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miss_denise
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posted March 13, 2012 01:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_denise     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi all!
I was wondering if there is anything in our charts that is making the relationship so hard to leave.
I met him at work about 2 years ago, and we started dating. About a year and a half later I decided to end it. He did not want to end the friendship (I felt we needed time away from each other to sort out our feelings) and in the end we jumped right back into hanging out. He says he feels that we are still together and that nothing has changed.
He's a sweet guy, and feels I'm his soulmate, but I don't feel the same. I do know I have a sagitarius ascendant, and that I HATE being restrained in any form, and in the beginning he quickly started talking of the future and marriage, which kinda scared me. Can anyone kindly give an interpretation of our charts?

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Ami Anne
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posted March 13, 2012 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to PR Miss Denise

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miss_denise
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posted March 13, 2012 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_denise     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the warm welcome!

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SaggiMC
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posted March 13, 2012 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

We need to see a synastr bi wheel and aspect grid for the two of you..

Basic astrology forum, How to approach Synastry http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000667.html
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Please remember to reduce the orb ratio down to 40% (ONLY for synastry bi wheel) as the max orb between planets is 3'. Composite should be 85% orbs. Please also include, vertex, juno and POF (part of fortune)

when you get this SYNASTRY chart, please also post the *pdf file*, above left of chart look for *view additional tables (PDF)* This will bring up 2pages. Scroll down to last page for the *aspect grid* THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AS IT SEEMS TO SHOW MORE ASPECTS THAN IS VISIBLE ON THE BI WHEEL…

problem is uploading to photobucket (or imageshack) you have to change this from Abode format into a picture/jpeg format. This is done by getting the relevant page/grid in front of you on screen then, the press ‘prtsc sysrq’ - top row inbetween pause break and F12. This has been copied to clipboard.

Paste into Paint or some other photo software. Crop the picture and save to hard drive, then upload to photobucket, select chart, press IMG and past link into thread.... all done

or you could try some free readings as in computer generated ones.
Free reading thread http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/002828.html

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SaggiMC
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posted March 13, 2012 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
firstly, your chart, you are not a typical scorpio with Uranus conj your sun and in Equal house system (instead of the default on astro of placidus) which seems to be the majority around here. Sun/uranus would bahave and overshadow sun's expressions to be more aquarius/uranus

You also have a moon in detriment and a Singleton
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so venus, pluto and mercury would all be 11th house
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mars conj Neptune
“This conjunction can pose several difficulties: in choice of actions, where you may struggle to establish what your real aims are; in making that final decision to attempt to achieve them, and in ensuring that sufficient and persistent effort is then made to guarantee success. An unintegrated Neptune can dissolve that focused will, making decisive clarity difficult to maintain. Additionally, you tend to avoid accepting the consequences of your choices, and there can be a refusal to acknowledge responsibility when such actions lead to failure or negative results.” http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_PARALLEL%2C_CONJUNCTION%2C_SQUARE_OR_OPPOSITION_TO_MARS http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11521

you also have a lack of earth planets, but two in earth house ie; 10th

Neptune conj Asc is a rather sensitive placed and poss with lots of sensitivity to people's vibes and energies.

Basic astrology forum discussing Neptune in houses http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000661.html

I would discount venus square moon at 9' separating as too wide. I tend to reduce the orb ratio down to 85% on astro to bring in line with mainstream views.

lastly, with sun in 12th I would expect you to enjoy your own company and peace and quite to retreat for time alone maybe?

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miss_denise
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posted March 13, 2012 09:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_denise     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for your insight SaggiMC!!
I'm reading up on all the links you've posted!

I've never really felt that "scorpio-like" in regards to relationships.
I have intense feelings, but I love my freedom, and have never felt clingy or jealous/possessive in any relationship.
I have a hard to time dealing with people clinging to me.

The Mars conj Neptune aspect, sounds very much like me as well. Although I do try to stop and consider outcomes to certain things before I act.

Neptune in the 1st is so dead on as well!
I can't drink, as I have no tolerance for alcohol, and am very sensitive to any RX or OTC drugs I take, so I must be very careful.
Also, in the past year I've had a strange attack of dermographism (Skin writing) that would flare up with a slightest pressure on my skin D:
It seems to be getting better now though.

I do pick up on the moods of others quite easily (at times taking them on myself D:...not fun).
Also, yes! For the most part I do prefer to spend time to myself. I don't make friends that easily and always need a measure of space to regenerate.


Here are the charts you've requested:


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miss_denise
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posted March 15, 2012 12:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_denise     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone?

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SaggiMC
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posted March 16, 2012 05:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by miss_denise:
Anyone?


apologies for delay in responding, unfortunately this forum doesn't send email alerts when you make posts, only to you IF you start one. This means that I have to go back manually to find threads where I made a post/comment....

well done for post the syn grid...

first thing that struck me was 5 Saturn contacts -- which is a lot and saturn acts as cement for good OR bad unfortunately..

there are lots of easy flowing aspects going on here, so will just focus on the challenges.

quote:

The square, opposition, and quincunx can be very challenging and tricky--and decidedly draining! The tendency to become highly annoyed with each other is highest with the square. The opposition tends to be the least problematic of these three aspects, and has the potential to be really quite invigorating. The quincunx tends to really nag at a couple over time, as they must make what seems to be constant adjustments to each other. The tendency to interrupt each other, argue, and to be annoyed with each other's natural rhythms and manners is very high. http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry/sun_mars.html


to read the full article click on link

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The conjunction of Mars and Saturn in synastry is best understood when you consider the individual energies of these two planets. The qualities of the sign that Saturn occupies points to expressions that do not come naturally to Saturn. Saturn feels awkward or inhibited expressing the energies of the sign, and often will try to compensate by trying to exercise control over these characteristics in his/her personality. In contrast, the characteristics of the sign that Mars occupies are expressed fully, naturally, and with enthusiasm! You can only imagine what this means in a relationship. If both individuals are considerate of each other, and are growth-oriented, the relationship can be a great learning experience. For example, if the conjunction occurs in Aries, the Mars individual will take action, and express his/her me-first tendency freely and unabashedly. Aries, quite simply, comes naturally to Mars! Saturn, on the other hand, feels unnatural expressing these traits. Perhaps he/she feels guilty when taking the lead. Where Mars rushes right in, Saturn carefully appraises the situation before he goes into it, if he doesn't withdraw from it altogether. Mars can have much to learn from Saturn—Mars can learn how to think a little before acting, and tone down his/her aggressiveness and impatience. As well, Saturn has much to learn from Mars. Saturn may secretly long to be just like Mars, going after what it wants without fear of failure.

On the other hand, if Mars is not sensitive to Saturn's feelings of inadequacy, he/she may simply assert independence, tease Saturn for being inept or withdrawn, and run roughshod over Saturn's feelings. Similarly, if Saturn doesn't want to face up to his own feelings of inadequacy, he/she may do everything in their power to bring Mars down, control Mars, and limit Mars' expression. http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry/mars_saturn_aspects.html



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SaggiMC
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posted March 16, 2012 05:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
your Saggi Asc is Quincuinx 150' to taurus Asc of this man..

Basic astrology forum, Why do Quincunx Signs have problems http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000699.html
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mars conj uranus is could be a stressful aspect

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Mars to Uranus. Excitement. This combination stimulates both partners to try new things. Never static for too long. Together they are not afraid to be different from others. Uranus rebels against the willful Mars. Angry outbursts. http://www.astrologyfiles.com/free-horoscope-matching/


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miss_denise
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posted March 16, 2012 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_denise     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SaggiMC:

apologies for delay in responding, unfortunately this forum doesn't send email alerts when you make posts, only to you IF you start one. This means that I have to go back manually to find threads where I made a post/comment....

well done for post the syn grid...

first thing that struck me was 5 Saturn contacts -- which is a lot and saturn acts as cement for good OR bad unfortunately..

there are lots of easy flowing aspects going on here, so will just focus on the challenges.

[QUOTE]
The square, opposition, and quincunx can be very challenging and tricky--and decidedly draining! The tendency to become highly annoyed with each other is highest with the square. The opposition tends to be the least problematic of these three aspects, and has the potential to be really quite invigorating. The quincunx tends to really nag at a couple over time, as they must make what seems to be constant adjustments to each other. The tendency to interrupt each other, argue, and to be annoyed with each other's natural rhythms and manners is very high. http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry/sun_mars.html



to read the full article click on link

quote:

The conjunction of Mars and Saturn in synastry is best understood when you consider the individual energies of these two planets. The qualities of the sign that Saturn occupies points to expressions that do not come naturally to Saturn. Saturn feels awkward or inhibited expressing the energies of the sign, and often will try to compensate by trying to exercise control over these characteristics in his/her personality. In contrast, the characteristics of the sign that Mars occupies are expressed fully, naturally, and with enthusiasm! You can only imagine what this means in a relationship. If both individuals are considerate of each other, and are growth-oriented, the relationship can be a great learning experience. For example, if the conjunction occurs in Aries, the Mars individual will take action, and express his/her me-first tendency freely and unabashedly. Aries, quite simply, comes naturally to Mars! Saturn, on the other hand, feels unnatural expressing these traits. Perhaps he/she feels guilty when taking the lead. Where Mars rushes right in, Saturn carefully appraises the situation before he goes into it, if he doesn't withdraw from it altogether. Mars can have much to learn from Saturn—Mars can learn how to think a little before acting, and tone down his/her aggressiveness and impatience. As well, Saturn has much to learn from Mars. Saturn may secretly long to be just like Mars, going after what it wants without fear of failure.

On the other hand, if Mars is not sensitive to Saturn's feelings of inadequacy, he/she may simply assert independence, tease Saturn for being inept or withdrawn, and run roughshod over Saturn's feelings. Similarly, if Saturn doesn't want to face up to his own feelings of inadequacy, he/she may do everything in their power to bring Mars down, control Mars, and limit Mars' expression. http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry/mars_saturn_aspects.html


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Thank you so much for your reply!

Wow, so does the Saturn aspects represent a Karmic connection as well or just kind of a binding? I do feel there is a reason for us meeting, but I'm not sure where it's all heading toward. I do want to continue to be his friend just not his lover.

He seems to have had to made the most adjustments to me in the past, because of my need for space and freedom. I think this has caused him some pain, as when I asked him for space he took it as a personal thing.
I explained otherwise but he didn't seem to understand or believe that.


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miss_denise
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posted March 16, 2012 11:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for miss_denise     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by SaggiMC:
your Saggi Asc is Quincuinx 150' to taurus Asc of this man..

Basic astrology forum, Why do Quincunx Signs have problems http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000699.html
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mars conj uranus is could be a stressful aspect
[QUOTE]
Mars to Uranus. Excitement. This combination stimulates both partners to try new things. Never static for too long. Together they are not afraid to be different from others. Uranus rebels against the willful Mars. Angry outbursts. http://www.astrologyfiles.com/free-horoscope-matching/


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Thank you for the additional links! I will read them all!

The information you provided in regards to the sagg/taurus Quincux is very true indeed.
I'm certainly not ready to settle down with anyone just yet. I don't feel it's time at all, when he is just so certain this is it.
He is honestly more social than I am and can't really understand my reclusive nature.
Also he did hint at wanting a homemaker type of woman for a partner, and I don't really fit that mold either(lol).

I can also see the Mars/Uranus quite well.
We do tend to become more bold/adventurous together than we are apart. Neither of us feels really secure with each other though.
We don't argue much, but when we do have a disagreement I can always feel the underlying tension in him brewing

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