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appleberry
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posted April 10, 2012 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 11, 2012 03:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tofu addict     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello appleberry


Mars is indeed retro, but would go direct within 7 days on the day that you asked the question, so than the retro is lessened and there is action possible, but it would explain your reluctancy as he is your significator.
I first looked at the first and seventh house, the only aspect I could find was the trine between the Moon and the Sun, for a man you take the Sun always as a co-significator,in relationship questions, so this might have swung it. The sun is in exaltation and that might have helped as well.
That’s all I could come up with what made this chart turning out as it did.
I also noted that the nodal degree is on the same degree as Venus, his main significator, and a co-significator for you, as a woman you always takeVenus in relation ships questions. The position of the Nodal degree on venus would indicate crisis, and upheaval.
The moon is after an opposition with Venus, and your Moon is in your house, his venus is in his house. …That could be difficult in relation to seeing the other point of view.

After all this, it could be that the applying trine between sun and moon did the job, it is a wide orb, but they will connect.

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posted April 12, 2012 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 13, 2012 01:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tofu addict     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, you can, there can be sometimes more other influences when the orb is wide, like another planet interfering with an aspect, frankly, i take the orbs in horary very wide, eventually they will connect, you can look at the planets that are making aspects with the significators before the Moon and sun aspect are coming to fruit, that can tell about the process. SOmetimes good, sometimes bad.
Some teachings keep a very strict orb rule,i suppose it depends what works for you while practising the charts, it is good to keep the charts where the orbs are wider so you can keep track for yourself.

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posted April 13, 2012 03:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There's a stricture against reading the chart (Moon VOC). This means the chart isn't radical and can't be counted on to give an accurate reading. It doesn't mean action won't happen, just that it can't accurately be read.

You being hesitant to respond is shown with the Mixed reception: You receive him in detriment.

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posted April 13, 2012 04:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tofu addict     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 13, 2012 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tofu addict     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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There's a stricture against reading the chart (Moon VOC). This means the chart isn't radical and can't be counted on to give an accurate reading. It doesn't mean action won't happen, just that it can't accurately be read.

You being hesitant to respond is shown with the Mixed reception: You receive him in detriment.


I don't know why you think the Moon is void of course, far from it, it has a lot of aspect to make before it leaves the sign

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posted April 13, 2012 04:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I don't know why you think the Moon is void of course, far from it, it has a lot of aspect to make before it leaves the sign



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posted April 13, 2012 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tonia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here the moon isn't voc :/ voc is between 27 degrees of one sign and 3 degrees into the next sign.

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posted April 13, 2012 08:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's not true. VOC is when the moon makes no applying major aspects.

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posted April 14, 2012 01:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tofu addict     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tofu addict:
[b] I don't know why you think the Moon is void of course, far from it, it has a lot of aspect to make before it leaves the sign



Where??[/B][/QUOTE]

Before it leaves the sign the Moon makes a trine on the Sun, a square on Mercurius, and a sextile on Saturn. Also the Moon is in Sagitarius...
http://www.thespiritconnect.com/void-of-course-moon/

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posted April 14, 2012 07:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diana     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok. That's not traditional horary, except for moon in sag. The more I do horary, the more I think traditional is more accurate. That said, horary is far from my specialty. But I've noticed if the chart is radical I get an accurate answer and if it's not traditionally radical, I don't.

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posted April 15, 2012 02:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tofu addict     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can look at the posted chart traditionally, b.e from Bonatti, then the orb for the sun is 15 degree and the moon is 12 degrees, you add them up, that makes 27, you half it, that is 13.5, so when the sun and the moon, are within that orb, applying of course, the connection between the sun and moon is valid, which is in this chart , Lilly gives 17 degrees for the sun and 12.5 for the moon, which is an even better rate, half it and you get nearly 15 degrees. So still no void of course in my view regardless what system you use.

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posted April 15, 2012 03:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Thank you all for the help! It's all good

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posted April 15, 2012 03:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 15, 2012 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tofu addict     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
They are both very workable, i use a mixture, but leaning towards modern.
Everything evolves, some things in traditional are very rigid, which would have served the times they were in, b.e. the first and the last degree rule. I posted a link in relation to that a while ago and one of the reasons that this rule was there and adhered to was that people had no access to punctual times and clocks as we do now, so they needed to be more careful and changing from sign to sign is huge in horary, it gives completely different readings, the same might apply for orb use.
Nowadays we nearly all know to the second what time it is, so that rule is in this regards maybe not that important anymore.
Best way is to study both methods, and see where you get the best results with.

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posted April 15, 2012 03:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for appleberry     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 17, 2012 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tofu addict     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not that i know off, the moon in first might indicate that you are connected to your self, as it is normally the co-indicator of yourself, so that might help in the dealing of the matter, but it all depends on how the rest of the chart behaves and the aspects, the North node often has a warning attached, things will be put to the test, and that carries over to planets in the same degree that have to do with your question, regardless where they are in the chart. Can work favourable, first a shock, and then through that a new path appears,

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