posted January 28, 2012 11:28 AM            

My planets have bad aspects with his ruler Mercury – so we tend to fight a lot, but its usually concerning some unimportant themes so its constructive – we tend to learn a lot from each other through our debates. I am afraid that when our relationship moves on to another level (when we have children) I am afraid that we can have really heated arguments concerning important subjects..

We love each other VERY much! And in synastry we have some nice aspects such as:
my Sun sextile his Moon
my Moon trine his Saturn
my Venus conjunct his Venus (both of us have Venus in Cancer in our natal charts)
my Saturn (my ruler) sextile his Ascendant
my Neptune sextile his Saturn
my Ascendent trine his Mercury (his ruler)

In composite our strongest aspects are:
Sun trine Saturn 0°31'
Moon semisqure Venus 0°53'
Sun conjunct Venus 2°50'

We have Uranus in the 1st composite house and Sun inconjuct Uranus is very strong 0°10' and Mars inconjuct Uranus at 2°23' so that means instability but then
we have Sun trine Saturn 0°31' - wich is a sign for stability, also Venus trine Saturn 3°22' and Mars trine Saturn 2°02' - so can these aspects compensate for the problems that Uranus will cause, or have I misinterpreted them as stability?

We have Chiron/NN conjunction in the 7th composite house in Gemini, so our relationship looks very fated and we have Saturn and Pluto in 12th so it seems that it will change us and that we will learn a lot from this relationship, again Im not sure if Im interpreting it right..

Am I on the right path or am I completely dellusional believing that this could work out?

Here are the charts:

SYNASTRY: he is on the outside

COMPOSITE:

posted January 28, 2012 12:03 PM            

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posted January 28, 2012 02:59 PM            

have you reduced the orb ratio down to 40% as the max orb from planet to planet is 3'

the link above gives explanations on composites but you can get a free interpretation at astro interactive.

could you just post his natal please. i want to see if his sun/mars is quincunx his natal neptune.

So you both have earth Asc signs, so practical outlook.
Sun are sextile which is ok
Moons are square 90' by sign but not aspect
Both have retro mercuries.

I see your stellium in leo being rather strong and bossy here

posted January 28, 2012 04:46 PM            

Yes there will be challenges but relationship is destined to happen and will lead to a lot of personal growth and is definitely a karmic soulmate relationship. Why?? pluto and saturn are in the 12th cusp in composite but pluto and saturn are both PACKED with very NICE aspects in the composite so karmic soulmate relationship leading to growth but mainly in a harmonious way.

You have NN and chiron in the 7th which tells me relationship was destined and a packed 8th house and one planet in the 9th so marriage will take place and go public.

You have a packed 8th house and jupiter and neptune in the 2nd house so money will flow in and you two will make good money together but will have the tendency to spend it all right away.... DONT! invest in gold and silver plsssss.

I really like your composite....ruler of the 7th is venus and venus is involved in love stellium. You also have sexual attraction composite venus conjunct mars and pluto trine mars. Neptune trine moon, pluto sextile moon and love stellium and packed 8th house....you two have a strong love.

posted January 28, 2012 05:23 PM            

IMO YES!

The key is to let eachother express eachother's individuality daily and be supportive of eachother's dreams and the uranus aspect will not become a bigger problem than what your composite saturn aspects can handle.

Using equal, husband and I have 7th house stellium involving 4 planets including saturn in composite but we also have venus square uranus in both composite and synastry. We have been 5 years together in march...living together for about 4 years and actually married for less than one..even though I felt married to him since the first year as his juno conjuncts my sun by one orb and we have composite 7th house stellium involving saturn/mars/mercury/SUN and this is enough to make you feel married early in the relationship (this was my experience atleast and his friend even said we were going to end up married and were like an old married couple already) that is why since the beginning I was sleeping over his place more than my own....we officially moved in after a year of dating but I was partially living with him during the first year.

posted January 29, 2012 08:20 AM            

And SaggiMC thanks for the link!

The majority of our aspects in composite are under 3° but I also decided to count in some conjunctions and squares with larger orbs since those are powerful aspects, so should I make these exceptions or 3° is max in any case?

And what about separating aspects in synastry do they count at all?

Also at the end of your thread there is a part about astrology soul-mates and I think we have a yod in our synastry.

His Sun has inconjuct with my Neptune and Pluto and my Neptune and Pluto form a sextile between them.

I've read somewhere on this forum that synastry configurations like kite or yod, especially if the configuration includes Neptune or Pluto, are astrology indicators for soulmates?

Is that true, I don't know much about yods and they seem like an interesting subject.

And here is his natal chart, no Sun/Mars quincunx with Neptune:

posted January 29, 2012 03:06 PM            

Kites in natal or synastry are usually good, yods cause confusions.
His sun forms a quincunx to your pluto, not your saturn...
neptune pluto are simply generational planets...

Sometimes these quincunxs (aka Inconjuncts 150’) are obvious and recognised in personality, other times it can take a lot of self examination to identify with the planets energies and of course they (like all aspects) don't operate 100% of the time, they are simply a facet of your personality. Some say they cause health issues that are unresolved, underlying, dormant waiting to be triggered.... some say you stay at one end, to the detriment of the other, OR end up see-sawing between the two until you learn balance, integration of two unlikely pairings.

Next look at the signs, then houses and then aspects. Now the *others aspects* from these quincunxs/Yods as they can act like escape routes, that can help or hinder the expressions. A chart with lots of Yods (Finger of God) will always be *searching* for the divine answers to the meaning of life, to find synthesis
What tends to happen with quincunxs is that with progessions and transits will create temporary Yods aka 'Finger of god' configurations. Like with common TSquares, they create a temp Grand Square...

If someone has the ‘generational Pluto sextile neptune’ (born after 1940) then there is always a possibility of creating a temporary Yod with quicker moving planets, progressions, solar arcs even and difficult situations where you could be forced into making decisions and worrying that you have made the wrong one. Saturn, Uranus are generational to and unless these two fall in first quadrant (the most personal) the may not even be felt if they create a temporary Yod…this could be *transformation through suffering* type aspect

Thread by R4ven on Astrologyweekly.com on Yods

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Some of what you may feel/experience are:
• things which happen out of the blue, and these things affect us, but are not created by us.
• being faced with impossible choices, but where we are forced into choose something
• a feeling of having been wronged in some way, and that we `don't deserve this' to be happening to us.
• feeling like we're on a continual search for something in our lives, although we don't know what this `something' is.
• well-made plans being interrupted, or even hijacked totally
• difficulty in coping within formal education systems - eg. as in being given limited time frames in which to complete tasks (this can create high stress levels in anyone with a yod)
• the yod itself does not provide any clear direction in life.
• those with unaspected planets will have difficulty in using it effectively when put under pressure.
• walking a different path, feeling `different' from others can lead to deep feelings of insecurity, and perhaps even believing themselves to have been `born into the wrong family'. (This one freaked me out a bit, since I spent much of my childhood believing this...)
• with an unaspected planet, in childhood the over-developed effects of the planet may be suppressed in some way by parents. (eg. my brother has an unaspected `duet' between Mars and Jupiter. As a child he `bounced off the walls' and was a real handful. My mother took him to the Dr and he was put on some kind of sedative to calm him down. Eventually he became a successful athlete, and so this became a channel for his excessive energy.)
• unconsciously developing towards future activities - perhaps over a period of years - without being aware of this.
• a sense that one is a Spiritual Warrior, as you find that what seems to satisfy others in life in no way is satisfactory for you - that you are searching for `something more'.

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posted January 29, 2012 03:17 PM            

Stellium in cancer in 8th house shows major focus on joint finances, resources and sexual matters. No doubt transformational with strong pluto, scorpio emphasis

the elemental balances shows major emphasis on water ie emotions and only one in earth, which shows perhaps not very down to earth, grounded or practical

Saturn in 12th can show lack of structure or boundaries. Mars in 12th can show its hard for you as a couple to initiate actions and conj Saturn shows caution, hesitation in actions.

Pluto square mercury shows you enjoy talking about in depth matters, perhaps researching things together but it's a square to it could potentially deteriorate into verbal lacerations or acid tongue.

The sun as in a natal chart shows the pride, ego, focus, core beliefs of THE relationship and here we see a quincunx, so if I explain the natal expressions, perhaps you could adapt to THE relationship
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Sun Quincunx Uranus
“Your self expressive urges are usually misunderstood by people and this creates frustrations for you. As you disconnect from the need to be understood and get more in contact with the will to achieve positive results from your actions, your true self emerges from the core of your personality. You grow by learning to leave well enough alone.” http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

Sun quincunx uranus
“shows you often deprive yourself by yielding to other people's demands. It is not easy for you to give in to others, and when you do you become bitter. Perhaps you permit such intrusions because you feel a deep inner guilt about turning people down. You feel severely challenged by others, especially by their authoritative attitude when requesting your services. Beware of other traps also. When you reject someone's demands, they may say, "Are you not humanitarian at all?" If you feel you must answer that, your reply should be only that you are not sacrificial.”
From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag

posted January 29, 2012 10:08 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
I feel the composite is quite challenging. Scorpio Asc is not that sociable and having chart ruler pluto stuck in 12th suggests, you as a couple need/want/require privacy, aloneness...

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There will always be challenges in any relationship . Change is painful but is necessary for growth. Challenges lead to growth if you confront them and pay attention to them is how I feel.

posted January 30, 2012 04:07 AM            

Here is the composite Sun quincunx Uranus interpretation:

Throughout your relationship, there will be unusual events, sudden turnabouts, unexpected intrusions and surprises, which may prevent you from following through on some of your joint plans or settling into a steady, reliable pattern with one another. There may be a disjointed, unnerving sense of uncertainty, but if you are both fairly adaptable and open, you may be able to ride through the ups and downs. A sense of humor will be a requirement!

If one of you becomes restless, it is important to be absolutely truthful and up-front about the changes you want to make, rather than becoming unreliable and acting out erratically. You may find to your surprise that the other person is restless too, and willing to try something radically different.

You won't be able to avoid change in this relationship, so how you deal with it will determine the success of your togetherness.

But I still hope that there is enough good aspects to balance that out..

Saturn in the 12th is very well aspected..

posted January 30, 2012 10:38 AM            

Saturn is 12th is well aspected BUT it's still 12th house
http://www.cafeastrology.com/composite_chart_planetary_aspects.html

"Composite Saturn in the Twelfth House
The twelfth house is one of more difficult positions for ¬composite Saturn. This placement implies that you find it ¬difficult to deal with each other in an open and direct manner. Your responses to each other are automatic, as if you were acting out unconscious programs that you neither understand nor ¬particularly like. You may often ask each other, "Now what made me do that to you?" You may also feel that as a whole the relationship is very cramping to your individual styles. You feel repressed and put down by the experience."
From the book on composites by Robert Hand.

composite mars in12th
The literal meaning of Mars in the twelfth house might be stated as unconscious forms of ego expression. The twelfth house is not really unconscious but it often indicates signals that you are sending out into the world very strongly but not acknowledging. Whether or not you acknowledge them you will have to live with the consequences.

"It is just the same with a relationship; the twelfth house Mars signifies that you are putting into the relationship sources of conflict that could weaken it badly. Even worse, it would be very unclear why the problems exist. If you do not make an effort to find out what you really expect of each other, it will be difficult to ascertain why you are having conflicts. You may find that if you verbalise your wants, they will be full of ¬contradictions, double binds, and contracts arrangements that can't be fulfilled. Only if you take the trouble to examine your expectations closely will it be possible to understand what you really want from each other and whether your needs can be met."
From book on composites by Robert Hand

posted January 30, 2012 10:39 AM            

If one of you becomes restless, it is important to be absolutely truthful and up-front about the changes you want to make, rather than becoming unreliable and acting out erratically. You may find to your surprise that the other person is restless too, and willing to try something radically different.

posted January 30, 2012 11:03 AM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Your composite looks real nice and it looks like the kind of composite that leads to marriage. You two clearly loooove eachother (love stellium). Have what it takes to work hard to make relationship work (Saturn in composite is packed with nice trines).

Yes there will be challenges but relationship is destined to happen and will lead to a lot of personal growth and is definitely a karmic soulmate relationship. Why?? pluto and saturn are in the 12th cusp in composite but pluto and saturn are both PACKED with very NICE aspects in the composite so karmic soulmate relationship leading to growth but mainly in a harmonious way.

You have NN and chiron in the 7th which tells me relationship was destined and a packed 8th house and one planet in the 9th so marriage will take place and go public.

You have a packed 8th house and jupiter and neptune in the 2nd house so money will flow in and you two will make good money together but will have the tendency to spend it all right away.... DONT! invest in gold and silver plsssss.

I really like your composite....ruler of the 7th is venus and venus is involved in love stellium. You also have sexual attraction composite venus conjunct mars and pluto trine mars. Neptune trine moon, pluto sextile moon and love stellium and packed 8th house....you two have a strong love.

You should marry him....!

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totally agree. Amazing composite. And one of the nicest aspects u have is venus trine pluto---that should hold u two together through many obstacles for a long time. You'll keep coming back to each other

posted January 30, 2012 04:09 PM            

There's not much nodal contact either.

posted January 30, 2012 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by gravitys rainbow:
Thank you RunAroundScreaming
It feels nice to hear good news!

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posted January 30, 2012 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by gravitys rainbow:
Yes that Sun quincunx Uranus is the strongest aspect and there is Uranus in the 1st house

Here is the composite Sun quincunx Uranus interpretation:

Throughout your relationship, there will be unusual events, sudden turnabouts, unexpected intrusions and surprises, which may prevent you from following through on some of your joint plans or settling into a steady, reliable pattern with one another. There may be a disjointed, unnerving sense of uncertainty, but if you are both fairly adaptable and open, you may be able to ride through the ups and downs. A sense of humor will be a requirement!

If one of you becomes restless, it is important to be absolutely truthful and up-front about the changes you want to make, rather than becoming unreliable and acting out erratically. You may find to your surprise that the other person is restless too, and willing to try something radically different.

You won't be able to avoid change in this relationship, so how you deal with it will determine the success of your togetherness.

But I still hope that there is enough good aspects to balance that out..

Saturn in the 12th is very well aspected..

Who knows.. when you add up the good and the bad I guess the conclusion is that the relationship will go its own way, whether we'll stay together for a long time or not, we'll both learn much.. that's good enough for me..

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I have quote the same material but at least given the author some credit and cited the source material...

Are you aware of what constitutes fair usage of copyright material, as you may well be leaving yourself wide open here!!
I don't know what forum rules here suggests, but I do know astro.com allow 10 lines, plus appropriate "marks" or quote box and source cited.
on astrologyweekly they allow 100words plus using quote box and/or "mars" and no more than 3 quotes per post...
just be careful is what I'm saying as it's not this site that's liable, but YOU personally...and leaving yourself open to legal action

posted January 31, 2012 03:38 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:

Are you AWARE of plagarism and copyright at all??

I have quote the same material but at least given the author some credit and cited the source material...

Are you aware of what constitutes fair usage of copyright material, as you may well be leaving yourself wide open here!!
I don't know what forum rules here suggests, but I do know astro.com allow 10 lines, plus appropriate "marks" or quote box and source cited.
on astrologyweekly they allow 100words plus using quote box and/or "mars" and no more than 3 quotes per post...
just be careful is what I'm saying as it's not this site that's liable, but YOU personally...and leaving yourself open to legal action

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Honestly, this very interpretation can be found anywhere on the internet and the site that I cited it from doesn't really name the author...
http://www.tarot.com/astrology/saved.php?rID=55152549&format=print

posted January 31, 2012 03:41 AM            

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Originally posted by dysfunctionalmystic:

To be honest, it always depends on what you want, astrology can tell you what you have to work with but it won't ultimately decide the fate of the relationship.

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That is true, thanks