posted January 31, 2012 12:05 PM            

What I think I can explain:

* He's a fantastic teacher (whether in or out of the classroom) with a knack for explaining complex ideas and theories in concrete terms with eloquence and enthusiasm.
--> Gem Sun conj. Jupiter, Saggi Moon conj. Neptune for the love of learning/teaching and his eloquence and enthusiasm.
--> Taurus Asc and 1st House Taurean Merc for being able to come down off of those clouds and bring his knowledge to us mere mortals
--> His Libran NN in the 6th may have something to do with it as well

* He can be verrrry sensitive.
--> Saturn trine his Moon/Neptune conj? --> I've heard/read that Saturn/Moon can manifest as this, and I can only imagine what Saturn/Moon/Neptune does.

* He can also be very disciplined, and can tend to hold high ideals for himself and, to a lesser extent, others.
--> His 10 gagillion Saturn aspects.
NOTE ABOUT SATURN: It's my understanding that Saturn, especially an active Saturn like his, can manifest in a number of ways. He had a difficult childhood - quite poor, homeless for stretches, with an (physically and mentally) abusive, substance abusing dad who was absent from late childhood-onward and a (less physically, more emotionally) abusive alcoholic mom who seems to have *really tried* but ended up being institutionalized on more than one occasion. [Another note: I may take this description down later.] This seems par for the course from what I've read. How the native deals with the experiences and energies seems to be what varies - they can either allow the Saturn to be external strictures, or they can internalize him.

What I'm not sure about:

* How his particular combination of 2nd House Gem Sun/Jupiter, 8th House Saggi Moon/Neptune oppositions play out.
--> It seems like it may accentuate his already dual/mutable nature, and I guess I can see that. He definitely has "modes". There's "_____'s explaining, delving into, or fixing something" mode and "_____'s emoting" - those two facets of his personality don't necessarily meet.

* I'm really not sure how his 12th House Mars/Venus conj play out, especially given their weak aspect to his Moon.
--> What I *can* say is that he seems unaware of his natural assertiveness. It's not always there on the surface, but it was one of the first things that I noticed about him. It primarily seems to "come out" when he's not thinking about it. That seems like it may fit with the placements, but there feels like there's something big I'm missing.

* His 1st House Chiron conj. his Asc means something, I just don't know what.

The Unknown Unknowns

* There's plenty I'm just plain missing, but I'm sure would've bit me if it was a snake.
---> What obvious stuff have I passed over?

I plan on checking back on this and working as I can, though I can honestly usually only sit down to write like this during my lunch break so it may be a day or so in between substantive postings.

And my sales pitch to you ( ) : This can be a case study for anything in his chart you have questions about - together, we can work through what X or Y means/how it manifests.

posted January 31, 2012 04:22 PM            

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What I'm not sure about:

* How his particular combination of 2nd House Gem Sun/Jupiter, 8th House Saggi Moon/Neptune oppositions play out.
--> It seems like it may accentuate his already dual/mutable nature, and I guess I can see that. He definitely has "modes". There's "_____'s explaining, delving into, or fixing something" mode and "_____'s emoting" - those two facets of his personality don't necessarily meet.

* I'm really not sure how his 12th House Mars/Venus conj play out, especially given their weak aspect to his Moon.
--> What I *can* say is that he seems unaware of his natural assertiveness. It's not always there on the surface, but it was one of the first things that I noticed about him. It primarily seems to "come out" when he's not thinking about it. That seems like it may fit with the placements, but there feels like there's something big I'm missing.

* His 1st House Chiron conj. his Asc means something, I just don't know what.

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moon conj Neptune http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/dont-jump-in-moon-conjunct-neptune/

The Mysteries of the 8th House: House of Death & Transformation
by Carmen Turner-Schott http://www.ofspirit.com/carmenturnerschott1.htm http://mysticmedusa.com/2009/03/the-eerie-8th-house/ http://mystarworld.com/content/planets_in_8th_house.asp

8th house moons do seem to go through some turmoil, and conj neptune 'could' suggest alcohol problems. None of this is a given as 'fact' though. I have moon opp neptune and my mother never even drank...

venus in 12th is in detriment in aries and this sugggests a lack of affection in childhood.
Basic astrology forum, 12th house planets http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000666.html

Now IF the TOB is correct then chart ruler venus in 12th is not great as this suggests a private person, who needs time alone...

Sun opp moon shows parents were opposites

Houses: angular houses 1/7 4/10 the energies of planets placed here are obvious cos it's your 'shop window' visible for everyone to see. Next the succeedent houses 2/8 & 5/11 the energies in these houses are not in shop window the are in the shop, but stood behind the counter, ready to come out when needed. Lastly, cadent houses 6/12 & 3/9 these houses/planets are not in shop window or stood behind the counter, they are in the back storeroom and only come out when 'triggered' or an emergency and much harder to recognise and access...

The houses are like the backdrop of a stage, the setting if you like, the planets are like actors and the aspects are how the planets behave in that settings/stage....So remember you may find it harder to identify with planets and Saturn in this case in Cadent houses….

"Saturn’s" influence seems to be more obvious in the houses than in the signs can rule the life with an iron rod, although invisible, by undermining the sense of ¬self worth and making it difficult for the individual to permit any close emotional contacts.

Saturn's sign indicates what you find uncomfortable and must learn to manage.
Where and how you feel a lack of confidence -- the house position of Saturn defines where
you need to establish your skills, an issue you worry about and wish you could depend on !

Lovely anecdote about Saturn from member mahaira on astrologyweekly.com,

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There's an interesting thing I read somewhere, which I would never take as a rule as it oversimplifies matters - we can guess where someone's Saturn is placed, broadly speaking, by asking him/her "What do you want (or did want) but don't have?"

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Takes 28 years to go around zodiac. Stays in each sign of approx 2.1/2 yrs
Keywords: Saturn = Structure, duty, limitation, restriction.

Saturn in the 4th house
Saturn here operates in the latter part of life when its negative aspects are much harder to take. In the roots of the being a selfishness that must be broken up or the dues will be collected in the latter part of life. Can gain through real estate and land. Possibility of trouble with indigestion due to emotions. The ulcer type. Often strong mother complex and a tendency to cling to the past. Needs to get away from home in order to get over psychological bias. Appears independent but fears to leave home. Will be happier away from the place of birth. Domestic responsibilities or difficulties are likely. In childhood these may be the result of others` actions, but adults invariably attract these commitments. There is a need for domestic security often provided by physical ties. Will take great pains to make a secure home. They would probably have to take on heavy ¬responsibilities from an early age and may have had to struggle for domestic security and will work very hard to provide for your home and family. May have experienced poverty as a child

posted January 31, 2012 04:29 PM            

T Square http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_tsquare.shtml
“Two planets in opposition squared to a third. The tension typical of the opposition aspect is aggravated by additional problems introduced by the third planet. Often an obstructive feature blocking the normal flow of behaviour of the person. Person needs to develop activities represented by the "missing" arm of the T-square to achieve wholeness” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_astrology#Aspect_patterns http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html

“The t-square is exactly like the above configuration except that one of the signs is missing. Time and again this is described as trying to sit in a chair with three legs. Ironically, the individual becomes the fourth leg by acting out the traits which are missing in the chart.” http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/moreaspects2.htm

what tends to happen with T Squares is that a transit, progression or solar arc comes along and temporary converts it to a Grand Square, which does cause enormous tensions/problems internally, but the good thing is the get you up off your backside to resolve issues.

Next, mercury is a singleton ie: only planet in earth element.Mercury square saturn shows he had problems communicating, good for study and research.

Moon quincunx mercury – possible sleep problems, or affect the nervous system

“emotions and intellect interfere with each other so you have difficulty in solving your problems. You over react emotionally to situations and so cannot rationalise them properly. When you inject feeling instead of examining the facts, any reasonable evaluation of the situation becomes impossible. You infer that criticism is directed at you when that is not the case at all, your reaction is all out of proportion to the truth. But you are emotionally aroused and take out your hostility on those dearest to you without realising it. People can easily learn to resent and avoid you at the same time”.
From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag

Moon Quincunx Mercury
“You end up confused at times because you read more into communications than are there. It's good to be able to read between the lines - just make sure you are also reading what is on the lines. Your expectations and imagination are assets as soon as you are able to develop a method for expressing your true feelings. Since many of your feelings are hidden from you, self expression becomes a path of self discovery.” http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/q...retations.html

Mercury Quincunx Neptune
“Lots of time and effort can be wasted when you plan on things that are way out of reach. Your imagination and ideals serve you well when you are careful to keep the sequence of essential happenings in mind and accept your own idiosyncrasies. Be careful you don't promise more to others than you can deliver. Self-honesty is not easy but it is essential in order to develop.” http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

“You make promises you cannot keep and console yourself by saying, "Well at least I tried." However, your reasoning is not in keeping with the facts. You create for yourself painful responsibilities that are usually unnecessary. You worry over unnecessary problems that may never develop and overreact to those that do. You exaggerate the seriousness of your failures and may even become ill by dwelling on tasks you think others expect you to do. You are imaginative, inspired, and creative but find difficulty in expressing these qualities to your complete satisfaction.”

From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag

Sometimes these quincunxs (aka Inconjuncts 150’) are obvious and recognised in personality, other times it can take a lot of self examination to identify with the planets energies and of course they (like all aspects) don't operate 100% of the time, they are simply a facet of your personality. Some say they cause health issues that are unresolved, underlying, dormant waiting to be triggered.... some say you stay at one end, to the detriment of the other, OR end up see-sawing between the two until you learn balance, integration of two unlikely pairings.

Next look at the signs, then houses and then aspects. Now the *others aspects* from these quincunxs/Yods as they can act like escape routes, that can help or hinder the expressions. A chart with lots of Yods (Finger of God) will always be *searching* for the divine answers to the meaning of life, to find synthesis
What tends to happen with quincunxs is that with progessions and transits will create temporary Yods aka 'Finger of god' configurations. Like with common TSquares, they create a temp Grand Square...

pluto square MC, can occasionally bring problems. I have this one..

Pluto square MC
Pluto in Square to Midheaven
“Don't be surprised if you have your share of power struggles with authority figures. This aspect suggests domination and control. You can rise to a position of important influence over the lives of others. All efforts to climb to the top should be kept completely honest and aboveboard.
Consider some of the following career potentials: archaeology, espionage, psychiatry, mortuary science, the secret service, banking, or the medical profession--especially surgery.” http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectspluto.htm

Pluto square MC for a long time I was not even 'aware' how this functioned or played out, until I was out with a friend, who ended up defending me from a verbal attack from a woman. It seems with pluto we/you give out scorpio/pluto vibes of authority, power and control and possibly on a subconscious level, *others* especially women pick up on this and feel it's 'fair game' to challenge and attack. It doesn't happen all the time, just occasionally. Plus mine is in 7th Angular/most visible and house of open enemies, which I really don't mind coming up in my face either...

Astrology can explain lots of things, especially regarding your personality, traits etc but it's entirely upto YOU to make changes in your life, you are the captain of your ship no-one else. Knowing astrology is not going to change you or do this for you! We all have to go through rough transits, to learn and to grow as a person, so in that regard you are no different...

Trasiting jupiter is currently conj Asc, this is good for socialisting,opportunities and when it gets to 3' conj chiron, may well be an opportunity for healing...

You can get a free six month transit forecast from astro.com by famous astrologer Robert Hand...

hope this helps?

posted January 31, 2012 04:35 PM            

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I'm really not sure how his 12th House Mars/Venus conj play out, especially given their weak aspect to his Moon.
--> What I *can* say is that he seems unaware of his natural assertiveness. It's not always there on the surface, but it was one of the first things that I noticed about him. It primarily seems to "come out" when he's not thinking about it. That seems like it may fit with the placements, but there feels like there's something big I'm missing.

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having 5in fire and 3air planets tend towards making someone a bookworm.

Mars conj Asc should be interpreted as if in 1st house,which is a very common placements espec for males. It can make them sporty, competative even, but assertive nonetheless.

Mars conjunct Venus
"The conjunction between Venus and Mars shows a strong desire nature needing expression. You are the aggressor in relationships with the opposite sex, and you are ever eager and aggressive in making social contacts, as well. Artistic endeavors may be an active outlet for your hyperactive nature." http://www.skyscript.co.uk/marsaspects.html#macve

venus conj mars
"These people possess personal magnetism in spades. They live and breathe romantic/sexual relationships. It is generally easy for them to form relationships, unless the conjunction is severely afflicted. They ooze sexuality, and they are generally quite impulsive with regards to entering new relationships. Relationships are not only important to them, they require a fair amount of excitement, adventure, and passion in their pairings in order to feel alive and vital. With this conjunction, there is generally a pleasing blend of self-assertion and cooperation" http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/venusmarsaspects.html

to read the full article click on link

posted January 31, 2012 04:36 PM            

uranus in the 7th is a divorce aspect..

Basic astrology forum discussing Uranus in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000662.html

posted January 31, 2012 08:06 PM            

I'm on my phone right now, but will address yourposts and give you a proper thanks once I'm back at a computer.

posted February 01, 2012 11:33 AM            

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Saturn in the 4th house
Saturn here operates in the latter part of life when its negative aspects are much harder to take. In the roots of the being a selfishness that must be broken up or the dues will be collected in the latter part of life. Can gain through real estate and land. Possibility of trouble with indigestion due to emotions. The ulcer type. Often strong mother complex and a tendency to cling to the past. Needs to get away from home in order to get over psychological bias. Appears independent but fears to leave home. Will be happier away from the place of birth. Domestic responsibilities or difficulties are likely. In childhood these may be the result of others` actions, but adults invariably attract these commitments. There is a need for domestic security often provided by physical ties. Will take great pains to make a secure home. They would probably have to take on heavy ¬responsibilities from an early age and may have had to struggle for domestic security and will work very hard to provide for your home and family. May have experienced poverty as a child

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re: selfishness: That may have been evident early on (I didn't know him when he was younger), but he's currently the least selfish person I know.

posted February 01, 2012 11:48 AM            

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Ami Ann has mentioned previously around here that chiron conj Asc can sometimes suggest childhood abuse. (...)

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He *is* quite sensitive - more so than me, and I'm a Pisces Sun. He's recognized this, though, and is sensitive about his sensitivity <3 (If that makes sense.)

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venus in 12th is in detriment in aries and this sugggests a lack of affection in childhood.

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Yep, I'd agree from what I understand of his childhood.

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Now IF the TOB is correct then chart ruler venus in 12th is not great as this suggests a private person, who needs time alone...

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Very private (so private that I'll likely take at least some of the more identifying information on this thread down). More private than *me* - and I have a Scorp Asc , and my Fishy Sun needs alone time to be away from everyone else's emotions. Interestingly, we've both remarked that, while independently we enjoy - even need - being alone, we don't feel that need together. That is, being with each other kind of counts as "alone time" as far as our needs go.

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Sun opp moon shows parents were opposites

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Aside from their mutual chemical dependence, I would agree.

re: House information: Good stuff. I can't look at his chart right now (downtime at work - typing this out in an e-mail ), but I'll take another look later.

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"Saturn’s" influence seems to be more obvious in the houses than in the signs can rule the life with an iron rod, although invisible, by undermining the sense of ¬self worth and making it difficult for the individual to permit any close emotional contacts.

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posted February 01, 2012 12:08 PM            

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having 5in fire and 3air planets tend towards making someone a bookworm.

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Mars conj Asc should be interpreted as if in 1st house,which is a very common placements espec for males. It can make them sporty, competative even, but assertive nonetheless.

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He's competitive, but it can be buried under a lot of other stuff...he's no especially sporty, but (even with no time to work out) has a nicely shaped bod

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Mars conjunct Venus
"The conjunction between Venus and Mars shows a strong desire nature needing expression. You are the aggressor in relationships with the opposite sex, and you are ever eager and aggressive in making social contacts, as well. Artistic endeavors may be an active outlet for your hyperactive nature." http://www.skyscript.co.uk/marsaspects.html#macve (...)
venus conj mars
"These people possess personal magnetism in spades. They live and breathe romantic/sexual relationships. It is generally easy for them to form relationships, unless the conjunction is severely afflicted. They ooze sexuality, and they are generally quite impulsive with regards to entering new relationships. Relationships are not only important to them, they require a fair amount of excitement, adventure, and passion in their pairings in order to feel alive and vital. With this conjunction, there is generally a pleasing blend of self-assertion and cooperation"http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/venusmarsaspects.html

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posted February 01, 2012 12:27 PM            

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Workaholic. may be a great stickler for routine and discipline, maybe hard on themselves
Health hate to admit to illnesses.

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Obsessed over health. If Pluto is afflicted may suggest bowel problems (Pluto characteristic constipating action in the literal sense)
If lack of fulfillment through work, could overeat or comfort eat

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uranus in the 7th is a divorce aspect..

These people have an intrinsic sense of fair play, of justice and of equality. When these principles are ¬consistently violated in relationships, the cumulative stress can induce a psychologically traumatic state. When this occurs they must re evaluate themselves in terms of their expectations about reality in general, and relationship dynamics specifically
Shows a desire for freedom in marriage. The partner may be unusually intelligent. Your choice of mate could be unpredictable. Need certain amount of freedom within a marriage or your partner may want or need this. Can go both ways. Difficulties in marriage either one can be too independent. Boredom and routine needs breaking occasionally to keep things fresh, exciting. But with a certain amount of eccentricity married life will not be dull.
Divorce or separation, sometimes by sudden death if Uranus is afflicted. Apt to attract a partner who wants to feel free and be a law unto themselves. Suddenly find themselves being confronted by ‘open enemies’ which will come as a surprise – but at least that way it can be dealt with (much better than 12th/secret enemies)

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I brought up some of the "standard" interps for Uranus in the 7th when I first looked at his chart for him, and he was downright offended - perhaps his sense of fair play and justice are violated by the notion.
I gave it up to his Saturn (again) and, perhaps, it being satisfied by my 1st House Uranus and Aqua Moon. I am pretty weird. "Eccentric"...we'll say "eccentric" - it's a nicer word
Many social norms strike me as just silly, and we're both pretty open-minded (debates don't remain debates with us - they invariably morph into discussions). And we're best friends, something we've both expressed appreciation for.

posted February 08, 2012 06:25 AM            

Edited to add: Mini Grand Trine, apparently.

posted February 09, 2012 02:20 PM            

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Originally posted by mockingbird:
Would there be any significance in that both his t-square and...not a t-square (yod? Is that a yod?) "point" to his 4th House Saturn?

Edited to add: Mini Grand Trine, apparently.

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your composite has a lovely kite configuratuion. you can get a free reading on astro.com for this.

posted February 09, 2012 03:44 PM            

Some sites called it a "mini grand trine", but yours makes more sense (as it's not really a grand trine at all).

posted February 11, 2012 09:34 AM            

many thanks for feedback, it makes all the difference.

posted March 05, 2012 05:13 PM            

He asked what astrologically would make him sensitive (and he is).

posted March 08, 2012 10:11 AM            

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Another question:

He asked what astrologically would make him sensitive (and he is).

He has almost no water - only his 7th House Uranus in Scorp - so I'm not sure unless its his Saturn/Moon

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Moon conj Neptune in 8th house, could really be quite psychic. Have you researched his uranus singleton? when you say his chart lacks water - it does BUT then look to see if planets are in water houses and here we see 5....which will compensate

Have you researched his mercury singleton?

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posted March 09, 2012 07:43 AM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
Moon conj Neptune in 8th house, could really be quite psychic. Have you researched his uranus singleton? when you say his chart lacks water - it does BUT then look to see if planets are in water houses and here we see 5....which will compensate

Have you researched his mercury singleton?

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Funny - he <i>does</i> have odd little psychic moments and apparently has his whole life. He's frustrated because they're usually pretty mundane: "I'm about to win X in this raffle," etc.

re: the Houses: Thank you!
I hadn't even thought about looking at his chart by house type.

posted March 09, 2012 10:50 AM            

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re: Merc: I hadn't thought of that being a singleton b/c of his Asc.
What influence do you think it may have?

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Singleton planets
“If a planet happens to be the only one in an element, quality, or house type, that planet is a Singleton and it can funnel all of the “energy” of the horoscope. This planet is often the most important one in the horoscope. In other words, if you just interpret the position of this one planet by sign, house, and aspect, you will get to the “heart of the horoscope”. The effect is the same as if that planet were the only one on one side of the chart.” http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/13.0Singletons.htm http://www.astrologyclub.org http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/singleton.html http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2334.html
(There is a book out by Shirley Lyons Meier, "Elemental Voids, More than Meets the Eye", which gives a good discussion of missing elements.) The Inferior Function can be a source of great motivation and creative expression. http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/intro/singleton_intro.htm

posted March 23, 2012 06:14 AM            

I'll give those links a look when I'm at a screen that's more than 2x3 inches

posted March 23, 2012 09:09 AM            

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Thanks, MC.

I'll give those links a look when I'm at a screen that's more than 2x3 inches

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have you heard of the chinese proverb,
"what I see i read, but what I do i learn?"

any questions, please feel free to ask that's what I'm here for..

this is from a slide I did on powerpoint for public speaking.

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