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downtomars
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posted February 26, 2012 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am getting tired of everything in my life being temporary - I can never find a permanent job (always as a temp, contract, seasonal or sub) or a permanent-type of relationship (no constancy, no one I can rely on), even my family is unreliable. I don't know, well, except that Uranus and Aquarius are to blame (I am not a newbie at this, not at all, I just need different perspectives). What can I do? Any meaningful advice?

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posted February 26, 2012 02:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jupiter trine P.O.F. is a Lucky aspect when it comes to getting money. So I'm guessing it's easy for you to find a job/money but I think the unstability comes from your Jupiter squares Uranus.

"The square formed between Jupiter and Uranus shows inhibiting conflicts which limit your goals and achievements. You may be expansive in your imagination and plans. There is a tendency to be impractical and too idealistic in your thinking. In some cases, eccentric religious beliefs and practices are shown by this aspect. Speculation, if allowed to get out of hand, can produce unexpected and unsatisfactory results, and you may have a tendency to go off the deep end in handling financial matters. Long-shot gambles that may tempt you, rarely work out."

Also look at the asteroid [Industria] which might help determine jobs/careers could be best for you. Just some ideas...

Moon/Industria - Maybe a therapist, nurse, or working with kids.

Mars/Industria - Working in the sports industry or something physical.

Neptune/Industria - Artist, Musician, or being around water (Marine Biologist)

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posted February 26, 2012 02:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you MoonFish! I am so tired of Uranus!!! I always block out that exact Jupiter-Uranus thing because it is so terrible. I need Saturn, so desperately. It is even conjunct my NN and now, after age 30, I realize how badly I need it!

Industria is at 0 degrees Sagittarius in my 11th house, partile trine my Venus at 0 degrees Leo and sextile my Ascendant. Venusian careers are really not my thing though, I am not into the beauty, fashion or art industry. I like to shop for myself, and I like to look nice at work, but that is about it.

ETA: I am actually working on a second masters in human resources, I think that could be considered a Venus career...

Edited: b/c "clothing" and "fashion" are the same things in this instance!

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posted February 26, 2012 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moonfish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by downtomars:
Thank you MoonFish! I am so tired of Uranus!!! I always block out that exact Jupiter-Uranus thing because it is so terrible. I need Saturn, so desperately. It is even conjunct my NN and now, after age 30, I realize how badly I need it!

Industria is at 0 degrees Sagittarius in my 11th house, partile trine my Venus at 0 degrees Leo and sextile my Ascendant. Venusian careers are really not my thing though, I am not into the beauty, clothing, fashion or art industry. I like to shop for myself, and I like to look nice at work, but that is about it.

ETA: I am actually working on a second masters in human resources, I think that could be considered a Venus career...


Your welcome
True-true, I do agree that human resources can be a good influence for your venus/industria aspect. Afterall, the moon and venus share similar traits except the moon is more emotional of course.
Overall your aspects are pretty good money-wise, just finding that stability between Jupiter & Uranus will take some work. Though it shouldn't be that hard, jupiter aspects in general are pretty easy to work with

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posted February 26, 2012 08:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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downtomars
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posted February 27, 2012 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted February 27, 2012 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi downtomars, good to hear from you!
Sorry to hear your pain.
Listen, have you checked your transits?
There may well be something in them that reinforces the issue of impermanence/instability.

Hang in there!

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downtomars
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posted February 27, 2012 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Maybe I should name my threads a little better and then I would get more of a response(?)...

I am wondering if anyone would please read my chart and give me some advice based on what is shown...

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posted February 27, 2012 03:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for anongrl10     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why do you wish to stick to the natal only?
Just curious.

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downtomars
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posted February 27, 2012 03:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Because this is a lifetime issue for me, this has been going on for my whole life and affects all areas of my life...

The transits might make me more aware of it but I want to get at the core issues...

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posted February 27, 2012 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by downtomars:
Maybe I should name my threads a little better and then I would get more of a response(?)...

I am wondering if anyone would please read my chart and give me some advice based on what is shown...


what is it you want to focus on? You already know Uranus conj MC.
I'm 1'Aquarius rising to )))

regarding relationships I see your mars opp neptune being drawn to perhaps questionaable relationships?

Mars square Neptune
Mars Neptune Square Mars Neptune Opposition
Painful things either ignored ie self deception, or hypochondriac type, imaginary things (Neptune) Deceive or be deceived http://www.astrologyindepth.com/Mars_square_Neptune http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13104&page=2 http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11521 http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_PARALLEL%2C_CONJUNCTION%2C_SQUARE_OR_OPPOSITION_TO_MARS

T Saturn has recently been over your moon, whereas it's been opposing mine. This can keep you short of money, and want to withdraw socially.

Uranus conjunct Midheaven
"You will most definitely want the freedom to express your own unique ideas in your public life, as you make your contribution to society. You are likely to enjoy change and variety, and may make sudden career changes or possibly experience such changes thrown at you. You may prefer an unusual type of career or occupation, one that offers adventure and excitement, danger even, but certainly one that does not rely upon too much routine and regularity. For women, this can often be found in the charts of those who choose careers and professions that are not normally associated with females, such as working on a mine site, driving a truck, or diving on sunken wrecks: perhaps something that has a touch of the unusual about it. For men, this can be found in the charts of those who often face danger in their given occupation, explosives expert, racing driver, jockey or life saver.

Your chosen profession would need to incorporate an element of the unusual, the original, and allow for a degree of freedom of expression. You may be seen by others as highly independent, original and even somewhat out of line with conventional thinking. You will probably seek a career that encompasses the potential to be able to make your own decisions, rather than following strict guidelines laid down by others. You are more likely to want to follow your own rules, and will not take too kindly to having to toe the conventional line in terms of your career. http://rugdeeaustralia.tripod.com/id18.html
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Scorpio MC being fixed and Uranus don't make great bedfellows. Scorpio like any fixed sign really doesn't like change, whereas Uranus really does. So the first conundrum is solving these two.

saturn square neptune can lean towards depression at times..

Saturn conj Neptune http://astrologyforthesoul.com/billstreett/satnepgestalt.html http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_CONJUNCTION_OR_PARALLEL_TO_SATURN

Saturn conj/square/opposite neptune can show a fear of the unknown..although these are generational planets, posited in bottom left quadrant makes them felt internally...It can also be linked to depression when triggered and/or having your childhood dreams crushed by father, males and/or authority figures.

I also have merc retro, mine went direct age 19. did you notice when yours went direct? Now you have conj to jupiter (I have close trine) now this aspect can overtalk (on occasions) when it should be quiet and undertalk when it should be talkinng....

Mercury square uranus also quickens the mind and speech and can lean towards argumentativeness. Are you any goods at maths and science? My dad has this and was an engineer but taught maths in Adult Educ.

Now onto moon square venus, the inheritant problem here is that whomever you are attracted to may not fulfil you emotionally and vice versa, have you noticed this??

lastly, have you research your uranus singleton?

Basic astrology forum, retrogrades,Unaspected & Singletons http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Basic+Astrology&number=12&DaysPrune=

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posted February 27, 2012 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
North Node in virgo in 8th is to learn about 'other people's value and beliefs' as opposed to your own in 2nd house. Also about joint finances, insurances,inheritances and sex of course, the most intimate melding of two people.

So South Node in pisces 2nd house, the comfort zone of offering 'tea and symphathy' and 2nd house matters and learning to about details, details and details. To pay more attention to virgoan things, like health, daily routines and communications, espec in 8th house matters..

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posted February 27, 2012 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you SaggiMC! Sometimes I just need things pointed out to me because I can easily slip into denial (Mars opp Neptune, I suppose). I am actually glad to see that you are an Aqua rising and if I remember correctly, you have Mars in the 5th too. Finding out that you also have Mercury retrograde too makes me feel better knowing that you have children because these are supposed to be signs of being "barren" (Mars in the 5th, ruler of the 5th retrograde). I always get nervous about that, even though right now I am not even nearly ready to have kids. I want them but I have no steady job, steady man and I am only getting older! Hence, my question...

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
Scorpio MC being fixed and Uranus don't make great bedfellows. Scorpio like any fixed sign really doesn't like change, whereas Uranus really does. So the first conundrum is solving these two.

I was thinking as I was typing my initial question that all of my fixed planets don't like all of this change.

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saturn square neptune can lean towards depression at times...

...Saturn conj/square/opposite neptune can show a fear of the unknown..although these are generational planets, posited in bottom left quadrant makes them felt internally...It can also be linked to depression when triggered and/or having your childhood dreams crushed by father, males and/or authority figures.


Yes - I get that "my life isn't what it was meant to be" depression all of the time.

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I also have merc retro, mine went direct age 19. did you notice when yours went direct?

Does this refer to progressions? I have not researched this...

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Now you have conj to jupiter (I have close trine) now this aspect can overtalk (on occasions) when it should be quiet and undertalk when it should be talkinng....

That does sound like me...

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Mercury square uranus also quickens the mind and speech and can lean towards argumentativeness. Are you any goods at maths and science?

I am too quick sometimes. I am okay at math and science. I have tried teaching, and although everyone who reads my chart recommends it, I don't like it. I don't like to talk all day. This is something I just figured out and most people (who don't teach/haven't taught) don't realize this - it is a talk-heavy job and I don't care for that. I seem like I might, but I don't.

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Now onto moon square venus, the inheritant problem here is that whomever you are attracted to may not fulfil you emotionally and vice versa, have you noticed this??

Yes, in all of my relationships one area has been exceedingly good while something else is severely lacking. I guess I have to go for one or the other.

With Mars opp Neptune: I have been decieved by the guys I dated when I was younger but I am very careful now, maybe too careful and guarded.

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lastly, have you research your uranus singleton?

Yes, that and my Saturn singleton. I think it is interesting that they both rule my ascendant and are sextile.

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posted February 28, 2012 11:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Yes, that and my Saturn singleton. I think it is interesting that they both rule my ascendant and are sextile.

See I don't accept this, if anything it's a co-ruler but for me it's Uranus, through and through..

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I also have merc retro, mine went direct age 19. did you notice when yours went direct?

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Does this refer to progressions? I have not researched this...

progressed planets/charts are more 'internal' changes, evolvements rather than 'events or external' matters. I don't read prog charts as stand alones it's more important to see where these planets are moving in the natal chart

Your natal chart is like a photograph as unique as your fingerprint, BUT the 10planets in the sky have not stayed where they were in your natal chart, they have all moved. Predictive astrology is mostly maths where those 10planets are now and the mathematical aspects they make to your natal charts ie: 180'=opposition, 90'=square, 60'=sextile and 120'=trine.

So your personality, grows, develops, changes, matures as we get older, this is reflected by your sun sign changing from it's natal position to the next sign along, so does your Asc and MC sign change. In fact from sun to mars especially are important, as the outer planets really don't move much, using a 'day for a year' secondary progressions.

What's the difference between Transits and Progressions?
“Transits are the planets currently orbiting in the sky and the relationships they form to each other and additionally, to your chart. Transits happen for everyone. They're important and effect you personally when they contact a planet or point in your chart. Transits represent outside energy, things happening outside yourself. They describe external events and your responses to them. Progressions, however, move very slowly and are a natural progression of your original birth chart. The events and emotions they describe are part of you, deeply ingrained in your psyche, internal, and psychological. And as they form aspects, these inner feelings start to become more important and central to your life” http://www.artcharts.com/learn_astrology/progressed.html

If you want to research more into Secondary progressions try here http://cafeastrology.com/secondaryprogressions.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/progressions.html http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=67 http://www.khaldea.com/rudhyar/astroarticles/progressionsinastrology.php http://astrolmass.com/progressions.htm http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_transits_e.htm http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/the-progressed-moon-through-the-12-houses/

solar arcs & secondary progressions http://www.kepler.edu/videos/0902SolarArc/Stathis_SolarArc_Feb09.pdf

“2) The aspects formed by the progressed MC, ASC, Sun, and the planets (other than the Moon). These will indicate major trends for a year or more surrounding the date on which they become exact.” http://www.astrologymatch.com/progressed-chart.htm

The most important of progressed planets is of course, sun & moon and then upto mars, as the outer planets hardly move by progression. Now like with transits, solar arcs --- it's what these progressed planets are doing NOW by mathematical aspect to your natal planets and Angles that is ultimately important.


Having Saturn in 8th house of sex and conception may delay matters a litle.

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posted February 28, 2012 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
with regards saturn and uranus singletons, you could also research your midpoints to see if either are having an effect or in parallels in declinations...

Basic astrology forum, Learn Midpoints http://www.linda-goodman.com/cgi-bin/ubb/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=Basic+Astrology&number=12&DaysPrune=
To enter this forum you need an extra password – astrology….

basic astrology forum, parallels in declination http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000675.html

Basic astrology forum, Which charts to use and when http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000682.html

Basic astrology forum, All About Moons http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000681.html

Basic astrology forum, House meanings http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000683.html

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posted February 28, 2012 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for downtomars     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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