can be a somewhat detached manner, and many people with this aspect (especially men) can come across as skeptical, matter-of-fact, and even superficial on a social level. They are masters at protecting their feelings, and do whatever they can to avoid letting others know of their vulnerabilities. Of course, this kind of defense mechanism further prevents them from finding happiness in love. It is so very hard for them to let down their defenses. They'll need to really know where they stand with you before they can feel at least somewhat safe. Negative expectations in love must be handled in order to begin work on handling this aspect. The good news with Saturn is that its energy is handled better with time and maturity. These people should make a conscious effort to evaluate their behavior. If they admit to themselves that they do in fact want and need to be loved by a partner, they can work on slowly dropping their defenses. For example, keeping loved ones at arm's length and pretending that you are just fine on your own isn't going to encourage intimacy. Jumping to negative conclusions or withdrawing emotionally when an expression of warmth is not received exactly as you intended is not going to help either. It's also a good idea to examine the choice of partners. There can be an unconscious attraction to people who love you for all the wrong reasons--for superficial or material reasons. Maintaining "business-like" love relationships somehow keeps people with these aspects feeling safe, but they unfortunately perpetuate a deep feeling of loneliness and unworthiness.

With the conjunction, and especially with supporting aspects from other planets, these people have every opportunity to advance in their chosen career. Business sense is strong, especially in the areas of finance and the arts. Commitment, whether to a pet project, a job, a business, or a person, is characteristic.

Alternate interpretations:

*Intimacy does not come easily to you and you may appear cold or unfeeling to others due to your emotional reserve and caution. Perhaps due to painful relationships and separations in your early life, you do not trust others very easily and it takes a long time to take down all of your barriers and defenses. You may feel that you have few friends or people that really care about you. You need to learn to value and love yourself more and to express your appreciation for others more openly.

#You are reserved. You don't jump into a spiritual practice any more than you jump into a love relationship. You may do best with a spiritual teacher who is much older or younger than yourself. You accept endings as a necessary part of life. From the Your Spiritual Path report.
http://cafeastrology.com/natal/venussaturnaspects.html

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posted January 22, 2012 04:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amelia28     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You really do have a lot of karma with relationships, love and women! I am sorry and it stems from relationship with parents, specially mother it seems. Would love to hear your story.

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posted January 22, 2012 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by stumpme:
My chart has some weird karma, can you help me figure this out?!

Karma & planets +retrograde http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=290 http://karma.astrology.com/pastlife.html

your venus is retrograde AND afflicted by conjunction to saturn. This suggests feelings of being unloved from early childhood, thereby making you caustious, slow in romance and finances..

quote:

Venus Retrograde
* reconsiders before expressing love or affection
* relates awkwardly to others
* doubts the love others offer
* can become obsessed in relationships
* feels let down by the commitment level of others

Jupiter Retrograde
* has doubts about what they deserve and so ...
* finds it easy to settle for crumbs
* feels superior in some way inside
* abundance is felt on the inside
* looks inside for answers to religious questions http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/retrogradeplanets.htm#neprx


Saturn and mercury should be interpreted as if in 7th house as they are within 5'orb of house cusp... this also suggests a lack of confidence in communications.

Jupiter retro is also handle for bucket chart.
Bucket chart http://www.myastrologybook.com/Bucket-planetary-pattern-astrology.htm http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/bucket.html http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_astrology#Aspect_patterns http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/funnel.html http://www.astrococktail.com/planetaryorderIII.html

stelliums in houses http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080418162943AA1TzLE http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/stellium_grandquintile.shtml http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33102 http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2010/02/19/a-few-last-insights-into-stelliums-from-readers/

your sun is also a singleton ie: only planet in air element

Saturn conj Neptune http://astrologyforthesoul.com/billstreett/satnepgestalt.html http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_CONJUNCTION_OR_PARALLEL_TO_SATURN

Saturn conj/square/opposite neptune can show a fear of the unknown..although these are generational planets, posited in bottom left quadrant makes them felt internally...It can also be linked to depression when triggered and/or having your childhood dreams crushed by father, males and/or authority figures.

moon square mercury can sometimes suggest sleep problems?
venus square moon suggests women you are attracted to may not fulfil you emotionally and vice versa

sun square pluto shows problems relating to father http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sunaspects.html#suspl

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