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lyecry
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posted March 22, 2012 06:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, I'm on the fence with getting involved with this guy that I share a 12th house stellium with in our composite chart. Plus, there are a few other hard aspects. I just can't seem to get away from the guy. He's a nice hard working good guy (so he seems...lol). I wouldn't mind some input or shared experiences of those who have been in a similar situation/chart with a 12 house composite stellium. This seems to be very karmatic. How does one clean up such karma? Ick. Glad, I'm lighthearted about such things...lol

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posted March 22, 2012 07:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome to PR Lyecry

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posted March 22, 2012 01:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank u! I'm excited to be here!

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posted March 22, 2012 05:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

composite chart ONLY work when IN a relationship

Have you tried a free composite chart with explanations being 'interactive'
Composite charts
If you go to www.astro.com click on free horoscopes, go to Interactive horoscopes, go down to Astroclick partner, that will bring up a composite chart and when you put the mouse over a planet will bring up a pop up box with the interpretation......

But you do need both times of birth to be accurate though.. enjoy.

Composites describe the relationship, not either one of you, but what you came together to learn or to do and how the 'pair of you' function when together....

you 'should' reduce the orbs ratio on astro.com down to 40% as max orb in synastry and comp is 3'. Also please add transits which is easily seen once you have the chart just above to right is option 'with transits'
http://books.google.com/books?id=dUulSwQoEC4C&pg=PR16&dq=robert+hand+composites&ei=r8HRSsXNEJvmygSIsP3eCQ#v=onepage&q=&f=false

The Book ---Planets in Composite: Analyzing Human Relationships By Robert Hand-- is greatly recommended

“The composite doesn't seem to describe what either person feels about the other. In this way it is very different from synastry, which describes the chemistry between two people in terms of how they affect each other. The composite chart is like a child, a third entity which carries the genetic imprints of both parents but combines these imprints in an entirely new way and exists independently of either of them” http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm

“Composites have their own laws and energies, and these have nothing to do with whether we are "well matched" with someone. A composite in itself will not tell us about compatibility. That is what synastry is for. The composite won't reveal whether the relationship is "good" or "bad" in terms of the chemistry between two people. The composite says to us, "If you choose to enter this relationship, here is its meaning and pattern of destiny” http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_composit_e.htm
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/composite.html http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/composite.html

“For example, the composite Ascendant can indicate the circumstances surrounding the first meeting or the beginning of the relationship. It can also point to how a couple initiates things together (such as projects). Similarly, the end of a relationship can be depicted by the composite twelfth house. Once a relationship kicks in (moves beyond the initial stages), the composite Sun becomes more apparent. If a commitment to each other happens, the seventh and eighth houses come more clearly into focus. As such, the conditions surrounding the planets and houses in the composite chart can show us different stages of development of the relationship over time.” http://www.cafeastrology.com/compositechart.html
click on link to read full article
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/composite.html http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/composite.html

“Composite charts that has ascendant and midheaven agree in element will most closely describe the type of the relationship your partnership has formed. For instance a relationship that has Taurus on the Ascendant and Capricorn on the Midheaven will closely describe a “traditional” relationship. Those charts that do not agree will keep the element of the ascendant as the primary relationship style while incorporating the element of the Midheaven into the relationship. An analysis of the individual’s chart against the composite chart will show how his or her chart meshes with the composite chart and the style of the relationship” http://starrynightastrology.com/2009/08/02/relationship-astrology-making-love-last-part-1-your-relationship-style/

There is more information here delineating synastry, if not interested in research or learning astrology, please feel free to ignore and move on. I’m only here to help --

Basic astrology forum, How to approach Synastry http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum12/private-jjLYZw161/HTML/000667.html
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Please remember to reduce the orb ratio down to 40% (ONLY for synastry bi wheel) as the max orb between planets is 3'. Composite should be 85% orbs. Please also include, vertex, juno and POF (part of fortune).

when you get this SYNASTRY chart, please also post the *pdf file*, above left of chart look for *view additional tables (PDF)* This will bring up 2pages. Scroll down to last page for the *ASPECT GRID* THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT AS IT SEEMS TO SHOW MORE ASPECTS THAN IS VISIBLE ON THE BI WHEEL…

problem is uploading to photobucket (or imageshack) you have to change this from Abode format into a picture/jpeg format. This is done by getting the relevant page/grid in front of you on screen then, the press ‘prtsc sysrq’ - top row inbetween pause break and F12. This has been copied to clipboard.

Paste into Paint or some other photo software. Crop the picture and save to hard drive, then upload to photobucket, select chart, press IMG and past link into thread.... all done

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posted March 22, 2012 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Welcome!

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lyecry
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posted March 22, 2012 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank u all for welcoming me warmly. And sharing your insight.

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birdy
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posted March 22, 2012 07:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for birdy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Theres a spiritual connection, emotional connection in your composite but DECEPTION in capital letters is strongly shown in this chart, especially regarding emotions. One might feel stronger than the other. Unrequited love...I sense that when I look it. Theres a lot of optimistic, happy times possible together. Sort of like looking deeper into yourselves than you normally do with other people. It can be very very unnerving for people especially if theyre not so spiritually inclined especially men. You are more critical of this association, suspicious even, he's more optimistic, and wants to jump right in most likely. Unless your natals are strongly 12th house theme, Pisces DSC, neptune 7th, I dont know how this could work for the long term. Theres a reason why this relationship is secret, either because one is attached to another, or one is never completely ready to commit and pulling the wool over their eyes about how they really feel about it. Theres a lot of affection, happiness here, but just have to be wary of deception either internally or externally.

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posted March 22, 2012 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay, so you have a sun-jupiter-venus-moon stellium but the moon makes no aspects and there are no other important aspects other than the stellium conjunctions.

The synastry must have the pluto because this chart doesnt. In fact there arent even any especially nice aspects or even any negative aspects really, so I'm guessing the synastry must be on fire. I dont see deception here or unrequited love at all. I'm not sure what birdy noticed there that I'm not seeing...

It's a very nice composite, stelliums in composite are awesome indications of compatibility, i just wouldnt deem this a hot and heavy relationship because there is no pluto and not really any aspects going on. So we would have to see what the synastry is like.

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posted March 22, 2012 08:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for RunAroundScreaming     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, wait a minute, Pluto is semisquare the sun and the moon. Oh, that's where the hot and heaviness is coming from lol. Still though, you need other nice pluto and neptune aspects to take the "fear" you feel away. I think the fear you have is that you dont feel he is the one, so therefore you're insecure about how he also feels about you.

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lyecry
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posted March 23, 2012 01:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank u guys for all of your time and insight. Most of you have been on point with your observations. He's not really my type but he has worn me down chased me for a year and a half. I feel like I'm waiting on someone. Trusting him is an issue he's a charmer with his Libra moon. He has a lot of female friends. But then again I can be just as charming with my Libra ascendant. On top of that I have a 12th house pluto. As much fire as u see in my chart I'm quite a reserved chick shy even until comfortable. *shrugs*

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posted March 23, 2012 09:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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"But then again I can be just as charming with my Libra ascendant. On top of that I have a 12th house pluto. As much fire as u see in my chart I'm quite a reserved chick shy even until comfortable. *shrugs*"

I know your TOB seems accurate but Libra Asc is not reserved or shy, it sounds more like early scorpio Asc? have you read both descriptions?

I would also disregard the mars square pluto at 10' as being too wide. I tend to reduce the orb ratio down to 85% on astro to bring it more in line with mainstream views...

What happened aged 11 when solar arc pluto conj Asc? did you relocate, anyone die, disappear perhaps?

there threads about juno, vertex, chiron and Part of Fortune (POF) in Basic forum if you want some research..

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posted March 23, 2012 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you have saturn and pluto are singletons ie: only planet in earth and air element but a massive stellium in earth houses to help compensate. there is only one planet saturn in air house, so this is more noticeable for 'sweeping statement syndrome' with not enough thought behind speech? do you notice this within yourself?

Again there is a thread in Basic forum covering singetons..

I notice your prog mercury AND venus are currently conj POF in 12th house.

Natally you have an unaspected mars, BUT by progression sun and mars are *exactly* sextile, which is excelent news for actions flowing easily with sun pride ego, self worth, values and core beliefs...

prog moon at 8'libra is currently exactly sextile mercury, so emotions, intuitions flow more easily with communications. Only problems moon by progression only last max 3months...

Your natal pluto is apex for talent triangle in 12th. again if you want research on this go to basic forum..

T saturn is currently conj Asc, so not a great time for starting new projects as your energy levels may well drop and perhaps need more rest, low vitality.

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Saturn Transiting the First House


Saturn transiting the first house begins with a Saturn conjunction to the Ascendant, a transit of personal significance. The first house is a fire house, a house that rules our personal identity. We concern ourselves with how we come across to others on a personal level with Saturn here. Our physical body becomes a focus as well. Depending on the age of the native, it may be a time when we feel our age, or it is a time when we see our bodies quite clearly. This is an excellent time for beginning health regimens, diets, and the like, simply because it is a time when we look in the mirror and see ourselves clearly—not what we want to see. Our outlook on life changes to a more serious, responsible tone. In the beginning stages of the transit, you may feel frustrated with yourself, let down, and lacking in self-confidence. You might reach out to others in an attempt to validate yourself, looking for ways to boost your confidence. When these attempts fail, you may feel temporarily let down and discouraged. Rest assured that Saturn will re-work these feelings, with your help of course, until you reach a point (as Saturn moves through the house) where you have a stronger sense of self. This transit acts to transform your self-confidence in such a way that you question the source of your confidence to date, and discover a more solid base for pulling up inner strength. Saturn here acts to rip away the superficial. Illusions about the self, the body, and personal abilities will no longer be tolerated. The end result is a newfound identity and a realistic understanding of the self. In terms of career and projects, outward signs of progress may not be as forthcoming, yet the work that you do during this transit will lay a foundation for future success and progress! For example, some years ago, a client began a hobby/project during a Saturn transit to her first house, something that took up a lot of her time and energy and that yielded nothing in terms of immediate financial gain—until later! In fact, this "hobby" turned into her career in the years to follow.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/saturntransitinghouses.html


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posted March 23, 2012 10:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
still on your chart, T Uranus is exactly trine to MC and moon. If you are not aware you can get a free six month transit forecast on astro.com under short report..

this is excellent for bringing new innovative ideas to work, co-workers and integrating into career and social situations. Great for electronis, computers and technology

Now ruler of 7th aries/mars and mars being unaspected isn't great as it may go to extremes of action with total inactions. It could also suggest you may be attracted to foreigners, meet whilst travelling, or studying in higher educations. The link here is for common ground with life philosophies...

maybe the *lesson* here is learning about *appropriate actions*

Saturn conj Neptune http://astrologyforthesoul.com/billstreett/satnepgestalt.html http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_CONJUNCTION_OR_PARALLEL_TO_SATU RN

Saturn conj/square/opposite neptune can show a fear of the unknown..although these are generational planets, posited in bottom left quadrant makes them felt internally...It can also be linked to depression when triggered and/or having your childhood dreams crushed by father, males and/or authority figures.

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posted March 23, 2012 10:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
looking at your parallels in declinations

venus/jupiter/chiron are paraellel, which acts like a conjunction. I know you have venus/jupiter and sun together in your stellium but bringing chiron into the picture as either more wounds and opportunities for healing via romance. do you find you go OTT in romance? thing with leo they can be stubborn, great organisers but like to be centre of attention and can be drama queens if this doesn't happen.

what I was looking for was something that would help out your unaspected mars, but there wasn't any unfortunately...

T Jupiter is fast approaching natal chiron and this may well be an opportunity for healing with one to one relationships.

so when I couldn't find anything in parallels I then went to midpoints. Your sun/moon midpoint is 16'52" in fixed elements. and here we see natal uranus at 17'12" and we allow an orb of 1'30"

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Sun-Moon-Uranus (6)

You enjoy the company of people who, like yourself, are creative, humorous, inventive, or even slightly eccentric. You succeed in areas that give you lots of freedom and where you can express your creativity. Avoid getting involved in organizations or groups that are too conservative, stuffy, or unresponsive to new ways of thinking and new ways of doing things.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrologytopics/midpointspictures2.html

this would add Uranus/aquarius qualities to your sun/moon expressions. so do you need a lot of freedom and independence within relationships? do you find they start and end suddenly? I would add this to my list of divorce aspects. I have Uranus conj sun/moon also being my chart ruler and both square to luminaries..

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posted March 23, 2012 10:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SaggiMC     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I also had a quick look at the next most important midpoint ie: Asc/MC this is 15'54" Virgo/mutable. Here we see your natal saturn at 14'39".

So this is bit like having saturn conj Asc and MC, which may well be a lack of confidence, espec in teenage years? http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrologytopics/midpointspictures2.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrologytopics/midpointpictures.html

"MC/AS=SA To have professional difficulties. To separate from others."

T Jupiter going through your 7th house would be a good time to get into a relationship, although I am not suggesting *this man* in particular


I would also wondering if like Ami Ann a moderator here, that you 'wear your heart on your sleeve?' with emotions? have lots of restlessness, changes in work/career area?

can you please post the synastry bi wheel?
as explained in my first post?

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lyecry
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posted March 23, 2012 11:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Again thank u all for your time and input it is really appreciated.

Do I wear my heart on my sleeve? Yes, when I was younger I sure did. Over the years I've been really hurt by people who mocked my kindness (I know right!) and people who have taken advantage of me. Now I have a tendency to save that bloody heart sleeve for people who are really deserving of my time.

What happened at age 11? Well trauma actually happened at age 10-11. Let's see I had a really bad case of chicken pox. And my Leo sun virgo rising sag moon mother was kind of nitpicky about my recovery and appearance. Her once beautiful child wasn't as beautiful. Plus, around that age I learned a big lesson about "friends" mostly misunderstood by the kids at the new school didn't take well to my type of kindness (heart on sleeve). I acted like a kid my age, they acted "grown". Basically an outcast got suspended from school. Couldn't please my mother. I learned how to be alone and be strong within myself. I guess my Uranus in 1st house and Saturn in 11th house comes into play with this. I still don't fit in, and I don't have any close friends really. I mean I have a few friends that I'm cool with. But I'll go MIA with them. I'm not a clingy friend out fear that I'll get hurt. Plus, I like my space to be in my own world.

I have a fear of real relationships. It seems really restrictive. I just don't want to make the wrong choice. My mother always told me growing up that I would end up in an abusive relationship and taken advantage of. I just don't want to prove her right.

I'll figure out the bi synastry wheel and post it.

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lyecry
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posted March 23, 2012 12:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lyecry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok here's the bi wheel.

Ok answers to points that were made:
"Sweeping statement syndrome"?- I wouldn't be that dramatic with it...lol When I was younger I had a knack with coming up with phrases. As in Oprah "a-ha" moments type of statements. I really try to be rational with those. I try to think analyze, consider all scenarios, and be fair. I'm really big on fairness.

Career: Yup, I hate my job. I'm in a sense wasted talent. I have a marketing degree but I currently work at wal-mart. My creative talents I used to give away for free like designing flyers and sites for people random marketing ideas. I used to feel guilty for charging people for my services.If it became 'work" I would hate it. That's why I stopped doing it for a minute on top of people taking advantage of my free goods. Working a 9 to 5 in a stuffy office with stuffy people would kill me. I need freedom to walk around, look out of windows, smile at strangers. I hate working in retail because I'm very protective of myself when it comes to strangers. But I like meeting KIND strangers. It just make my day know that there are kind people in the world. The people that I work with are colorful and funny. And I'm free to be colorful and funny with them. Many of the people I work with come from some major hurtful circumstances. I just try to give love to people who need it that are WORTH my time and try to be non judgemental. I love hearing stories of people's lives and find it an honor when they open up to me.

My whole life my mother always told me that I was dowdy and not attractive to her standards. Which doesn't make sense because I have been told otherwise by random people. Many people tell me that I'm unique and sylish.I don't have a problem with attracting the opposite sex. I can take good pictures. But I'm always reminded about how I need to "have more pride" in myself.As a matter of a fact she told me that last night...smh and lol

My mother has always been overbearing when it came to my affairs. Friends, school, job. I hated playing 20 questions with her. I know she does it because she cares on top of being insecure and paranoid (she believes everything on the news. Plus, biblical stuff about the rapture "these are end times") At age 23 I got to a point where I just got tired of fighting her and just came into agreement with her and just handed over my life to her. I stopped talking to the one friend I had and just did whatever my mother said. Kept a lot of my personal issues from her. I still feel like I have a secret life away from her...I practice hoodoo and she doesn't really know. I was called into it. It is something beyond me.

Once I have sex with someone and it becomes really tight like a real relationship I want to run. I don't want to stay on the relationship and I'll get bored (unless the sex is addictively good). I've done reach the pinnacle with that person. It is like no one can meet my idealistic ideals. I've always said that I would get married in the afterlife cause I just need more that what a human man could offer.

I desire a secure relationship but I'm fearful of it at the same time.

I try to be analytical(to the point of obsession) and lighthearted about these things...

I hate things being so serious in a sense. I just want everybody to feel better and be happy. I always say that I'm part of the keep the peace police...lol

So thank u for your time and input therapist lindaland astrologers...lol (I really mean that)

ok here's the wheel...

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