posted January 28, 2012 06:22 AM            

I had one brief marriage and a few failed relationships and I am hoping someone can see if there is something in my natal chart that shows if I am "not marriage material"
or if there is something in my charts that dooms my relationships with men?

I've seen reference to the marriage asteroids on this site so I thought I could find some answers there

Thanks in anticipation...

posted January 28, 2012 02:37 PM            

Your chart is a blueprint of your personality, facets and penchants and the whole chart is 'potential' for development. There is nothing guaranteed or fatalistic in charts, I do believe we still do have free will. I also believe we chose our parents and childhood circumstances best suited to learning those Lessons in the best way we can.

I think it's worth bearing in mind that the natal chart, like solar returns is all about 'potential' but as we all know we don't always fulfil that potential do we.

It's like someone saying you can predict death, but with modern medicine and sciences the way they are and the potential to 'die' three times in a life, doesn't mean to say you will does it

I think lots of people have unrealistic expectations about what astrology can and can't do. astrology is an 'art, science and craft' and not clairvoyance either. If there were a formula or signature, don't you think we would ALL be using it?

Basic astrology forum, How to approach Synastry http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000667.html

now ruler of 1st and 7th (marriage) are pluto and venus and they don't make any aspect. Taurus/venus ruler of 7th is afflicted with square to neptune. Rose tinted glasses and unrealistic expectations in romance and finances.

Venus Quincunx Uranus
Learning to let go of the past means being willing to release relationships you have outgrown. Further, you need to reevaluate the way you imprison yourself in mindless routines, then revolt against them. Different is not improvement necessarily, yet change is integral to development. Learning to abruptly alter circumstances without emotional turmoil is the way of growth. You need freedom through relationships, not freedom from relationships. http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/q...retations.html

“indicating that you often neglect your own desires to satisfy others. When you do something to please yourself, you know you have earned it because of the sacrifices involved. Others seem to feel that you have an obligation to indulge their needs. You comply, but not without bitterness. By over reacting with sympathy and understanding, you burden yourself with their problems. In other words, learn to mind your own business. You have a strong desire to communicate, but this should not be confused with "buying" their friendship by doing favours. Meet others only halfway until you know they are sincere.”
From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag

mars quincunx Saturn– hard aspects
this suggest they will suffer in relationships and couldn't do anything about it and probably won't understand why either...

There is *something* about taking action (mars) that is at odds with saturn. But I think with the quincunx there is less *conscious awareness* of these two energies and how they act, that's why their lack of understand comes in. They act in a certain way and dont' understand why they 'get back' the reactions that they do, if that makes sense?

I think with the mainstream, hard aspects there IS more conscious awareness of the energies and how the act and 'have to' blend but with the quincunx it seems like it's harder to see/recognise and blend.

Mars Quincunx Saturn
“Your sense that only you can do something right is lodged in your imbalanced self picture. Too much work and too little spectrum of relating leaves you feeling slightly victimized by life. You create your own limits. Slowing down and quieting down helps you see this. You need a better sense of time, then you achieve better results with less effort. You can do this as soon as you are more balanced in your outlook and your judgment works in a less comparative mode.” http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

Sometimes these quincunxs (aka Inconjuncts 150’) are obvious and recognised in personality, other times it can take a lot of self examination to identify with the planets energies and of course they (like all aspects) don't operate 100% of the time, they are simply a facet of your personality. Some say they cause health issues that are unresolved, underlying, dormant waiting to be triggered.... some say you stay at one end, to the detriment of the other, OR end up see-sawing between the two until you learn balance, integration of two unlikely pairings.

Next look at the signs, then houses and then aspects. Now the *others aspects* from these quincunxs/Yods as they can act like escape routes, that can help or hinder the expressions. A chart with lots of Yods (Finger of God) will always be *searching* for the divine answers to the meaning of life, to find synthesis
What tends to happen with quincunxs is that with progessions and transits will create temporary Yods aka 'Finger of god' configurations. Like with common TSquares, they create a temp Grand Square...

having mars stuck in 12th is not great for taking direct actions, but is helped by square to jupiter, adding bit confidence. mars here suggests you had problems taking actions, perhaps you were a real handful with temper tantrums to match and just sent to your room to cool off. Thereby learning takng direct action didn't really bring or get the effects you wanted.

Ruler of the Sixth House in the Twelfth House
"You're willing to work hard helping other people. Remember, though, that your health and well-being could very well depend on your ability to say no. Learn to draw some boundaries on your time and energies.
There might be some family karma issues that stem from past lives scenarios that will be worked out in this lifetime. Forgiveness may be the key. Too much worry and concern over details can actually create your own undoing. Perfection is a fine thing to seek, but compulsive attitudes can prevent you from finishing what you start." http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr6

posted January 28, 2012 11:32 PM            

Thanks for such a detailed response.

Yep the charts are sbout potential and I do have the sense that mine is self-limiting

What does this mean for me: "ruler of 1st and 7th (marriage) are pluto and venus and they don't make any aspect. Taurus/venus ruler of 7th is afflicted with square to neptune."

You are right on target about me immersing myself in mindless routines. If I must be honest these routines are my comfort zone yet I become desperately unhappy because they limit me so much. Change is scary but my life has been full of changes (that I would have avoided if I could) but that looking back I can see have made my life better

Yes I do put others before myself in love relationships and do too much just in case they dont love me enough and eventually I pull back. I think I may have to find middle ground.

I'm impatient with myself I guess.

I dont know much about Yods. Do i have this? I do find myself obsessed with searching for answers a lot.

I don't recall having temper tantrums in childhood. I was too afraid, I had a very strong willed mum who "put me in my place" and stamped her authority

And again YES, I dont understand the reactions I get.

This has been an amazing interpretation. THANK YOU for all your time and effort!

posted January 29, 2012 01:37 PM            

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What does this mean for me: "ruler of 1st and 7th (marriage) are pluto and venus and they don't make any aspect. Taurus/venus ruler of 7th is afflicted with square to neptune."

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thanks for your kind words...

the square to venus/neptune is unrealistic expectations, rose tinted glasses, in romance and finances.

Venus square Neptune
"Venus is square Neptune in your horoscope. This aspect may show subconscious difficulties in close interpersonal relationships. It's hard for you to maintain close relationships because of defense mechanisms that go up when you sense that you are being challenged. Rose-colored glasses or blinders may affect your judgment in matters of the heart, and perhaps also to your financial affairs, as well. You are likely to be shy and retiring with the opposite sex, at least more so than shown by other indicators in your chart. Often this aspect shows a lack of direct or a degree of dishonesty or subterfuge associated in marital affairs." http://www.skyscript.co.uk/venusaspects.html#vesne

"Venus square or opposition Neptune
This aspect indicates a suggestible romantic nature. Being "in love with love" is a strong possibility. Natives with hard Venus-Neptune aspects are naturally compassionate and are generally willing to go over the top for a loved one. It's hard to say whether their expectations in personal relationships are too high or too low. On the one hand, they tend to easily accept behaviors in their partners that others wouldn't accept, as they are compassionate and even drawn to people who others might consider trouble. On the other hand, their romantic dreams may be so powerful that they are easily disappointed with the reality of relationships. Deception in love is possible, but self-deception is even more likely." http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/venusneptuneaspects.html

to read the full article just click on link

posted January 30, 2012 09:20 AM            

What tends to happen with quincunxs is that with progessions and transits will create temporary Yods aka 'Finger of god' configurations. Like with common TSquares, they create a temp Grand Square...

posted January 31, 2012 01:36 AM            

Thanks for this I do have some questions and I would love the opportunity to get your insights on a few things. I will post soon, its just a crazy day at work for me today

Thanks for investing all this time and effort to my question.

posted February 01, 2012 12:23 AM            

How will I know when one of these temporary Yods happens? What can I expect in my life then?

posted February 14, 2012 09:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Natsukashii:
Hi again SaggiMC

How will I know when one of these temporary Yods happens? What can I expect in my life then?

Thank you!

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If you want to learn how to use an ephemeris try here.. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42496

here is my favourite online ephemeris which plots where the planets are for hundreds of years...

so venus is at 23'55" aquarius, so the quincunx sign to aquarius are virgo and cancer,yes? now your quincunx to uranus is in virgo to when a transit, secondary progressions or solar arc gets to cancer around the same degree + or - 3' it will create a temporary Yod. The most important part of yods is the apex planet, so in your case would be venus.

now mars quincunx saturn, the quincunx signs to saturn in pisces are libra and leo and you libra mars creates one quincunx so the other leg would be something in Leo around same degree..

now, if we look at this from the 'other end' we see the quincunx signs for libra are taurus and pisces. So again anything in taurus around same degree would also create another temp Yod. now T Jupiter is currently in Taurus and your mars is 24' and maybe towards end or next year T Jupiter will get to this degree+ or - 3' and this will create another temp yod.
Do the same for virgo uranus..

This is why it's important how to use an ephemeris and plot these times

Info on Yod’s http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TheYod15.5.htm http://asphodelea.com/yods.html http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_yod.shtml http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yod_(astrology) http://realastrologers.com/?p=331 http://medicalastrologybyeileennauma...t-and-yod.html http://thezodiac.com/yod.htm http://medicalastrologybyeileennauman.blogspot.com/2009/03/inconjunct-aspect-and-yod.html http://aliceportman.com/?p=452

they are also called *Finger of God* aspects..
If someone has the ‘generational Pluto sextile neptune’ (born after 1940) then there is always a possibility of creating a temporary Yod with quicker moving planets, progressions, solar arcs even and difficult situations where you could be forced into making decisions and worrying that you have made the wrong one. Saturn, Uranus are generational to and unless these two fall in first quadrant (the most personal) the may not even be felt if they create a temporary Yod…this could be *transformation through suffering* type aspect

Thread by R4ven on Astrologyweekly.com on Yods

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Some of what you may feel/experience are:
• things which happen out of the blue, and these things affect us, but are not created by us.
• being faced with impossible choices, but where we are forced into choose something
• a feeling of having been wronged in some way, and that we `don't deserve this' to be happening to us.
• feeling like we're on a continual search for something in our lives, although we don't know what this `something' is.
• well-made plans being interrupted, or even hijacked totally
• difficulty in coping within formal education systems - eg. as in being given limited time frames in which to complete tasks (this can create high stress levels in anyone with a yod)
• the yod itself does not provide any clear direction in life.
• those with unaspected planets will have difficulty in using it effectively when put under pressure.
• walking a different path, feeling `different' from others can lead to deep feelings of insecurity, and perhaps even believing themselves to have been `born into the wrong family'. (This one freaked me out a bit, since I spent much of my childhood believing this...)
• with an unaspected planet, in childhood the over-developed effects of the planet may be suppressed in some way by parents. (eg. my brother has an unaspected `duet' between Mars and Jupiter. As a child he `bounced off the walls' and was a real handful. My mother took him to the Dr and he was put on some kind of sedative to calm him down. Eventually he became a successful athlete, and so this became a channel for his excessive energy.)
• unconsciously developing towards future activities - perhaps over a period of years - without being aware of this.
• a sense that one is a Spiritual Warrior, as you find that what seems to satisfy others in life in no way is satisfactory for you - that you are searching for `something more'.

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